Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS (aerial) imagery covering Belgium, now conveniently packaged for adding it to JOSM

[Glenn Plas]

The danger in not adding GRB layer is that people will 'correct' using
Bing, and we all know where that leads to...

We should focus on efforts in getting GRB to open up.  I'm terribly
frustrated by people deleting buildings using Bing while I have added
all new buildings using Agiv, doublechecked using GRB and addressed
properly only to find out that the get deleted by some oblivious user.

There is no such thing as security by obscurity.  At the very least,
give them the option.

Glenn



On 28-12-14 22:59, Jo wrote:
> It's possible to have people sign an EULA. Would that help? I'd need to
> know what the restrictions are though. I thought we were just not
> supposed to copy their building outlines. I guess the parcel outlines
> are off limits as well, but I don't see those with the paramters I provided.
> 
> I'd love to support iD as well, but why can't they program support for
> WMS? Why can't  they be as flexible as possible? It's absurd that we'd
> have to setup a server to convert from WMS to TMS or have iD users use
> older imagery than the enlightened users of JOSM. It almost seems easier
> to try and peel people away from the 'dark side'.
> 
> Jo
> 
> 2014-12-28 21:50 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere  >:
> 
> Jo, I'm not sure that the GRB layer should be part of the default
> layer set. It becomes too dangerous people will use it without
> reading about the limitations.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS (aerial) imagery covering Belgium, now conveniently packaged for adding it to JOSM

[Sander Deryckere]

I just read a blog post about Mapbox updating aerial imagery in German
cities from governmental sources, and I mailed them to ask if they'd want
to use Agiv for Flanders too

https://www.mapbox.com/blog/berlin-imagery-update/

If they want to do it, newbies using iD could just use the Agiv imagery in
their editor (it's even in the default menu, so some little comparison
effort would show them that it's better).

If someone knows how to best contact Bing, it might be worth to ask Bing
the same. Since the Agiv images are released under the Open Data license,
it's perfectly possible to use them directly in a commercial app.

Regards,
Sander

2015-01-01 16:19 GMT+01:00 Glenn Plas :

> The danger in not adding GRB layer is that people will 'correct' using
> Bing, and we all know where that leads to...
>
> We should focus on efforts in getting GRB to open up.  I'm terribly
> frustrated by people deleting buildings using Bing while I have added
> all new buildings using Agiv, doublechecked using GRB and addressed
> properly only to find out that the get deleted by some oblivious user.
>
> There is no such thing as security by obscurity.  At the very least,
> give them the option.
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
> On 28-12-14 22:59, Jo wrote:
> > It's possible to have people sign an EULA. Would that help? I'd need to
> > know what the restrictions are though. I thought we were just not
> > supposed to copy their building outlines. I guess the parcel outlines
> > are off limits as well, but I don't see those with the paramters I
> provided.
> >
> > I'd love to support iD as well, but why can't they program support for
> > WMS? Why can't  they be as flexible as possible? It's absurd that we'd
> > have to setup a server to convert from WMS to TMS or have iD users use
> > older imagery than the enlightened users of JOSM. It almost seems easier
> > to try and peel people away from the 'dark side'.
> >
> > Jo
> >
> > 2014-12-28 21:50 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere  > >:
> >
> > Jo, I'm not sure that the GRB layer should be part of the default
> > layer set. It becomes too dangerous people will use it without
> > reading about the limitations.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS (aerial) imagery covering Belgium, now conveniently packaged for adding it to JOSM

[André Pirard]

  
  
On 2015-01-01 16:19, Glenn Plas wrote :


  The danger in not adding GRB layer is that people will 'correct' using
Bing, and we all know where that leads to...

We should focus on efforts in getting GRB to open up.  I'm terribly
frustrated by people deleting buildings using Bing while I have added
all new buildings using Agiv, doublechecked using GRB and addressed
properly only to find out that the get deleted by some oblivious user.

If I understand well, GRB is the digitalized map and it is not
allowed.
Belgium is a strange country.
In the north, they're able but not allowed to use it.
In the south, they are allowed to use it but unable to (no WMS
4326).
We should focus on adding to SPW Arcgis the few configuration lines
I've shown. 
That's all there is to it unless the Arcgis doc is deceiving.

Cheers



  

  André.

  



  There is no such thing as security by obscurity.  At the very least,
give them the option.

Glenn



On 28-12-14 22:59, Jo wrote:

  
It's possible to have people sign an EULA. Would that help? I'd need to
know what the restrictions are though. I thought we were just not
supposed to copy their building outlines. I guess the parcel outlines
are off limits as well, but I don't see those with the paramters I provided.

I'd love to support iD as well, but why can't they program support for
WMS? Why can't  they be as flexible as possible? It's absurd that we'd
have to setup a server to convert from WMS to TMS or have iD users use
older imagery than the enlightened users of JOSM. It almost seems easier
to try and peel people away from the 'dark side'.

Jo

2014-12-28 21:50 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere :

Jo, I'm not sure that the GRB layer should be part of the default
layer set. It becomes too dangerous people will use it without
reading about the limitations.


  


  


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