Re: [OSM-talk-be] Support OSM in public administration (economy)

2010-03-11 Thread Ivo van den Maagdenberg
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:

> Unfortunately, I have no experience with the layers that could be used
> (some good examples, for someone who likes to ski, cycle or sail like
> Jean are http://openpistemap.org/ et )http://www.opencyclemap.org/ and
> http://www.openseamap.org/)
>
> I suppose some examples of the use of layers and how to use them can
> be found at
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenLayers ( who has used them ?)
>
Taking apart the sites that you mention as examples from the html and 
javascript perspective is not too hard. It is a good idea to suggest 
looking at http://tile.openstreetmap.nl (view source with CTRL-U in 
firefox) and by extension http://openfietskaart.nl/index.html. There are 
people in the Netherlands that host this server and can be reached on the 
talk-nl mailinglist and through the IRC #osm-nl for technical osm related 
things. And please have them post here too of course :)

When these people want to start rendering their own layers on top of 
openstreetmap data as a first attempt, they must look into a combination 
of mapnik + mod_tile + apache http server. mapnik is able to read data 
from shape files, postgres/postgis database, gdal, ogr and some more data 
sources.

Kind regards,
Ivom

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] New project

2010-03-11 Thread Ben Laenen
Ben Abelshausen wrote:
> - How is the map evolving (specifically in the area of flanders). Are there
> lots of mappers? How accurate are the maps already?

Depends of course. Some cities like Antwerp are almost complete, but if you 
look to neighbouring municipalities it's not difficult to find missing 
streets. And then there are areas where coverage is very basic. It all depends 
on where the mappers are of course, and since cities have more inhabitants, 
chances of finding them there are bigger...

Putting a number on the mappers is very difficult. 

 
> - Is it usefull to upload just the gps traces and can we then count on the
> OSM-community to name the streets etc...?

Do you have the street names yourself when you make the traces available? If 
not, it'll probably sit in the database until a mapper visits the place 
himself, and if those places are remote, it can take a long time.

If you do have the street names something may have to be set up which would 
just allow mappers to go through the database and add the data to OSM in a 
more systematic way.


> - Is it ok to just start using the data? Almost all software will be custom
> developed.

Yes sure, that's why this project is there: make map data available that 
anyone can use without (almost) any strings attached.

Greetings
Ben

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] New project

2010-03-11 Thread wannes
2010/3/11 Ben Abelshausen 

> Hi all,
>
> I may have the opportunity to contribute to OSM in a pretty extensive way
> but i'm not sure if it is doable or usefull.
>
> We are a delivery company and we have distribution rounds but they are
> stricly abstract; no mapping is involved, just lists of streets. We want to
> import these round into a mapping system to calculate possible times,
> distances, related costs, etc...We would do this by physically giving the
> deliverers a gps-tracing device and importing these traces into the system.
> Once for each round. We would redo this when new streets are needed that are
> not on the map.
>
> Because we are a small company we will not be able to buy maps so OSM is
> the best option for us. We want to contribute by uploading our gps traces.
>
> Now i have a few questions is this regard:
>
> - How is the map evolving (specifically in the area of flanders). Are there
> lots of mappers? How accurate are the maps already?
>

I think the map is 100% accurate, but not 100% complete. The bits and pieces
that are there are correct, but not all bits and pieces are on the map yet.

Concering Antwerp: > 90% is done i think.


>
> - Is it usefull to upload just the gps traces and can we then count on the
> OSM-community to name the streets etc...?


Yes please.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] New project

2010-03-11 Thread Andre Engels
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Ben Abelshausen
 wrote:

> - How is the map evolving (specifically in the area of flanders). Are there
> lots of mappers? How accurate are the maps already?

I'm not very knowledgeable, being from the Netherlands myself, but I
would say: variable. Some cities and villages have been mapped in
exquisite detail (for example, if a street in Antwerpen is not on OSM,
it must be because it doesn't exist), others leave quite a lot to be
wished for.

> - Is it usefull to upload just the gps traces and can we then count on the
> OSM-community to name the streets etc...? We have few people and even less
> time to start naming all the streets. Are there perhaps people that want to
> do this or will we have to do this mostly ourselves? The data would be
> gradually available over a period of about six months.

As they say, "baat het niet, dan schaadt het niet". They might just
sit and wait on the server, but they might also be picked up by
someone.

> - Is there a standard way of adding housenumbers (or ranges of) to the map?

Yes, there's a tag "addr:housenumber" that can be put on a point. For
ranges, one can put the range on the point, or use the interpolation
from the so-called Karlsruher schema, see
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema

> - Is it ok to just start using the data? Almost all software will be custom
> developed.

Definitely! It's nice to have a map to look at, but so much better to
have a map that people actually use!


-- 
André Engels, andreeng...@gmail.com

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[OSM-talk-be] New project

2010-03-11 Thread Ben Abelshausen
Hi all,

I may have the opportunity to contribute to OSM in a pretty extensive way
but i'm not sure if it is doable or usefull.

We are a delivery company and we have distribution rounds but they are
stricly abstract; no mapping is involved, just lists of streets. We want to
import these round into a mapping system to calculate possible times,
distances, related costs, etc...We would do this by physically giving the
deliverers a gps-tracing device and importing these traces into the system.
Once for each round. We would redo this when new streets are needed that are
not on the map.

Because we are a small company we will not be able to buy maps so OSM is the
best option for us. We want to contribute by uploading our gps traces.

Now i have a few questions is this regard:

- How is the map evolving (specifically in the area of flanders). Are there
lots of mappers? How accurate are the maps already?

- Is it usefull to upload just the gps traces and can we then count on the
OSM-community to name the streets etc...? We have few people and even less
time to start naming all the streets. Are there perhaps people that want to
do this or will we have to do this mostly ourselves? The data would be
gradually available over a period of about six months.

- Is there a standard way of adding housenumbers (or ranges of) to the map?

- Is it ok to just start using the data? Almost all software will be custom
developed.

Part of our descision to go for OSM depends on the community that exists
already. If this project succeeds we would be adding over 4 streets to
the map (and possibly much more) so it's at least worth considering! This
project is just starting so any suggestions, remarks,... are more than
welcome!

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen
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