Re: [OSM-ja] Lighthouses and nautical lights FIXME
灯台ですね？ 海の方には、重要ですね。日本は、うみに囲まれているだけ有り、 沢山の港と灯台やソレに類する設備が有りますね。 ご興味の有る方、ぜひ名乗り出ていただいて、Markusさんと よくしていけるといいですね。 是非、海沿いに住んでいる方、地元のチェックを。 On 2012年12月06日 22:51, Markus wrote: In Japan there are a lot of ports with a lot of lighthouses and other nautical lights. Please can you help, to move them to the right place? Here you can see the not yet exact placed lights: http://seamark.bplaced.net/lights/?zoom=6lat=34.54997lon=138.37573layers=TBTT Here you find a HoTo: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:seamark:fixme どなたか、翻訳されると、協力者が増えますね！ Simple move the light to the right place :-) If you need help: ask a sailor... 灯台の場所を、正しいところに移動するだけの、簡単なお仕事です。 良い所っと... :-) #お粗末 三浦 ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
Re: [OSM-ja] 1/13にOSMワークショップ名古屋 やります
ikiyaです。 私もバス狙いですが、やはり連休で混むせいか 良いバス？（楽ちんタイプ）は予約が詰まってきてる感があります。 予約はお早めに。 --- On Thu, 2012/12/13, Hiroshi Miura(@osmf) miur...@osmf.jp wrote: 三浦＠OSMFJです。 On 2012年12月10日 13:25, Tomomichi Hayakawa wrote: 1/13にOSMワークショップ名古屋#5 を開催いたします。 ・更に、今回は、当日、OSMFJ総会を行う予定でいますので、 OSMFJの方も多く参加されると思います。 貴重なイベントになりますので、ぜひご参加ください。 http://atnd.org/events/34912 私も、今回、名古屋に高速バスで移動して１３日に参加します。 是非、みなさんとお会いしたいと思います。 遠距離から参加される方へ １/12の名古屋市内の宿泊が大変混み合っているようです。 移動手段として、ぷらっとこだまエコノミープラン とかいう企画商品が、 廉価なようですね。 --- 【OpenStreetMap ワークショップ in 名古屋 #5】 OpenStreetMap東海のワークショップを開催いたします。 OpenStreetMapに興味のある方でしたら、誰でも参加可能です。みなさんのご参加をお待ちしております。 尚、当日は、OSMFJな方々も参加される予定ですので、コアな深いお話も聞けるかもしれませんよ。（当日のお楽しみで） 「コミュニティ・セッション」「アカデミック・セッション」での発表者を募集しています。 発表いただける方は、コメント欄へ「発表内容」「発表希望時間」をご記入ください。 OSMなお話、Geoなお話、オープンデータなお話、なんでも大歓迎です。 コミュニティ・セッション OpenStreetMapコミュニティの方のお話など、募集しています！ アカデミック・セッション 教育機関の方々のOSMの活用事例や研究紹介など、募集しています！ ワークショップ終了後、簡単な懇親会を予定しております。 参加をご希望の方は、コメント欄へ「懇親会参加希望」とご記入ください。 日時： 1月13日（日）13:00 - 16:30 場所： 名古屋工業大学 19号館 202教室 （名古屋市昭和区御器所） 参加： 無料 OpenStreetMap に興味のある方であれば、どなたでもOK 幹事： 早川知道 ( @Tom_G3X ) OpenStreetMap Foundation Japan OpenStreetMap 東海 ワークショップ概要 コミュニティ・セッション OpenStreetMapコミュニティの方のお話など、募集しています！ アカデミック・セッション 教育機関の方々のOSMの活用事例や研究紹介など、募集しています！ その他 Wi-Fi環境は、こちらで準備しております。 ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
Re: [OSM-ja] 1/13にOSMワークショップ名古屋 やります
早川です。 遠方の方、ご足労をお掛けいたしますが、 1/13（日）の午前中という事で、進めたいと思います。 【OSMFJ 総会】 ・日時： 1月13日(日) 10:00〜12:00 ・場所： 名古屋工業大学１９号館２０２教室 尚、当日の早朝、名古屋に到着する方も多そうですので、 私の研究室で、休憩とか可能な様に、調整してみます。 （数人であれば可能ですので） 告知とか、どうすれば良かったでしょうか？ 昨年、どうしましたでしょうか？ 2012年12月13日 11:10 ikiya insidekiwi...@yahoo.co.jp: ikiyaです。 私もバス狙いですが、やはり連休で混むせいか 良いバス？（楽ちんタイプ）は予約が詰まってきてる感があります。 予約はお早めに。 --- On Thu, 2012/12/13, Hiroshi Miura(@osmf) miur...@osmf.jp wrote: 三浦＠OSMFJです。 On 2012年12月10日 13:25, Tomomichi Hayakawa wrote: 1/13にOSMワークショップ名古屋#5 を開催いたします。 ・更に、今回は、当日、OSMFJ総会を行う予定でいますので、 OSMFJの方も多く参加されると思います。 貴重なイベントになりますので、ぜひご参加ください。 http://atnd.org/events/34912 私も、今回、名古屋に高速バスで移動して１３日に参加します。 是非、みなさんとお会いしたいと思います。 遠距離から参加される方へ １/12の名古屋市内の宿泊が大変混み合っているようです。 移動手段として、ぷらっとこだまエコノミープラン とかいう企画商品が、 廉価なようですね。 --- 【OpenStreetMap ワークショップ in 名古屋 #5】 OpenStreetMap東海のワークショップを開催いたします。 OpenStreetMapに興味のある方でしたら、誰でも参加可能です。みなさんのご参加をお待ちしております。 尚、当日は、OSMFJな方々も参加される予定ですので、コアな深いお話も聞けるかもしれませんよ。（当日のお楽しみで） 「コミュニティ・セッション」「アカデミック・セッション」での発表者を募集しています。 発表いただける方は、コメント欄へ「発表内容」「発表希望時間」をご記入ください。 OSMなお話、Geoなお話、オープンデータなお話、なんでも大歓迎です。 コミュニティ・セッション OpenStreetMapコミュニティの方のお話など、募集しています！ アカデミック・セッション 教育機関の方々のOSMの活用事例や研究紹介など、募集しています！ ワークショップ終了後、簡単な懇親会を予定しております。 参加をご希望の方は、コメント欄へ「懇親会参加希望」とご記入ください。 日時： 1月13日（日）13:00 - 16:30 場所： 名古屋工業大学 19号館 202教室 （名古屋市昭和区御器所） 参加： 無料 OpenStreetMap に興味のある方であれば、どなたでもOK 幹事： 早川知道 ( @Tom_G3X ) OpenStreetMap Foundation Japan OpenStreetMap 東海 ワークショップ概要 コミュニティ・セッション OpenStreetMapコミュニティの方のお話など、募集しています！ アカデミック・セッション 教育機関の方々のOSMの活用事例や研究紹介など、募集しています！ その他 Wi-Fi環境は、こちらで準備しております。 ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 早川知道 (Tomomichi Hayakawa) tom.hayak...@gmail.com うえこみ春日井小牧 - http://www.kasugai-komaki.jp/ Malaika System - http://malaika-system.com/ blog - close to you - http://malaika.air-nifty.com/ OSM Tokai - http://groups.google.com/group/OSM-Tokai XOOPS Cube TOKAI - http://xc-tokai.net/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
Re: [OSM-ja] 1/13にOSMワークショップ名古屋 やります
ごめんなさい、レス間違えました。 OSMワークショップ名古屋#5 の話でしたね。 勘違いしていました。 先のメールは無視してください。 2012年12月13日 11:35 Tomomichi Hayakawa tom.hayak...@gmail.com: 早川です。 遠方の方、ご足労をお掛けいたしますが、 1/13（日）の午前中という事で、進めたいと思います。 【OSMFJ 総会】 ・日時： 1月13日(日) 10:00〜12:00 ・場所： 名古屋工業大学１９号館２０２教室 尚、当日の早朝、名古屋に到着する方も多そうですので、 私の研究室で、休憩とか可能な様に、調整してみます。 （数人であれば可能ですので） 告知とか、どうすれば良かったでしょうか？ 昨年、どうしましたでしょうか？ 2012年12月13日 11:10 ikiya insidekiwi...@yahoo.co.jp: ikiyaです。 私もバス狙いですが、やはり連休で混むせいか 良いバス？（楽ちんタイプ）は予約が詰まってきてる感があります。 予約はお早めに。 --- On Thu, 2012/12/13, Hiroshi Miura(@osmf) miur...@osmf.jp wrote: 三浦＠OSMFJです。 On 2012年12月10日 13:25, Tomomichi Hayakawa wrote: 1/13にOSMワークショップ名古屋#5 を開催いたします。 ・更に、今回は、当日、OSMFJ総会を行う予定でいますので、 OSMFJの方も多く参加されると思います。 貴重なイベントになりますので、ぜひご参加ください。 http://atnd.org/events/34912 私も、今回、名古屋に高速バスで移動して１３日に参加します。 是非、みなさんとお会いしたいと思います。 遠距離から参加される方へ １/12の名古屋市内の宿泊が大変混み合っているようです。 移動手段として、ぷらっとこだまエコノミープラン とかいう企画商品が、 廉価なようですね。 --- 【OpenStreetMap ワークショップ in 名古屋 #5】 OpenStreetMap東海のワークショップを開催いたします。 OpenStreetMapに興味のある方でしたら、誰でも参加可能です。みなさんのご参加をお待ちしております。 尚、当日は、OSMFJな方々も参加される予定ですので、コアな深いお話も聞けるかもしれませんよ。（当日のお楽しみで） 「コミュニティ・セッション」「アカデミック・セッション」での発表者を募集しています。 発表いただける方は、コメント欄へ「発表内容」「発表希望時間」をご記入ください。 OSMなお話、Geoなお話、オープンデータなお話、なんでも大歓迎です。 コミュニティ・セッション OpenStreetMapコミュニティの方のお話など、募集しています！ アカデミック・セッション 教育機関の方々のOSMの活用事例や研究紹介など、募集しています！ ワークショップ終了後、簡単な懇親会を予定しております。 参加をご希望の方は、コメント欄へ「懇親会参加希望」とご記入ください。 日時： 1月13日（日）13:00 - 16:30 場所： 名古屋工業大学 19号館 202教室 （名古屋市昭和区御器所） 参加： 無料 OpenStreetMap に興味のある方であれば、どなたでもOK 幹事： 早川知道 ( @Tom_G3X ) OpenStreetMap Foundation Japan OpenStreetMap 東海 ワークショップ概要 コミュニティ・セッション OpenStreetMapコミュニティの方のお話など、募集しています！ アカデミック・セッション 教育機関の方々のOSMの活用事例や研究紹介など、募集しています！ その他 Wi-Fi環境は、こちらで準備しております。 ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 早川知道 (Tomomichi Hayakawa) tom.hayak...@gmail.com うえこみ春日井小牧 - http://www.kasugai-komaki.jp/ Malaika System - http://malaika-system.com/ blog - close to you - http://malaika.air-nifty.com/ OSM Tokai - http://groups.google.com/group/OSM-Tokai XOOPS Cube TOKAI - http://xc-tokai.net/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 早川知道 (Tomomichi Hayakawa) tom.hayak...@gmail.com うえこみ春日井小牧 - http://www.kasugai-komaki.jp/ Malaika System - http://malaika-system.com/ blog - close to you - http://malaika.air-nifty.com/ OSM Tokai - http://groups.google.com/group/OSM-Tokai XOOPS Cube TOKAI - http://xc-tokai.net/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
[OSM-ja] マッパー年頭に当たり マッピングの目標を宣言してみては。
ikiyaです。 毎年、年を越す頃、その年のGPSログは何本とったかなとか見返したりしています。 そこで新年を迎えるにあたって 来年はGPSログ何本、POIを何個登録するかとか建物をいくつ書くかとか目標を 宣言してマッピングするのもいいなと考えました。 個人個人のマッピングスタイル、マッピングの量、ペースはそれぞれ違うので 宣言した内容についての進捗率％を比較公開して楽しめればと思います。 達成率が悪くてもそれはそれで反省にもなりますし、自分がどのくらい 地図書きしているかその編集量を知るのも楽しいと思います。 パスカルさんのサイトや “How did you contribute to OpenStreetMap?” http://neis-one.org/2012/11/hdyc-update-201211/ OSMRankingのサイト http://osmranking.altogetherlost.com/ を使えば自分のマッピング状況のカテゴリ別集計数を知ることができます。 各個人の目標数は大小問わず、種類はお任せします。 もし目標宣言してもいいよという方、いましたらお知らせください。 OSMRankingのサイトを改造すれば公開サイトもできなことは無いような気がしますが そんなサイト作っていただけたら嬉しいのですが（他力本願） 以上、思ったアイデアをとりあえず書いてみました。___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
Re: [Talk-GB] Added road schemes announced in the Autumn Statement in OSM
Jason Cunningham wrote: (just noticed my work on the South Devon Link Road and surrounding area has been deleted, then the same info re-added by someone else! I've been cleansed from the history.) This is the more 'irritating' bit here. People spending a substantial amount of time doing work that someone else simply removes! I'll bang on again about secondary databases where the likes of these 'proposals' can be staged prior to their physical appearance, but the more annoying aspect of this moving forward is the simple scrapping of the current on the ground situation which IS perfectly valid information. Taking the A11 developments as an example, all of the current routing is nicely mapped, so displaying '2012' version of the map requires no 'extra' mapping. It would be nice to be able to roll back show the roads development over time, and there are people around who would contribute that material if a mechanism was available to fill in the gaps. It's the current lack of a mechanism to use/display current historic data that needs addressing? A slightly different example of this is looking at historic data in change sets. I'm probably spoilt with some of the comparison tools when looking at differences between versions of a file or changeset. But it would be nice to see a graphical 'diff' between version of object history in OSM ... -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Added road schemes announced in the Autumn Statement in OSM
Just spotted all the activity on this thread which is great to see. Personally I am reasonably neutral on what policy emerges from this conversation. I do agree that few schemes are really really certain until the diggers arrive. By way of example, I personally removed the Longdendale bypass ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longdendale_Bypass) from OSM a few years ago after the HA pulled out of the public inquiry when the inspector had rejected their traffic predictions for the seventh time! I do also agree that it is also far from certain that HS2 will be built whatever the administration is saying at present. I would therefore understand the view that nothing should be added as proposed until it is 99% certain that it will be constructed. By way of example it would be most remarkable if the A11 Fiveways scheme was not completed now that work has started. It would also be remarkable if Crossrail was not completed (but there is a bit more risk there). Some people however seem to believe that it is never appropriate to add content until construction has actually started for that bit of the infrastructure which seems a bit extreme. As people may know, I am very interested in understanding and modelling how our transport system is likely to develop and I if it is agreed that information about less certain schemes does not belong in OSM then we at ITO will devise a system to hold this information separately and allow people to contribute to it. We will combine it with OSM so that people can see what it might look like. You can see an example for the Norwich Northern Distributor Road (which is not in OSM btw) here: http://www.itoworld.com/map/245# Another approach would be to allow 'aspiration' as a tag prefix for roads that have considerable support but which do not yet meet the strict requirements for 'proposed'. Can I suggest that we work out what we believe are appropriate guidelines here and then get them discussion on an appropriate international list and also on the wiki? Regards, Peter Miller ITO World Ltd On 12 December 2012 09:37, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Jason Cunningham wrote: (just noticed my work on the South Devon Link Road and surrounding area has been deleted, then the same info re-added by someone else! I've been cleansed from the history.) This is the more 'irritating' bit here. People spending a substantial amount of time doing work that someone else simply removes! I'll bang on again about secondary databases where the likes of these 'proposals' can be staged prior to their physical appearance, but the more annoying aspect of this moving forward is the simple scrapping of the current on the ground situation which IS perfectly valid information. Taking the A11 developments as an example, all of the current routing is nicely mapped, so displaying '2012' version of the map requires no 'extra' mapping. It would be nice to be able to roll back show the roads development over time, and there are people around who would contribute that material if a mechanism was available to fill in the gaps. It's the current lack of a mechanism to use/display current historic data that needs addressing? A slightly different example of this is looking at historic data in change sets. I'm probably spoilt with some of the comparison tools when looking at differences between versions of a file or changeset. But it would be nice to see a graphical 'diff' between version of object history in OSM ... -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=**contacthttp://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.**ukhttp://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk __**_ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-gbhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN Bus Stops
Sounds good. Do however check out the code Thomas Wood wrote for a complete NaPTAN importer a long time back. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NaPTAN/Import Regards, Peter On 11 December 2012 21:55, Barry Cornelius barrycorneliu...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, 11 Dec 2012, Donald Noble wrote: I tried downloading the XML file from data.gov.uk: The XML file is mentioned at: http://data.gov.uk/dataset/**naptan http://data.gov.uk/dataset/naptan and it is available as a zip file at: http://www.dft.gov.uk/NaPTAN/**snapshot/NaPTANxml.ziphttp://www.dft.gov.uk/NaPTAN/snapshot/NaPTANxml.zip I think it gets regularly updated. but when I opened it the 500MB file was all on the second line, apart from the XML version tag on the first line. This meant I struggled to even look at the file to see if I could do anything useful with it. The file NaPTANxml.zip is about 31MB and, as you say, after unzipping it NaPTAN.xml is about 500MB. If you're using linux, you can format NaPTAN.xml using: xmllint --format NaPTAN.xml format.xml The file format.xml is about 750MB. I think xmllint is in the debian package called libxml2-utils. Therefore I was wondering if anyone has (or is able to produce) an extract for the area around Glasgow (or even for Scotland) preferably already in osm format that I could use. I haven't done that. However, in case it's of any use, I've put a zipped version of format.xml at: http://www.rowmaps.com/**temporary/format.ziphttp://www.rowmaps.com/temporary/format.zip It's about 36MB. I regard this directory as a temporary space and so I will delete this file later. Regard it as having the same licence as the original file: http://www.nationalarchives.**gov.uk/doc/open-government-**licence/http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/ To whet your appetite, here's an extract: StopPoint CreationDateTime=2003-08-**27T00:00:00 ModificationDateTime=2012-07-**02T14:24:40 Modification=new RevisionNumber=0 Status=active AtcoCode60901000/AtcoCode NaptanCode45238737/**NaptanCode Descriptor CommonNameBalmore Square/CommonName LandmarkBalmore Square/Landmark StreetBalmore Road/Street Indicatorbefore/Indicator /Descriptor Place NptgLocalityRefN0076070/**NptgLocalityRef TownGlasgow/Town LocalityCentre1/**LocalityCentre Location Translation GridTypeUKOS/GridType Easting258877/Easting Northing668372/Northing Longitude-4.2579340692/**Longitude Latitude55.8877326565/**Latitude /Translation /Location /Place StopClassification StopTypeBCT/StopType OnStreet Bus BusStopTypeMKD/BusStopType TimingStatusOTH/**TimingStatus MarkedPoint Bearing CompassPointNW/**CompassPoint /Bearing /MarkedPoint /Bus /OnStreet /StopClassification StopAreas StopAreaRef CreationDateTime=2012-11-**28T15:27:31 Modification=new Status=active609G04088/**StopAreaRef /StopAreas AdministrativeAreaRef127/**AdministrativeAreaRef PlusbusZones PlusbusZoneRef CreationDateTime=2010-10-**07T14:27:15 ModificationDateTime=2010-10-**07T14:27:15 Modification=new RevisionNumber=0 Status=activeGLGC/**PlusbusZoneRef /PlusbusZones /StopPoint There's some explanation at: http://www.dft.gov.uk/naptan/**schema/2.1/guide/naptan-**070325.dochttp://www.dft.gov.uk/naptan/schema/2.1/guide/naptan-070325.doc -- Barry Cornelius http://www.northeastraces.com/ http://www.thehs2.com/ http://www.rowmaps.com/ http://www.oxonpaths.com/ http://www.barrycornelius.com/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-us] Mappy Hour suggestions?
Try to find new audiences, this mailing list is saturated with your target market already. So, try google ads or a banner on osm.org. Work with existing local groups (e.g. the seattle group had no real heads up about at least 2 out of the 3 meetings). On Dec 11, 2012, at 10:46 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Hi all, We've done three mappy hours now I think? To me they are great fun and useful. That is not to say we can't improve. What are your suggestions? I am particularly interested in hearing from folks who have participated, but of course anyone is welcome to chime in. One thing I was thinking about was giving newcomers a chance to introduce themselves and / or ask any questions they have, start the mappy hour off with that perhaps. Thoughts? -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Mappy Hour suggestions?
From: Steve Coast [mailto:st...@asklater.com] Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Mappy Hour suggestions? Try to find new audiences, this mailing list is saturated with your target market already. So, try google ads or a banner on osm.org. Work with existing local groups (e.g. the seattle group had no real heads up about at least 2 out of the 3 meetings). How do the Seattle local group or other local groups engage with the wider US community? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] MassGIS Building Import Start
Hello Everybody, I would like to kick off the MassGIS building import. This following is copy/paste from the current wiki ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS_Buildings_Import). The external links will work on the wiki. -- On Dec, 2012 MassGIS http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS released a high quality data layer for all buildingshttp://www.mass.gov/anf/research-and-tech/it-serv-and-support/application-serv/office-of-geographic-information-massgis/datalayers/structures.html in the entire state of MA. Previously MassGIShttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS only had buildings for Boston and its nearby suburbs. The plan is as follows. Source Data LicenseAll MassGIS http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS data is in the public domain. See MassGIShttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS page, and talk-us archiveshttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2012-December/thread.html for detailed discussion. A previous (incomplete) version of this data that covers the Boston area has already been imported. From the MA Secretary of state Office Frequently Asked Questionshttp://www.sec.state.ma.us/pre/prepdf/guide.pdf, first question is What records are public? Every document, paper, record, * map*, photograph, etc., as defined by law, that is made or received by a government entity or employee is presumed to be a public record From the MA Secretary of state Duplication Serviceshttp://www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcres/residx.htm, last section. Records created by Massachusetts government are not copyrighted and are available for public use. Copyright for materials submitted to state agencies may be held by the person or organization that created the document. Patrons are responsible for clearing copyright on such materials. For more information on copyright law, please see the U.S. Copyright Office's web page at lcweb.loc.gov/copyright. ScriptsA script was written to convert MassGIS shp files to OSM file. Each town has its own zip. Inside of the zip is two OSM files. The first file has all of the buildings, the second file has only the buildings missing from OSM. This has been completed, data is herehttps://docs.google.com/a/twincoastmetrology.com/folder/d/0B6HixOxli_6ldGVkREtxdk5lWGM/edit. jremillard will update these files. The scripts used for the shape to OSM conversion are also at the same link as the data. Status TrackingA google docs spreadsheethttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ar0iC0thXzOjdFc4c3diOGZiNlNtX2ZoOVNacTE3R3c will be used to track progress on each town. People helping with the import will be able to claim a town, mark as town as already building complete, or mark it as skip for the final automated import because of data problems. Who Is Doing ThisSo far OSM users ingalls and jremillard are working on the import. We will work on getting as much help as possible. Getting HelpUse the MA osm database extract to get a list of users that have added 10 or more buildings in 2012. We will contact these users and ask if could help with the import. Not completed. Manual Imports - Step 1It is expected that users doing the town by town import will use their *normal osm accounts *. The datahttps://docs.google.com/a/twincoastmetrology.com/folder/d/0B6HixOxli_6ldGVkREtxdk5lWGM/edit will be download into JOSM, visually inspected, fixing any problems, then uploaded. SchemaThe OSM files that are in the ZIP file will only be tagged with building=yes. The MassGIS building STRUCT_ID will not be included. First, MassGIS made no attempt at preserving the STRUCT_ID when they updated the data set to include the entire state. The MassGIS STRUCT_ID, is based on X,Y centroid, when they updated the building locations, all of the ids changed. Second, No actual scenario came up in the discussion on why somebody might want to link the OSM structure back to the MassGIS data. In fact, nobody could come up with a case where previous imports that did include the original id turned out to be useful to somebody. Thirdly, if somebody really, really does need to link the OSM building to the MassGIS source layer, they can always link them them based on the building centriods of the two sets, and to get even more precision, rolling the change sets back to the import time and doing a more exact match will always be possible. Basically, the STRUCT_ID is redundant with the actual building geometry. Lastly, including the STRUCT_ID is not free. It will be confusing to future mappers. What to do with the STRUCT_ID, when a building is moved, deleted, or copied/ pasted? The wiki will not have this tag documented, it will not be clear what it is for. If even one fix is not made because of confusion over the STRUCT_ID tag, we will have lowered the final quality of the map for no apparent benefit. CreditCredit to MassGIS will be included in all changeset comments. It will read as follows *Building Structures (2-D, from 2011-2012 Ortho Imagery) - Office of Geographic
Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS Building Import Start
A couple of initial comments: Has some kind of simplify been run on the data? Although most of the buildings are quite good some of the curved ones are overnoded (e.g. http://took.paulnorman.ca/imports/massgis/noded.png) If your documentation conflicts with the requirements of the import guidelines (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#Use_a_dedicated_user_a ccount) around a dedicated account it may lead to people importing your data getting blocked. You've asked for a check of the reprojection in the data directory but I don't actually see a data directory anywhere. Could you provide a link? From: Jason Remillard [mailto:remillard.ja...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:15 PM To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org; impo...@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-us] MassGIS Building Import Start Hello Everybody, I would like to kick off the MassGIS building import. This following is copy/paste from the current wiki ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS_Buildings_Import). The external links will work on the wiki. -- On Dec, 2012 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS MassGIS released a high quality data layer for all http://www.mass.gov/anf/research-and-tech/it-serv-and-support/application-s erv/office-of-geographic-information-massgis/datalayers/structures.html buildings in the entire state of MA. Previously http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS MassGIS only had buildings for Boston and its nearby suburbs. The plan is as follows. Source Data License All http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS MassGIS data is in the public domain. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS MassGIS page, and talk-us http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2012-December/thread.html archives for detailed discussion. A previous (incomplete) version of this data that covers the Boston area has already been imported. From the MA Secretary of state Office http://www.sec.state.ma.us/pre/prepdf/guide.pdf Frequently Asked Questions, first question is What records are public? Every document, paper, record, map, photograph, etc., as defined by law, that is made or received by a government entity or employee is presumed to be a public record From the MA Secretary of state http://www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcres/residx.htm Duplication Services, last section. Records created by Massachusetts government are not copyrighted and are available for public use. Copyright for materials submitted to state agencies may be held by the person or organization that created the document. Patrons are responsible for clearing copyright on such materials. For more information on copyright law, please see the U.S. Copyright Office's web page at lcweb.loc.gov/copyright. Scripts A script was written to convert MassGIS shp files to OSM file. Each town has its own zip. Inside of the zip is two OSM files. The first file has all of the buildings, the second file has only the buildings missing from OSM. This has been completed, data is https://docs.google.com/a/twincoastmetrology.com/folder/d/0B6HixOxli_6ldGVk REtxdk5lWGM/edit here. jremillard will update these files. The scripts used for the shape to OSM conversion are also at the same link as the data. Status Tracking A google docs https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ar0iC0thXzOjdFc4c3diOGZiNlNtX2 ZoOVNacTE3R3c spreadsheet will be used to track progress on each town. People helping with the import will be able to claim a town, mark as town as already building complete, or mark it as skip for the final automated import because of data problems. Who Is Doing This So far OSM users ingalls and jremillard are working on the import. We will work on getting as much help as possible. Getting Help Use the MA osm database extract to get a list of users that have added 10 or more buildings in 2012. We will contact these users and ask if could help with the import. Not completed. Manual Imports - Step 1 It is expected that users doing the town by town import will use their normal osm accounts. The https://docs.google.com/a/twincoastmetrology.com/folder/d/0B6HixOxli_6ldGVk REtxdk5lWGM/edit data will be download into JOSM, visually inspected, fixing any problems, then uploaded. Schema The OSM files that are in the ZIP file will only be tagged with building=yes. The MassGIS building STRUCT_ID will not be included. First, MassGIS made no attempt at preserving the STRUCT_ID when they updated the data set to include the entire state. The MassGIS STRUCT_ID, is based on X,Y centroid, when they updated the building locations, all of the ids changed. Second, No actual scenario came up in the discussion on why somebody might want to link the OSM structure back to the MassGIS data. In fact, nobody could come up with a case where previous imports that did include the original id turned out to be useful to somebody. Thirdly, if somebody really, really does need to link the OSM building to the MassGIS
Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start
Paul - can you elaborate on the point about users being blocked if not using a dedicated account? The guidelines don't point this out it seems contrary to the spirit of there being no right way of doing things in OSM. (Not a policy I agree with, but que sera...). Who does the blocking? Thanks, Jeff On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: A couple of initial comments: ** ** Has some kind of simplify been run on the data? Although most of the buildings are quite good some of the curved ones are overnoded (e.g. http://took.paulnorman.ca/imports/massgis/noded.png) ** ** If your documentation conflicts with the requirements of the import guidelines ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#Use_a_dedicated_user_account) around a dedicated account it may lead to people importing your data getting blocked. ** ** You’ve asked for a check of the reprojection in the data directory but I don’t actually see a data directory anywhere. Could you provide a link? *From:* Jason Remillard [mailto:remillard.ja...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:15 PM *To:* talk-us@openstreetmap.org; impo...@openstreetmap.org *Subject:* [Talk-us] MassGIS Building Import Start ** ** Hello Everybody, I would like to kick off the MassGIS building import. This following is copy/paste from the current wiki ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS_Buildings_Import). The external links will work on the wiki. -- On Dec, 2012 MassGIS http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS released a high quality data layer for all buildingshttp://www.mass.gov/anf/research-and-tech/it-serv-and-support/application-serv/office-of-geographic-information-massgis/datalayers/structures.html in the entire state of MA. Previously MassGIShttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS only had buildings for Boston and its nearby suburbs. The plan is as follows. *Source Data License* All MassGIS http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS data is in the public domain. See MassGIS http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS page, and talk-us archiveshttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2012-December/thread.html for detailed discussion. A previous (incomplete) version of this data that covers the Boston area has already been imported. From the MA Secretary of state Office Frequently Asked Questionshttp://www.sec.state.ma.us/pre/prepdf/guide.pdf, first question is What records are public? Every document, paper, record, *map*, photograph, etc., as defined by law, that is made or received by a government entity or employee is presumed to be a public record From the MA Secretary of state Duplication Serviceshttp://www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcres/residx.htm, last section. Records created by Massachusetts government are not copyrighted and are available for public use. Copyright for materials submitted to state agencies may be held by the person or organization that created the document. Patrons are responsible for clearing copyright on such materials. For more information on copyright law, please see the U.S. Copyright Office's web page at lcweb.loc.gov/copyright. *Scripts* A script was written to convert MassGIS shp files to OSM file. Each town has its own zip. Inside of the zip is two OSM files. The first file has all of the buildings, the second file has only the buildings missing from OSM. This has been completed, data is herehttps://docs.google.com/a/twincoastmetrology.com/folder/d/0B6HixOxli_6ldGVkREtxdk5lWGM/edit. jremillard will update these files. The scripts used for the shape to OSM conversion are also at the same link as the data. *Status Tracking* A google docs spreadsheethttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ar0iC0thXzOjdFc4c3diOGZiNlNtX2ZoOVNacTE3R3c will be used to track progress on each town. People helping with the import will be able to claim a town, mark as town as already building complete, or mark it as skip for the final automated import because of data problems. *Who Is Doing This* So far OSM users ingalls and jremillard are working on the import. We will work on getting as much help as possible. *Getting Help* Use the MA osm database extract to get a list of users that have added 10 or more buildings in 2012. We will contact these users and ask if could help with the import. Not completed. *Manual Imports - Step 1* It is expected that users doing the town by town import will use their *normal osm accounts*. The datahttps://docs.google.com/a/twincoastmetrology.com/folder/d/0B6HixOxli_6ldGVkREtxdk5lWGM/edit will be download into JOSM, visually inspected, fixing any problems, then uploaded. *Schema* The OSM files that are in the ZIP file will only be tagged with building=yes. The MassGIS building STRUCT_ID
Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start
In regards to this and previous imports, I have found that this is by no means the law when it comes to imports. In Canada we have / and still are in the lengthy process of importing canvec data for the whole country. We do this in a distributed approach. Each user can upload the data with their own account. This is MUCH better in many cases as it encourages people to upload the canvec data in their own area instead of a user sitting hundreds of miles away uploading with a generic account. It also allows people to be held responsible (in a good way) for their data. With a generic account being used by multiple people mistakes are harder to track to the source. By using individual accounts problems can be more easily tracked. Ie a user is not fixing validator issues before uploading causing problems. With a single user account tracking down the specific uploader is near impossible. Just my two cents. tl;dr Using individual accounts is better as it promotes uploading data in ones area. cheers, ingalls On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: Paul - can you elaborate on the point about users being blocked if not using a dedicated account? The guidelines don't point this out it seems contrary to the spirit of there being no right way of doing things in OSM. (Not a policy I agree with, but que sera...). Who does the blocking? Thanks, Jeff On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: A couple of initial comments: ** ** Has some kind of simplify been run on the data? Although most of the buildings are quite good some of the curved ones are overnoded (e.g. http://took.paulnorman.ca/imports/massgis/noded.png) ** ** If your documentation conflicts with the requirements of the import guidelines ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#Use_a_dedicated_user_account) around a dedicated account it may lead to people importing your data getting blocked. ** ** You’ve asked for a check of the reprojection in the data directory but I don’t actually see a data directory anywhere. Could you provide a link? *From:* Jason Remillard [mailto:remillard.ja...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:15 PM *To:* talk-us@openstreetmap.org; impo...@openstreetmap.org *Subject:* [Talk-us] MassGIS Building Import Start ** ** Hello Everybody, I would like to kick off the MassGIS building import. This following is copy/paste from the current wiki ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS_Buildings_Import). The external links will work on the wiki. -- On Dec, 2012 MassGIS http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS released a high quality data layer for all buildingshttp://www.mass.gov/anf/research-and-tech/it-serv-and-support/application-serv/office-of-geographic-information-massgis/datalayers/structures.html in the entire state of MA. Previously MassGIShttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS only had buildings for Boston and its nearby suburbs. The plan is as follows. *Source Data License* All MassGIS http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS data is in the public domain. See MassGIS http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS page, and talk-us archiveshttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2012-December/thread.html for detailed discussion. A previous (incomplete) version of this data that covers the Boston area has already been imported. From the MA Secretary of state Office Frequently Asked Questionshttp://www.sec.state.ma.us/pre/prepdf/guide.pdf, first question is What records are public? Every document, paper, record, *map*, photograph, etc., as defined by law, that is made or received by a government entity or employee is presumed to be a public record From the MA Secretary of state Duplication Serviceshttp://www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcres/residx.htm, last section. Records created by Massachusetts government are not copyrighted and are available for public use. Copyright for materials submitted to state agencies may be held by the person or organization that created the document. Patrons are responsible for clearing copyright on such materials. For more information on copyright law, please see the U.S. Copyright Office's web page at lcweb.loc.gov/copyright. *Scripts* A script was written to convert MassGIS shp files to OSM file. Each town has its own zip. Inside of the zip is two OSM files. The first file has all of the buildings, the second file has only the buildings missing from OSM. This has been completed, data is herehttps://docs.google.com/a/twincoastmetrology.com/folder/d/0B6HixOxli_6ldGVkREtxdk5lWGM/edit. jremillard will update these files. The scripts used for the shape to OSM conversion are also at the same link as the data. *Status Tracking* A google docs
Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start
Imports which don't follow the guidelines may be asked to stop or blocked. This includes imports where the appropriate community consultation wasn't done, imports with legal problems, imports without a dedicated account, and various weird problems. Most cases are dealt with via a private message or a 0-hour block which forces them to log on to osm.org and read it. From: Jeff Meyer [mailto:j...@gwhat.org] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:56 PM To: Paul Norman Cc: Jason Remillard; impo...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap US Talk Subject: Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start Paul - can you elaborate on the point about users being blocked if not using a dedicated account? The guidelines don't point this out it seems contrary to the spirit of there being no right way of doing things in OSM. (Not a policy I agree with, but que sera...). Who does the blocking? Thanks, Jeff ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 7:15 PM, nicholas ingalls nicholas.inga...@gmail.com wrote: In regards to this and previous imports, I have found that this is by no means the law when it comes to imports. In Canada we have / and still are in the lengthy process of importing canvec data for the whole country. We do this in a distributed approach. Each user can upload the data with their own account. This is MUCH better in many cases as it encourages people to upload the canvec data in their own area instead of a user sitting hundreds of miles away uploading with a generic account. It also allows people to be held responsible (in a good way) for their data. With a generic account being used by multiple people mistakes are harder to track to the source. By using individual accounts problems can be more easily tracked. Ie a user is not fixing validator issues before uploading causing problems. With a single user account tracking down the specific uploader is near impossible. I agree with this approach, using individual user id instead of having to create a new import id. We have at least two types of imports, manually by users and bulk done by scripts as well as bots that correct problems. For manually imports I feel using the existing id should be sufficient. For bulk imports, which large needs to be defined, a separate id might be useful. To make it real clear, to me a manual import is cutting and pasting one or more elements (nodes, ways, polygons and multipolygons.) Bulk imports use scripts, such as bulk_upload.py. Where the Mass import is being done manually, I'd go with their plan to use existing user ids. If the user screws up one import, the others might be perfect. Would we expect to remove all of their other imports for one error, or just expect the user to correct the problem? I don't think so. It might help the community to explain exactly why a new id is necessary and what harm not using a separate id creates. I know this criteria has been discussed at length on the discussion list, but I have yet to register any compelling reasoning. -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start
IMO, the process by which blocks are placed, who does the asking of the user to follow the guidelines, and those with authority to block users needs to be documented and reviewed. If it already is, please provide a pointer. Strikes me as fairly ominous and potentially arbitrary. Can anyone point me to any documentation of this internal policing? On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: Imports which don’t follow the guidelines may be asked to stop or blocked. This includes imports where the appropriate community consultation wasn’t done, imports with legal problems, imports without a dedicated account, and various weird problems. ** ** Most cases are dealt with via a private message or a 0-hour block which forces them to log on to osm.org and read it. ** ** *From:* Jeff Meyer [mailto:j...@gwhat.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:56 PM *To:* Paul Norman *Cc:* Jason Remillard; impo...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap US Talk *Subject:* Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start ** ** Paul - can you elaborate on the point about users being blocked if not using a dedicated account? ** ** The guidelines don't point this out it seems contrary to the spirit of there being no right way of doing things in OSM. (Not a policy I agree with, but que sera...). ** ** Who does the blocking? ** ** Thanks, Jeff ** ** -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start
CanVec operates with each user using a dedicated account. Using a dedicated account doesn't mean sharing an account. From: Clifford Snow [mailto:cliff...@snowandsnow.us] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:37 PM To: nicholas ingalls Cc: OpenStreetMap US Talk Subject: Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 7:15 PM, nicholas ingalls nicholas.inga...@gmail.com wrote: In regards to this and previous imports, I have found that this is by no means the law when it comes to imports. In Canada we have / and still are in the lengthy process of importing canvec data for the whole country. We do this in a distributed approach. Each user can upload the data with their own account. This is MUCH better in many cases as it encourages people to upload the canvec data in their own area instead of a user sitting hundreds of miles away uploading with a generic account. It also allows people to be held responsible (in a good way) for their data. With a generic account being used by multiple people mistakes are harder to track to the source. By using individual accounts problems can be more easily tracked. Ie a user is not fixing validator issues before uploading causing problems. With a single user account tracking down the specific uploader is near impossible. I agree with this approach, using individual user id instead of having to create a new import id. We have at least two types of imports, manually by users and bulk done by scripts as well as bots that correct problems. For manually imports I feel using the existing id should be sufficient. For bulk imports, which large needs to be defined, a separate id might be useful. To make it real clear, to me a manual import is cutting and pasting one or more elements (nodes, ways, polygons and multipolygons.) Bulk imports use scripts, such as bulk_upload.py. Where the Mass import is being done manually, I'd go with their plan to use existing user ids. If the user screws up one import, the others might be perfect. Would we expect to remove all of their other imports for one error, or just expect the user to correct the problem? I don't think so. It might help the community to explain exactly why a new id is necessary and what harm not using a separate id creates. I know this criteria has been discussed at length on the discussion list, but I have yet to register any compelling reasoning. -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start
http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Data_Working_Group From: Jeff Meyer [mailto:j...@gwhat.org] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:47 PM To: Paul Norman Cc: impo...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap US Talk Subject: Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start IMO, the process by which blocks are placed, who does the asking of the user to follow the guidelines, and those with authority to block users needs to be documented and reviewed. If it already is, please provide a pointer. Strikes me as fairly ominous and potentially arbitrary. Can anyone point me to any documentation of this internal policing? On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: Imports which don't follow the guidelines may be asked to stop or blocked. This includes imports where the appropriate community consultation wasn't done, imports with legal problems, imports without a dedicated account, and various weird problems. Most cases are dealt with via a private message or a 0-hour block which forces them to log on to osm.org and read it. From: Jeff Meyer [mailto:j...@gwhat.org] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:56 PM To: Paul Norman Cc: Jason Remillard; impo...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap US Talk Subject: Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start Paul - can you elaborate on the point about users being blocked if not using a dedicated account? The guidelines don't point this out it seems contrary to the spirit of there being no right way of doing things in OSM. (Not a policy I agree with, but que sera...). Who does the blocking? Thanks, Jeff -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start
Paul - thanks for the link! I'll send a separate note to the DWG with my concerns. - Jeff On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Data_Working_Group ** ** *From:* Jeff Meyer [mailto:j...@gwhat.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:47 PM *To:* Paul Norman *Cc:* impo...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap US Talk *Subject:* Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start ** ** IMO, the process by which blocks are placed, who does the asking of the user to follow the guidelines, and those with authority to block users needs to be documented and reviewed. If it already is, please provide a pointer. Strikes me as fairly ominous and potentially arbitrary. ** ** Can anyone point me to any documentation of this internal policing? ** ** On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: Imports which don’t follow the guidelines may be asked to stop or blocked. This includes imports where the appropriate community consultation wasn’t done, imports with legal problems, imports without a dedicated account, and various weird problems. Most cases are dealt with via a private message or a 0-hour block which forces them to log on to osm.org and read it. *From:* Jeff Meyer [mailto:j...@gwhat.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:56 PM *To:* Paul Norman *Cc:* Jason Remillard; impo...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap US Talk *Subject:* Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start Paul - can you elaborate on the point about users being blocked if not using a dedicated account? The guidelines don't point this out it seems contrary to the spirit of there being no right way of doing things in OSM. (Not a policy I agree with, but que sera...). Who does the blocking? Thanks, Jeff ** ** -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: IMO, the process by which blocks are placed, who does the asking of the user to follow the guidelines, and those with authority to block users needs to be documented and reviewed. If it already is, please provide a pointer. Strikes me as fairly ominous and potentially arbitrary. Can anyone point me to any documentation of this internal policing? On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: Imports which don’t follow the guidelines may be asked to stop or blocked. This includes imports where the appropriate community consultation wasn’t done, imports with legal problems, imports without a dedicated account, and various weird problems. Most cases are dealt with via a private message or a 0-hour block which forces them to log on to osm.org and read it. From: Jeff Meyer [mailto:j...@gwhat.org] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:56 PM To: Paul Norman Cc: Jason Remillard; impo...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap US Talk Subject: Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start Paul - can you elaborate on the point about users being blocked if not using a dedicated account? The guidelines don't point this out it seems contrary to the spirit of there being no right way of doing things in OSM. (Not a policy I agree with, but que sera...). Who does the blocking? I'm not sure if this page is actually linked to from anywhere but all account blocks and the reasons they were put in place are viewable by everybody on this page: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks Toby ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
