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On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 9:26 PM, Glenn Plas  wrote:

> These are question you will encounter in cities with historical buildings.


My pleasure to give you those problems :-)

A related problem is the case where only 1 building of a group is
protected, e.g. only one barn or the building for the production of goods
and not the house of the farm or factory.

We typically set the house number on the house, not on the other buildings,
though they have the same number. If you do not repeat the number, the
listed building (protected monument) cannot be found by its address. I have
never tried to set it on the "ground" or parcel, but that might be the
solution in such a case.
Did other people ever put the address on the farmland ? I read that Sander
does it on the school ground.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

Tryton has no front-end that I know off, their focus is desktop client
last time I evaluated.  open-erp I have it somewhere...  I have mixed
feelings about it and concern about the code as well.  They sure like
the global scope... I didn't audit in depth.

If tryton has a decent API, with a webinterface that would be progress.
 As always, try it.  (or try to get it installed/working 1 time).

I dont like the fact that openerp (odoo) their multicompanyview with the
view at the time that made it impossible to have a parent/child relation
for a holding company.  So you could not assign 1 user to 2 different
companies that are a child of the same parent, because you can't inherit
from sisters/brothers.

That limited our use severely.

Glenn

On 17-03-15 23:55, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:
> Le mardi 17 mars 2015 à 10:11 +0100, Julien Fastré a écrit :
>> Jo: Odoo is an ERP: do you think we have the need for accoutancy,
>> products management,  ??
>>
>> We run Odoo at Champs Libres and the problem is their model is quite
>> closed. Of course, the code is open source, but they regularly decide
>> that their software need an "upgrade", and the upgrade cost a lot of
>> money (around 1k€)...
> 
> this is what I think and also the reason why the gnuhealth project
> dropped openerp/odoo in favor of tryton.
> 
>> Not affordable for us: we are considering to migrate to tryton
>> (http://www.tryton.org/)
> 
> I know personnally the people behind tryton (A small team of 3 from
> Liège). Very nice people, with a larger international team and a
> foundation. They do free software the proper way. By the way, 2 of them
> have worked for openerp ... and have left before forking the code. 
> 
> Have a good night,
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

2015-03-17 Thread Nicolas Pettiaux

Le mardi 17 mars 2015 à 10:11 +0100, Julien Fastré a écrit :
> Jo: Odoo is an ERP: do you think we have the need for accoutancy,
> products management,  ??
> 
> We run Odoo at Champs Libres and the problem is their model is quite
> closed. Of course, the code is open source, but they regularly decide
> that their software need an "upgrade", and the upgrade cost a lot of
> money (around 1k€)...

this is what I think and also the reason why the gnuhealth project
dropped openerp/odoo in favor of tryton.

> Not affordable for us: we are considering to migrate to tryton
> (http://www.tryton.org/)

I know personnally the people behind tryton (A small team of 3 from
Liège). Very nice people, with a larger international team and a
foundation. They do free software the proper way. By the way, 2 of them
have worked for openerp ... and have left before forking the code. 

Have a good night,

Nicolas


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Preference ? : address number as NODE in building/house, or WHOLE building/house with address number ?

I meant: show building=industrial and building=house differently

And also, I follow the same principles as Sander does. If I know the
entrance, I map the address.  I also discovered that mapping the address
on the house + on an entrance node doesn't harm either.

Specifically when a house got a certain number, the shop the same or a
subnumber, I verify with their website when they publish their coordinates.

I thought a lot about splitting amenity , shop, even historical from the
address data

So this you will find on the building(way):

OnroerendErfgoed:criteria=M
addr:housename=De Schaal
addr:housenumber=31
addr:street=Grote Markt
building=house
heritage:operator=OnroerendErfgoed
heritage:website=https://inventaris.onroerenderfgoed.be/dibe/relict/3724
heritage=4
ref:OnroerendErfgoed=3724

And this on a node joined to the building:

addr:housenumber=31
addr:street=Grote Markt
amenity=bank
entrance=main
name=Belfius
old_name=Dexia

The idea is this:  The shop might disapear sooner than the building, in
fact it probably will be gone too when the building is gone.   But shops
come and go.

When someone comes by and deletes the node when the shop is gone, the
house is still there with all relevant data intact.   I take these
precautions to eliminate probable beginner mistakes.

I also debated to not create/delete the duplicate address information so
I started looking at how nominatim acts searching for a bank, the
address, the historical data.

Which sometimes brings back pretty interesting results[1]:

{
place_id: "2569293315"
licence: "Data © OpenStreetMap contributors, ODbL 1.0.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright";
osm_type: "way"
osm_id: "322960205"
lat: "51.02759255"
lon: "4.48010419521519"
display_name: "De Schaal, 31, Grote Markt, Mechelen, Antwerpen,
Vlaanderen, 2800;2801;2811;2812, België"
address: {
  building: "De Schaal"
  house_number: "31"
  pedestrian: "Grote Markt"
  city_district: "Mechelen"
  town: "Mechelen"
  county: "Mechelen"
  state: "Vlaanderen"
  postcode: "2800;2801;2811;2812"
  country: "België"
  country_code: "be"
  }-
}

So some weird combination.  I searched for the exact node coordinates here.

Searching for a lat/lon pair within the borders of the building results
in the same node still.

The downside of only putting address information on the entrance node is
that you sort of split/strip/have to take down the OnroerendErfgoed
information and put part of it on a node That doesn't feel right.

In this case above it's the same address which can be a different
housenumber but that is usually not the case.

But the postal code worries me more.  It should be 2800 in dead center
of Mechelen.  Anyone know why this happens ?  This wasn't the case 3
months ago and I didn't even look at the postalcode boundaries in
Mechelen , never.

These are question you will encounter in cities with historical buildings.

Glenn


[1] >
http://nominatim.openstreetmaps.org/reverse.php?format=xml&lat=51.0277182&lon=4.480156852628769&zoom=18&addressdetails=1&email=glenn&accept-language=nl,en;q=0.8,fr;q=0.5





> The default map style sheet show industrial and building differently.
> They might decide to change that.
> 
> Glenn

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Preference ? : address number as NODE in building/house, or WHOLE building/house with address number ?

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Glenn Plas  wrote:

> When sure it is a house, map it building=house.
>
> I started doing this as well lately, I'm trying to get away from
> building=yes
>
> usually garage , house , residential (for big living blocks) , shed ,
> industrial.
>
>
+1, please try to be more precise than just building=yes.
I also use retail (for shops) and apartments.
Churches should be building=church and for schools use building=school.
Just look at the building page [1] on the wiki, you might start using other
values as well (commercial, farm, barn, )

Another nice improvement is to map the area of large shops and their
parkings as landuse=retail

regards

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[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Preference ? : address number as NODE in building/house, or WHOLE building/house with address number ?

When sure it is a house, map it building=house.

I started doing this as well lately, I'm trying to get away from
building=yes

usually garage , house , residential (for big living blocks) , shed ,
industrial.

Those probably make up for 99% of the building keys I create.

The default map style sheet show industrial and building differently.
They might decide to change that.

Glenn



On 17-03-15 14:29, henkevdb wrote:
> My preference is mapping a house or building as 'yes', and then place a
> node with the address number and street in the building/house as close
> nearby to the 'main' entrance, because that is usually the place where
> the postbox also is. Or is that wrong ?
> Also, when a building has a 'strange', and often large shape, josm then
> places the address number sometimes in a corner of that shape/building ,
> way of the 'main' entrance.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Adressen via AGIV Crab

Je mag feitelijk de gegevens van de bpost website niet gebruiken:

http://www.bpost.be/site/nl/disclaimer.html

*Auteursrecht*
De website met inbegrip van teksten, lay-out, grafische bestanddelen,
presentatie, logo’s, software en andere bestanddelen van deze site is
beschermd door de intellectuele eigendomsrechten van bpost of haar
informatieleveranciers, zoals het auteursrecht, naburige rechten,
databankrecht en merkenrecht.
Reproductie, verspreiding, verkoop, verdeling, publicatie,
aanpassingen, vertalingen,
bewerkingen en gebruik voor commerciële doeleinden van het geheel of een
deel van deze website is verboden, tenzij met voorafgaandelijke en
schriftelijke toestemming van bpost.


mvg

m


2015-03-17 16:31 GMT+01:00 Sus Verhoeven :

> Een middel is voor elke straat éénmaal Bpost op te roepen, die geeft het
> goede zonenummer., Zelden heeft een straat 2 zonenummers, en in dat geval
> geeft men de uiteinden op. En stillaan zou de zone grens zichtbaar worden.
> De "Amstenradelaan" ligt in 3800.
>
> Sus
>
> 2015-03-17 15:41 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere :
>
>>
>>
>> Op 17 maart 2015 15:04 schreef Sus Verhoeven :
>>
>>> Ik heb met de import tools van Sander op de 3800 (Sint-Truiden) de
>>> Amstenradelaan genummerd en alles verliep normaal., De gebouwen waren daar
>>> al getekend.
>>> Ik moet in OSM wel nadien tot het uiterste inzoomen om de nummers
>>> zichtbaar te krijgen.Ook Nominatin kan er mee overweg. Alles is dus
>>> normaal, alhoewel er daar nog meer dan 13.000 gebouven te nummeren zijn.
>>> Op de import tools van Sander zijn de aanpassingen nog niet zichtbaar,
>>> maar dat kan wel nog een tijdje duren.
>>> Sander, hoe dikwijls per dag wordt die import tool aangepast ?
>>>
>>
>> De OSM data komt live van Overpass iedere keer dat je de pagina vernieuwt
>> of op "Update" klikt. En normaal heeft overpass slechts enkele minuten
>> vertraging (hoewel er natuurlijk op iedere server wel eens grotere
>> vertragingen voorkomen).
>>
>> Het probleem is echter dat er geen postcode grens bestaat in Sint-Truiden
>> (zoals https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3366823 voor postcode
>> 8840). Sint-Truiden zelf heeft 3 postcodes, en een adres is maar
>> gedefinieerd onder een postcode (twee verschillende huizen in Sint-Truiden
>> kunnen perfect hetzelfde huisnummer hebben en dezelfde straatnaam, maar een
>> verschillende postcode).
>>
>> Ik heb geprobeerd om ook addr:postcode als tag toe te staan, maar dan
>> werd de overpass query verschrikkelijk traag (die moest immers alle
>> adressen in Vlaanderen gaan filteren.
>>
>> De enige mogelijkheid is dus om die grenzen te tekenen (ook al zijn ze
>> slechts bij benadering), en dan zal Sint-Truiden meteen heel wat groener
>> zijn.
>>
>>
>> Ook in Crab zitten er fouten in de zone nummering, maar er is nog Bpost
>>> voor de controle, ook voor missende huisnummers. Fouten op zonenummers in
>>> CRAB gebeuren meestal op straten die een zonegrens overschreiden.
>>>
>>> Ik zit nu terug rustig bezig op de 3582, nog ogeveer 1000 te gaan ;-)
>>>
>>> Sus
>>>
>>> Ik doe nu rustig verder opde 3582
>>>
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2015-03-17 Thread Sus Verhoeven

Een middel is voor elke straat éénmaal Bpost op te roepen, die geeft het
goede zonenummer., Zelden heeft een straat 2 zonenummers, en in dat geval
geeft men de uiteinden op. En stillaan zou de zone grens zichtbaar worden.
De "Amstenradelaan" ligt in 3800.

Sus

2015-03-17 15:41 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere :

>
>
> Op 17 maart 2015 15:04 schreef Sus Verhoeven :
>
>> Ik heb met de import tools van Sander op de 3800 (Sint-Truiden) de
>> Amstenradelaan genummerd en alles verliep normaal., De gebouwen waren daar
>> al getekend.
>> Ik moet in OSM wel nadien tot het uiterste inzoomen om de nummers
>> zichtbaar te krijgen.Ook Nominatin kan er mee overweg. Alles is dus
>> normaal, alhoewel er daar nog meer dan 13.000 gebouven te nummeren zijn.
>> Op de import tools van Sander zijn de aanpassingen nog niet zichtbaar,
>> maar dat kan wel nog een tijdje duren.
>> Sander, hoe dikwijls per dag wordt die import tool aangepast ?
>>
>
> De OSM data komt live van Overpass iedere keer dat je de pagina vernieuwt
> of op "Update" klikt. En normaal heeft overpass slechts enkele minuten
> vertraging (hoewel er natuurlijk op iedere server wel eens grotere
> vertragingen voorkomen).
>
> Het probleem is echter dat er geen postcode grens bestaat in Sint-Truiden
> (zoals https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3366823 voor postcode
> 8840). Sint-Truiden zelf heeft 3 postcodes, en een adres is maar
> gedefinieerd onder een postcode (twee verschillende huizen in Sint-Truiden
> kunnen perfect hetzelfde huisnummer hebben en dezelfde straatnaam, maar een
> verschillende postcode).
>
> Ik heb geprobeerd om ook addr:postcode als tag toe te staan, maar dan werd
> de overpass query verschrikkelijk traag (die moest immers alle adressen in
> Vlaanderen gaan filteren.
>
> De enige mogelijkheid is dus om die grenzen te tekenen (ook al zijn ze
> slechts bij benadering), en dan zal Sint-Truiden meteen heel wat groener
> zijn.
>
>
> Ook in Crab zitten er fouten in de zone nummering, maar er is nog Bpost
>> voor de controle, ook voor missende huisnummers. Fouten op zonenummers in
>> CRAB gebeuren meestal op straten die een zonegrens overschreiden.
>>
>> Ik zit nu terug rustig bezig op de 3582, nog ogeveer 1000 te gaan ;-)
>>
>> Sus
>>
>> Ik doe nu rustig verder opde 3582
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Preference ? : address number as NODE in building/house, or WHOLE building/house with address number ?

2015-03-17 Thread Sander Deryckere

Our postbox stands about 10m from our house, and about 20m from our main
entrance. Though we only use our main entrance once or twice per week, so
it's hardly our main entrance. And there's no way you can find our entrance
without coming in our front-yard.

So I prefer to add a housenumber to the identifying feature. If a building
has multiple doors, with different housenumbers, then tag the entrances
with the numbers. If a building matches one-to-one with a housenumber, tag
that building with the housenumber. If there are multiple buildings under
one address (for example a school), then tag the outline (the
amenity=school area f.e.) with the housenumber.

Finding a general rule doesn't work, for one company (bPost) the address is
the post box, for another company (package delivery), the address is the
delivery entrance, for people, the address is the front door, ...

So I think you must interpret every case as see it, and find the most
descriptive feature for it. After all, for software, it's easy to extract a
centroid from an area. And it can also be handy when the address is linked
to a physical feature with extra tags.

For example, if you have a commercial building with one address, but a
delivery and a customer entrance, clever routing software could be able to
see that the address is tagged on the building, and that the building way
contains two nodes tagged with entrance=*, so it could ask you which
entrance you want.

And the JOSM problem is just that, a JOSM problem. It's not something the
data users will be annoyed with.

Regards,
Sander

2015-03-17 14:29 GMT+01:00 henkevdb :

> My preference is mapping a house or building as 'yes', and then place a
> node with the address number and street in the building/house as close
> nearby to the 'main' entrance, because that is usually the place where the
> postbox also is. Or is that wrong ?
> Also, when a building has a 'strange', and often large shape, josm then
> places the address number sometimes in a corner of that shape/building ,
> way of the 'main' entrance.
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2015-03-17 Thread Sander Deryckere

Op 17 maart 2015 15:04 schreef Sus Verhoeven :

> Ik heb met de import tools van Sander op de 3800 (Sint-Truiden) de
> Amstenradelaan genummerd en alles verliep normaal., De gebouwen waren daar
> al getekend.
> Ik moet in OSM wel nadien tot het uiterste inzoomen om de nummers
> zichtbaar te krijgen.Ook Nominatin kan er mee overweg. Alles is dus
> normaal, alhoewel er daar nog meer dan 13.000 gebouven te nummeren zijn.
> Op de import tools van Sander zijn de aanpassingen nog niet zichtbaar,
> maar dat kan wel nog een tijdje duren.
> Sander, hoe dikwijls per dag wordt die import tool aangepast ?
>

De OSM data komt live van Overpass iedere keer dat je de pagina vernieuwt
of op "Update" klikt. En normaal heeft overpass slechts enkele minuten
vertraging (hoewel er natuurlijk op iedere server wel eens grotere
vertragingen voorkomen).

Het probleem is echter dat er geen postcode grens bestaat in Sint-Truiden
(zoals https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3366823 voor postcode 8840).
Sint-Truiden zelf heeft 3 postcodes, en een adres is maar gedefinieerd
onder een postcode (twee verschillende huizen in Sint-Truiden kunnen
perfect hetzelfde huisnummer hebben en dezelfde straatnaam, maar een
verschillende postcode).

Ik heb geprobeerd om ook addr:postcode als tag toe te staan, maar dan werd
de overpass query verschrikkelijk traag (die moest immers alle adressen in
Vlaanderen gaan filteren.

De enige mogelijkheid is dus om die grenzen te tekenen (ook al zijn ze
slechts bij benadering), en dan zal Sint-Truiden meteen heel wat groener
zijn.


Ook in Crab zitten er fouten in de zone nummering, maar er is nog Bpost
> voor de controle, ook voor missende huisnummers. Fouten op zonenummers in
> CRAB gebeuren meestal op straten die een zonegrens overschreiden.
>
> Ik zit nu terug rustig bezig op de 3582, nog ogeveer 1000 te gaan ;-)
>
> Sus
>
> Ik doe nu rustig verder opde 3582
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2015-03-17 Thread Sus Verhoeven

Ik heb met de import tools van Sander op de 3800 (Sint-Truiden) de
Amstenradelaan genummerd en alles verliep normaal., De gebouwen waren daar
al getekend.
Ik moet in OSM wel nadien tot het uiterste inzoomen om de nummers zichtbaar
te krijgen.Ook Nominatin kan er mee overweg. Alles is dus normaal, alhoewel
er daar nog meer dan 13.000 gebouven te nummeren zijn.
Op de import tools van Sander zijn de aanpassingen nog niet zichtbaar, maar
dat kan wel nog een tijdje duren.
Sander, hoe dikwijls per dag wordt die import tool aangepast ?
Ook in Crab zitten er fouten in de zone nummering, maar er is nog Bpost
voor de controle, ook voor missende huisnummers. Fouten op zonenummers in
CRAB gebeuren meestal op straten die een zonegrens overschreiden.

Ik zit nu terug rustig bezig op de 3582, nog ogeveer 1000 te gaan ;-)

Sus

Ik doe nu rustig verder opde 3582





2015-03-17 10:30 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere :

> Oh, da's jammer.
>
> Misschien kunnen de adrespunten gebruikt worden om de postcodegrenzen te
> schatten? Ziet iemand dit zitten?
>
> Groeten,
> Sander
>
>
>
> Op 17 maart 2015 06:49 schreef Marc Gemis :
>
>> In Limburg ontbreken nog veel postcode grenzen omdat er nog veel
>> deelgemeente grenzen ontbreken.
>> Dikwijls vallen die grenzen samen. 'k ben daar dus moeten stoppen met het
>> toevoegen van postcode grenzen
>>
>> m
>>
>> 2015-03-17 0:37 GMT+01:00 Erik Beerten :
>>
>>>  Voor Sint-Truiden zijn er nog geen postcode grenzen vastgelegd.
>>> Naast 3800 zijn ook 3803 en 3806 postcodes in Sint-Truiden.
>>> En er zijn veel deelgemeenten.
>>>
>>> Groeten,
>>>
>>> Erik
>>>
>>> Op 16-03-15 om 22:51 schreef Sander Deryckere:
>>>
>>> Mijn eerste idee is dat er iets fout is met de grenzen. De postcode
>>> grens is nodig om de correcte adressen uit OSM te halen. Als die ontbreekt,
>>> of niet correct is, dan kan overpass geen adressen vinden, waardoor alle
>>> staten dus op 0 blijven staan.
>>>
>>> Ik zal morgen eens kijken naar die grenzen, maar het probleem kan nog
>>> een eindje blijven bestaan. Overpass is niet zo snel met het updaten van
>>> gebieden als met het updaten van andere objecten, omdat het wat meer
>>> rekenkracht vraagt om vanuit een OSM relatie een geografisch gebied te
>>> maken. Ik verwacht dat er dus enkele dagen vertraging op kunnen zitten.
>>>
>>> Groeten,
>>> Sander
>>> Op 16-mrt.-2015 21:09 schreef "Guy Vanvuchelen" <
>>> guy.vanvuche...@gmail.com>:
>>>
  De laatste maanden maak ik dankbaar gebruik van de mogelijkheid om
 adressen in te brengen. Iemand maakte mij de opmerking dat in Sint-Truiden
 geen enkel adres ingebracht is. Daar wilde ik wel iets aan doen. Dus begon
 ik met de straat met de meeste adressen: de Luikersteenweg. Voor wie die
 straat kent, het was met niet te doen om de ‘uitstalramen’! Nadat ik een
 honderdtal adressen ingebracht had wilde ik bewijzen dat de teller niet
 meer op nul stond…maar er was niets gewijzigd. Dan heb ik enkele straten
 met weinig (of slechts 1 huis) ingebracht maar ook nu blijkt er niets te
 wijzigen. Eigenaardig genoeg kwam ik straten tegen waar slechts één huis
 ontbreekt terwijl er wel 20 huizen ontbreken (Halingenstraat bijvoorbeeld).

 Kan iemand dat verklaren? Sint-Truiden heeft postcode 3800.



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Re: [OSM-talk-be] On Wheels

Good idea to invite them.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Glenn Plas  wrote:

> Sure, I can email them if you create a task first ;-)
>

Done! :-)

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[OSM-talk-be] Preference ? : address number as NODE in building/house, or WHOLE building/house with address number ?

2015-03-17 Thread henkevdb

My preference is mapping a house or building as 'yes', and then place a 
node with the address number and street in the building/house as close 
nearby to the 'main' entrance, because that is usually the place where 
the postbox also is. Or is that wrong ?
Also, when a building has a 'strange', and often large shape, josm then 
places the address number sometimes in a corner of that shape/building , 
way of the 'main' entrance.


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] On Wheels

Sure, I can email them if you create a task first ;-)

I will do it this evening, I'm diving into a 2hr meeting now.  wish me luck

Glenn

On 17-03-15 13:25, Ben Abelshausen wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Glenn Plas  > wrote:
> 
> I tweeted about collaborating with them and they marked that tweet as
> favorite, but didn't really respond.  It sure looks like they are
> unaware of OSM since they use google maps which I find a very odd choice
> given the level of detail at deeper zoom levels vs OSM is huge,
> especially in the cities.
> 
> It's a VZW so perhaps the business plan isn't that important to them,
> the owners just seem to be physically bound to a wheelchair, so they
> have personal interest in this matter.
> 
> They do have an impressive partner list, I wonder how they got that
> sorted out.
> 
> 
> Awesome, I see mapping parties in the future. 
> 
> Can you email them Glenn? Do I create a project in asana? ;-)
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] On Wheels

Invite them to the mapping party in Brussels on April 25 ? We will try do
some mapping for wheelchairs then. It might be interesting to meet
face-to-face.

regards

m

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> On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Glenn Plas 
> wrote:
>
>> I tweeted about collaborating with them and they marked that tweet as
>> favorite, but didn't really respond.  It sure looks like they are
>> unaware of OSM since they use google maps which I find a very odd choice
>> given the level of detail at deeper zoom levels vs OSM is huge,
>> especially in the cities.
>>
>> It's a VZW so perhaps the business plan isn't that important to them,
>> the owners just seem to be physically bound to a wheelchair, so they
>> have personal interest in this matter.
>>
>> They do have an impressive partner list, I wonder how they got that
>> sorted out.
>>
>
> Awesome, I see mapping parties in the future.
>
> Can you email them Glenn? Do I create a project in asana? ;-)
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] On Wheels

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Glenn Plas  wrote:

> I tweeted about collaborating with them and they marked that tweet as
> favorite, but didn't really respond.  It sure looks like they are
> unaware of OSM since they use google maps which I find a very odd choice
> given the level of detail at deeper zoom levels vs OSM is huge,
> especially in the cities.
>
> It's a VZW so perhaps the business plan isn't that important to them,
> the owners just seem to be physically bound to a wheelchair, so they
> have personal interest in this matter.
>
> They do have an impressive partner list, I wonder how they got that
> sorted out.
>

Awesome, I see mapping parties in the future.

Can you email them Glenn? Do I create a project in asana? ;-)

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

Hi,

I took the liberty of setting up something on asana. The first project
there is 'Find a open alternative for asana' with all the steps I think are
needed. Let's try and make this happen!

But at least we can get started now already with all the other TODO's... :-)

Send me a message if you want an invite. Or I can just send one to talk-be
but that may be called spam.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

I must say, I really like Asana ...  I'm not feeling the urge to setup a
Trac instance.  This tool might be perfect for the job.

Drupal is a bit like Wordpress on the spam front, even with decent
CAPTCHA's I get spam on Wordpress

You could choose a hosted solution to get rid of the work you need to do
to keep Drupal updated (or WP for that matter).


Glenn


On 17-03-15 12:37, Ben Abelshausen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I also think a tool like this could improve the way we do thinks but as
> the person personally funding the website and some other small things
> for OSM-BE I am not in favour of setting up another tool while there are
> some great tools available at no cost online.
> 
> If somebody can answer these two questions I would also go for any
> free-software plan in a hearbeat:
> 
> - Funding/sponsoring for hosting.
> - Person or persons mainting/updating/installing and configuring.
> 
> I'm even considering getting rid of drupal at this point and going
> another way because I spend a lot of time on it because it needs updates
> twice a week and I have better things to do. Not to mention the spam and
> security concerns I have to deal with.
> 
> I also agree with Marc Verwerft that we need to define better what we
> want from a tool like this.
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] On Wheels

Ben,

The person behind the engine is Rob Geertsen, robgeert...@gmail.com

I tweeted about collaborating with them and they marked that tweet as
favorite, but didn't really respond.  It sure looks like they are
unaware of OSM since they use google maps which I find a very odd choice
given the level of detail at deeper zoom levels vs OSM is huge,
especially in the cities.

It's a VZW so perhaps the business plan isn't that important to them,
the owners just seem to be physically bound to a wheelchair, so they
have personal interest in this matter.

They do have an impressive partner list, I wonder how they got that
sorted out.

The website however is suffering from resource issues at this moment.

Glenn


On 17-03-15 12:35, Pieter-Jan Pauwels wrote:
> Hi Ben,
> 
> Excellent :) That’s the nuance I wanted to hear. 
> Then we’re on the same page here. 
> 
> Good luck in contacting them. 
> 
> Kind regards,
> Pieter-Jan
> photo 
> *Pieter-Jan Pauwels*
> Community Coordinator, Open Knowledge Belgium
> m: +32 476 66 27 77  77> | e: pieter-jan.pauw...@okfn.org
>  | w: okfn.be  
> 
> 
>> On 17 Mar 2015, at 12:27, Ben Abelshausen > > wrote:
>>
>> Hi Pieter-Jan,
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Pieter-Jan Pauwels
>> mailto:pieter-jan.pauw...@okfn.org>> wrote:
>>
>> So before we start taking out the pitchforks and scream 'stop
>> monetising crowdsourcing', let’s us approach them in an inviting
>> way. See if we can help them in any way and see what their endgame
>> is. Maybe we’ll not be able to help them in short term, but we’ll
>> have a friend organisation and new ambassadors in the long run. 
>>
>>
>> No pitchforks here, my opinion is my personal one about a hypothetical
>> situation that has not happened yet and will most likely not happen.
>>
>> I do think that ethics should be independent of ones dependency on
>> funds or business models. If planning out a business model would
>> exempt me of all ethics-related conderations then I think there is a
>> bit of a problem. 
>>
>> That being said, it is possible that the collection of this kind of
>> data needs to facilitated better than we have done as an
>> OSM-community, and if the needed funding can only come from a business
>> model that keeps the data closed then so be it. But I don't believe
>> that to be the case either.
>>
>> I also think it's a bad option to keep my opinion to myself because it
>> may offend future partners. I hope we can cooperate with them even
>> when they know of my personal opinion about the matter. Mine may even
>> be different from our community-viewpoint.
>>
>> I'm also not claiming that any of the above remarks apply to their
>> (future) way of doing things because I have never spoken to any of the
>> people involved. I'm just voicing my fear about the matter because we
>> have never been contacted and part of our community is try to collect
>> exactly the same data.
>>
>> The obvious next step is to contact them and ask them how we can help
>> them improve open accesibility data. I think we can all agree on that! :-)
>>
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>> Best regards,
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] On Wheels

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Pieter-Jan Pauwels <
pieter-jan.pauw...@okfn.org> wrote:

> Good luck in contacting them.
>

Thanks!

... and I know, we can seem a bit 'extreme' about 'open' at times! ;-)

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Icon error josm 8109

2015-03-17 Thread Jakka


André Pirard schreef op 17/03/2015 om 11:12:

On 2015-03-17 10:52, Jakka wrote :

@André possible but what can I do? import or move something..
https://josm.openstreetmap.de/changeset/7967/josm
these icon must be somewhere else.

I deleted the cache dir of josm en restart but do not get the icon.
I start josm from server idem same icon missing.


If it sounds like a bug, the best idea is to open a JOSM ticket
 to get it corrected for everybody.
They will welcome you!

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

Hi,

I also think a tool like this could improve the way we do thinks but as the
person personally funding the website and some other small things for
OSM-BE I am not in favour of setting up another tool while there are some
great tools available at no cost online.

If somebody can answer these two questions I would also go for any
free-software plan in a hearbeat:

- Funding/sponsoring for hosting.
- Person or persons mainting/updating/installing and configuring.

I'm even considering getting rid of drupal at this point and going another
way because I spend a lot of time on it because it needs updates twice a
week and I have better things to do. Not to mention the spam and security
concerns I have to deal with.

I also agree with Marc Verwerft that we need to define better what we want
from a tool like this.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] On Wheels

2015-03-17 Thread Pieter-Jan Pauwels

Hi Ben,

Excellent :) That’s the nuance I wanted to hear. 
Then we’re on the same page here. 

Good luck in contacting them. 

Kind regards,
Pieter-Jan

Pieter-Jan Pauwels
Community Coordinator, Open Knowledge Belgium
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> On 17 Mar 2015, at 12:27, Ben Abelshausen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Pieter-Jan,
> 
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Pieter-Jan Pauwels 
> mailto:pieter-jan.pauw...@okfn.org>> wrote:
> So before we start taking out the pitchforks and scream 'stop monetising 
> crowdsourcing', let’s us approach them in an inviting way. See if we can help 
> them in any way and see what their endgame is. Maybe we’ll not be able to 
> help them in short term, but we’ll have a friend organisation and new 
> ambassadors in the long run. 
> 
> No pitchforks here, my opinion is my personal one about a hypothetical 
> situation that has not happened yet and will most likely not happen.
> 
> I do think that ethics should be independent of ones dependency on funds or 
> business models. If planning out a business model would exempt me of all 
> ethics-related conderations then I think there is a bit of a problem. 
> 
> That being said, it is possible that the collection of this kind of data 
> needs to facilitated better than we have done as an OSM-community, and if the 
> needed funding can only come from a business model that keeps the data closed 
> then so be it. But I don't believe that to be the case either.
> 
> I also think it's a bad option to keep my opinion to myself because it may 
> offend future partners. I hope we can cooperate with them even when they know 
> of my personal opinion about the matter. Mine may even be different from our 
> community-viewpoint.
> 
> I'm also not claiming that any of the above remarks apply to their (future) 
> way of doing things because I have never spoken to any of the people 
> involved. I'm just voicing my fear about the matter because we have never 
> been contacted and part of our community is try to collect exactly the same 
> data.
> 
> The obvious next step is to contact them and ask them how we can help them 
> improve open accesibility data. I think we can all agree on that! :-)
> 
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
> Best regards,
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] On Wheels

Hi Pieter-Jan,

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Pieter-Jan Pauwels <
pieter-jan.pauw...@okfn.org> wrote:

> So before we start taking out the pitchforks and scream 'stop monetising
> crowdsourcing', let's us approach them in an inviting way. See if we can
> help them in any way and see what their endgame is. Maybe we'll not be able
> to help them in short term, but we'll have a friend organisation and new
> ambassadors in the long run.

No pitchforks here, my opinion is my personal one about a hypothetical
situation that has not happened yet and will most likely not happen.

I do think that ethics should be independent of ones dependency on funds or
business models. If planning out a business model would exempt me of all
ethics-related conderations then I think there is a bit of a problem.

That being said, it is possible that the collection of this kind of data
needs to facilitated better than we have done as an OSM-community, and if
the needed funding can only come from a business model that keeps the data
closed then so be it. But I don't believe that to be the case either.

I also think it's a bad option to keep my opinion to myself because it may
offend future partners. I hope we can cooperate with them even when they
know of my personal opinion about the matter. Mine may even be different
from our community-viewpoint.

I'm also not claiming that any of the above remarks apply to their (future)
way of doing things because I have never spoken to any of the people
involved. I'm just voicing my fear about the matter because we have never
been contacted and part of our community is try to collect exactly the same
data.

The obvious next step is to contact them and ask them how we can help them
improve open accesibility data. I think we can all agree on that! :-)

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Best regards,

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] overheid - routing - forum

hola, marc gij zijt wa rap voor mij... :-)

reactie is al gepost!

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2015-03-17 11:24 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis :

> Ben,
>
> kijk eens naar http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=30448
> ik denk dat jij daar iets zinniger kan over zeggen dan ik
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[OSM-talk-be] overheid - routing - forum

Ben,

kijk eens naar http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=30448
ik denk dat jij daar iets zinniger kan over zeggen dan ik

mvg

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Icon error josm 8109

2015-03-17 Thread André Pirard

On 2015-03-17 10:52, Jakka wrote :
> @André possible but what can I do? import or move something..
> https://josm.openstreetmap.de/changeset/7967/josm
> these icon must be somewhere else.
>
> I deleted the cache dir of josm en restart but do not get the icon.
> I start josm from server idem same icon missing.

If it sounds like a bug, the best idea is to open a JOSM ticket
 to get it corrected for everybody.
They will welcome you!

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Icon error josm 8109

2015-03-17 Thread Jakka

André Pirard schreef op 17/03/2015 om 0:58:

On 2015-03-16 20:33, Marc Gemis wrote :

An incomplete answer.

The icons are always part of a style. Some icons can be found in the
default style.
Other styles that you have downloaded can be found in
~/Library/Caches/JOSM (on a Mac).
They have names such as
"mirror_https___josm.openstreetmap.de_josmfile_page_Styles_Lane_and_Road_Attributes_zip_1"

I have no idea in which style the icon that you are looking for can be
found.

I had some problems with the above style, which had "http" in its name
and was missing "_zip_1". Maybe because I had installed it a long time
ago. The updates didn't work. I had to remove the file from my cache
directory. This was the only way to resolve a missing bus icon.

regards

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Jakka
mailto:vdmfrank...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,

One icon power tower are white in editor screen.
In dos screen bij startup shows
"fout: lokaliseren van afbeelding
'icons/power_tower_high2.n.16.png' mislukt"
this error is for every icons on the demanded tile

Where are those icons located?
versie:JOSM 8109 windows
josm-tested.jar

Would your issue be related to changeset 7967
moving the icons?

* images_nodist/icons/power_tower_high2.n.16.png

/(moved from trunk/images/icons/power_tower_high2.n.16.png

*
images_nodist/icons/power_tower_low.n.16.png

/(moved from trunk/images/icons/power_tower_low.n.16.png

André.

@André possible but what can I do? import or move something..
https://josm.openstreetmap.de/changeset/7967/josm

these icon must be somewhere else.

I deleted the cache dir of josm en restart but do not get the icon.
I start josm from server idem same icon missing.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

2015-03-17 Thread Marc Verwerft

My 2 cents ...

The subject title says 'project follow up'.

The most important question is probably: why do you need it? Tell the list
what you're trying to achieve and how a project tool could help. What can
be defined as project here? And which aspects of that project do you want
to track?

For example: could these threads be seen as projects?
- Simpele button in josm

- Adressen via AGIV


Or do you talk about other 'projects'? If so, a short example would be nice.

Do you want to know:
- who's working on it
- who's responsible
- how long will it take
- is there money/material needed to complete the task? If yes, how will you
follow it up?
- what's the urgency/priority/risk
- any dependencies?
- whether it can be split up in different subprojects, etc.

And *who* will do the follow up of all this tasks?

As long as you don't agree on these, then it's probably futile to discuss
which tool is the better/easier/free-er/cheaper/... one.

First agree on the purpose, then on the means.

Regards,

Marc Verwerft

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Julien Fastré  wrote:

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> Jo: Odoo is an ERP: do you think we have the need for accoutancy,
> products management,  ??
>
> We run Odoo at Champs Libres and the problem is their model is quite
> closed. Of course, the code is open source, but they regularly decide
> that their software need an "upgrade", and the upgrade cost a lot of
> money (around 1k€)...
>
> Not affordable for us: we are considering to migrate to tryton
> (http://www.tryton.org/)
>
> Julien
>
> Le 17/03/15 10:00, Jo a écrit :
> > If you want to do it with free software all the way, consider
> > Odoo...
> >
> > We can even test it, they provide it as a free cloud service. Of
> > course, you'll have somebody breathing down your neck to upgrade
> > your account...
> >
> > It is possible to install it on your own server and with greenodoo
> > it's not even hard to do. But then we'll have the problem of
> > needing a dedicated server for it, just like for trac. It needs
> > Python and a PostgreSQL database.
> >
> > Jo
> >
> >
> >
> > 2015-03-17 9:33 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Pettiaux  > >:
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > Trello me be good, but if we depend on an exterior actor for
> > something we could do ourselves with free software, I would rather
> > NOT use it.
> >
> > Please consider trac with its plugins, unless (which I doubt) it
> > is difficult to install/maintain/use.
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Adressen via AGIV Crab

Net deze [1] nog eens laten lopen. Blijkbaar heeft er iemand al een boel
ontbrekende grenzen toegevoegd sinds ik ermee gestopt ben.
Enkel Sint-Truiden, Lanaken, Bilzen en Maasmechelen blijken nog te
ontbreken.

m.




[1] http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/8ed

2015-03-17 10:30 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere :

> Oh, da's jammer.
>
> Misschien kunnen de adrespunten gebruikt worden om de postcodegrenzen te
> schatten? Ziet iemand dit zitten?
>
> Groeten,
> Sander
>
>
>
> Op 17 maart 2015 06:49 schreef Marc Gemis :
>
> In Limburg ontbreken nog veel postcode grenzen omdat er nog veel
>> deelgemeente grenzen ontbreken.
>> Dikwijls vallen die grenzen samen. 'k ben daar dus moeten stoppen met het
>> toevoegen van postcode grenzen
>>
>> m
>>
>> 2015-03-17 0:37 GMT+01:00 Erik Beerten :
>>
>>>  Voor Sint-Truiden zijn er nog geen postcode grenzen vastgelegd.
>>> Naast 3800 zijn ook 3803 en 3806 postcodes in Sint-Truiden.
>>> En er zijn veel deelgemeenten.
>>>
>>> Groeten,
>>>
>>> Erik
>>>
>>> Op 16-03-15 om 22:51 schreef Sander Deryckere:
>>>
>>> Mijn eerste idee is dat er iets fout is met de grenzen. De postcode
>>> grens is nodig om de correcte adressen uit OSM te halen. Als die ontbreekt,
>>> of niet correct is, dan kan overpass geen adressen vinden, waardoor alle
>>> staten dus op 0 blijven staan.
>>>
>>> Ik zal morgen eens kijken naar die grenzen, maar het probleem kan nog
>>> een eindje blijven bestaan. Overpass is niet zo snel met het updaten van
>>> gebieden als met het updaten van andere objecten, omdat het wat meer
>>> rekenkracht vraagt om vanuit een OSM relatie een geografisch gebied te
>>> maken. Ik verwacht dat er dus enkele dagen vertraging op kunnen zitten.
>>>
>>> Groeten,
>>> Sander
>>> Op 16-mrt.-2015 21:09 schreef "Guy Vanvuchelen" <
>>> guy.vanvuche...@gmail.com>:
>>>
  De laatste maanden maak ik dankbaar gebruik van de mogelijkheid om
 adressen in te brengen. Iemand maakte mij de opmerking dat in Sint-Truiden
 geen enkel adres ingebracht is. Daar wilde ik wel iets aan doen. Dus begon
 ik met de straat met de meeste adressen: de Luikersteenweg. Voor wie die
 straat kent, het was met niet te doen om de ‘uitstalramen’! Nadat ik een
 honderdtal adressen ingebracht had wilde ik bewijzen dat de teller niet
 meer op nul stond…maar er was niets gewijzigd. Dan heb ik enkele straten
 met weinig (of slechts 1 huis) ingebracht maar ook nu blijkt er niets te
 wijzigen. Eigenaardig genoeg kwam ik straten tegen waar slechts één huis
 ontbreekt terwijl er wel 20 huizen ontbreken (Halingenstraat bijvoorbeeld).

 Kan iemand dat verklaren? Sint-Truiden heeft postcode 3800.



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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Adressen via AGIV Crab

2015-03-17 Thread Sander Deryckere

Oh, da's jammer.

Misschien kunnen de adrespunten gebruikt worden om de postcodegrenzen te
schatten? Ziet iemand dit zitten?

Groeten,
Sander



Op 17 maart 2015 06:49 schreef Marc Gemis :

> In Limburg ontbreken nog veel postcode grenzen omdat er nog veel
> deelgemeente grenzen ontbreken.
> Dikwijls vallen die grenzen samen. 'k ben daar dus moeten stoppen met het
> toevoegen van postcode grenzen
>
> m
>
> 2015-03-17 0:37 GMT+01:00 Erik Beerten :
>
>>  Voor Sint-Truiden zijn er nog geen postcode grenzen vastgelegd.
>> Naast 3800 zijn ook 3803 en 3806 postcodes in Sint-Truiden.
>> En er zijn veel deelgemeenten.
>>
>> Groeten,
>>
>> Erik
>>
>> Op 16-03-15 om 22:51 schreef Sander Deryckere:
>>
>> Mijn eerste idee is dat er iets fout is met de grenzen. De postcode grens
>> is nodig om de correcte adressen uit OSM te halen. Als die ontbreekt, of
>> niet correct is, dan kan overpass geen adressen vinden, waardoor alle
>> staten dus op 0 blijven staan.
>>
>> Ik zal morgen eens kijken naar die grenzen, maar het probleem kan nog een
>> eindje blijven bestaan. Overpass is niet zo snel met het updaten van
>> gebieden als met het updaten van andere objecten, omdat het wat meer
>> rekenkracht vraagt om vanuit een OSM relatie een geografisch gebied te
>> maken. Ik verwacht dat er dus enkele dagen vertraging op kunnen zitten.
>>
>> Groeten,
>> Sander
>> Op 16-mrt.-2015 21:09 schreef "Guy Vanvuchelen" <
>> guy.vanvuche...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>>  De laatste maanden maak ik dankbaar gebruik van de mogelijkheid om
>>> adressen in te brengen. Iemand maakte mij de opmerking dat in Sint-Truiden
>>> geen enkel adres ingebracht is. Daar wilde ik wel iets aan doen. Dus begon
>>> ik met de straat met de meeste adressen: de Luikersteenweg. Voor wie die
>>> straat kent, het was met niet te doen om de ‘uitstalramen’! Nadat ik een
>>> honderdtal adressen ingebracht had wilde ik bewijzen dat de teller niet
>>> meer op nul stond…maar er was niets gewijzigd. Dan heb ik enkele straten
>>> met weinig (of slechts 1 huis) ingebracht maar ook nu blijkt er niets te
>>> wijzigen. Eigenaardig genoeg kwam ik straten tegen waar slechts één huis
>>> ontbreekt terwijl er wel 20 huizen ontbreken (Halingenstraat bijvoorbeeld).
>>>
>>> Kan iemand dat verklaren? Sint-Truiden heeft postcode 3800.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Guy Vanvuchelen
>>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

2015-03-17 Thread Julien Fastré

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Jo: Odoo is an ERP: do you think we have the need for accoutancy,
products management,  ??

We run Odoo at Champs Libres and the problem is their model is quite
closed. Of course, the code is open source, but they regularly decide
that their software need an "upgrade", and the upgrade cost a lot of
money (around 1k€)...

Not affordable for us: we are considering to migrate to tryton
(http://www.tryton.org/)

Julien

Le 17/03/15 10:00, Jo a écrit :
> If you want to do it with free software all the way, consider
> Odoo...
> 
> We can even test it, they provide it as a free cloud service. Of
> course, you'll have somebody breathing down your neck to upgrade
> your account...
> 
> It is possible to install it on your own server and with greenodoo
> it's not even hard to do. But then we'll have the problem of
> needing a dedicated server for it, just like for trac. It needs
> Python and a PostgreSQL database.
> 
> Jo
> 
> 
> 
> 2015-03-17 9:33 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Pettiaux  >:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> Trello me be good, but if we depend on an exterior actor for 
> something we could do ourselves with free software, I would rather 
> NOT use it.
> 
> Please consider trac with its plugins, unless (which I doubt) it
> is difficult to install/maintain/use.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Nicolas
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

since we already have a Drupal server running, why don't we look for
something that integrates with that ?

https://www.drupal.org/project/pm  is something I just found.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Jo  wrote:

> If you want to do it with free software all the way, consider Odoo...
>
> We can even test it, they provide it as a free cloud service. Of course,
> you'll have somebody breathing down your neck to upgrade your account...
>
> It is possible to install it on your own server and with greenodoo it's
> not even hard to do. But then we'll have the problem of needing a dedicated
> server for it, just like for trac. It needs Python and a PostgreSQL
> database.
>
> Jo
>
>
>
> 2015-03-17 9:33 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Pettiaux :
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Trello me be good, but if we depend on an exterior actor for something we
>> could do ourselves with free software, I would rather NOT use it.
>>
>> Please consider trac with its plugins, unless (which I doubt) it is
>> difficult to install/maintain/use.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Nicolas
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

Amazon has a free tier plan , you can launch a ec2 instance for free ,
it will not be cpu/io intensive.

http://aws.amazon.com/

On 17-03-15 10:00, Jo wrote:
> If you want to do it with free software all the way, consider Odoo...
> 
> We can even test it, they provide it as a free cloud service. Of course,
> you'll have somebody breathing down your neck to upgrade your account...
> 
> It is possible to install it on your own server and with greenodoo it's
> not even hard to do. But then we'll have the problem of needing a
> dedicated server for it, just like for trac. It needs Python and a
> PostgreSQL database.
> 
> Jo
> 
> 
> 
> 2015-03-17 9:33 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Pettiaux  >:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> Trello me be good, but if we depend on an exterior actor for
> something we could do ourselves with free software, I would rather
> NOT use it.
> 
> Please consider trac with its plugins, unless (which I doubt) it is
> difficult to install/maintain/use.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Nicolas
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

2015-03-17 Thread Jo

If you want to do it with free software all the way, consider Odoo...

We can even test it, they provide it as a free cloud service. Of course,
you'll have somebody breathing down your neck to upgrade your account...

It is possible to install it on your own server and with greenodoo it's not
even hard to do. But then we'll have the problem of needing a dedicated
server for it, just like for trac. It needs Python and a PostgreSQL
database.

Jo



2015-03-17 9:33 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Pettiaux :

> Dear all,
>
> Trello me be good, but if we depend on an exterior actor for something we
> could do ourselves with free software, I would rather NOT use it.
>
> Please consider trac with its plugins, unless (which I doubt) it is
> difficult to install/maintain/use.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nicolas
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

2015-03-17 Thread Julien Fastré

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Some alternatives :
http://alternativeto.net/software/trello/?license=opensource

I like loomio (https://www.loomio.org/) : very simple for beginners.
But the goal of loomio is to help group take decision, not to follow
up project - I am not sure this is what we are looking for, but it
worth mentioning it :-)

Julien

Le 17/03/15 09:33, Nicolas Pettiaux a écrit :
> Dear all,
> 
> Trello me be good, but if we depend on an exterior actor for
> something we could do ourselves with free software, I would rather
> NOT use it.
> 
> Please consider trac with its plugins, unless (which I doubt) it
> is difficult to install/maintain/use.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Nicolas
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