Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bruxelles centre : nouveau piétonnier

[Matthieu Gaillet]

Inderdaad. Het feit is dat die nieuwe zone nog geen naam heeft. Men heeft wel 
van Timesquareke of Yvan Mayeur Plein gepraat maar niks officieel yet :-)


> On 28 Jun 2015, at 08:36, Jo  wrote:
> 
> Zo 't is gebeurd. Aangezien ik een validation error kreeg, heb 'k er maar 
> meteen een multipolygon van gemaakt. Ik vraag me wel af, of het nodig is om 
> daar een name op te zetten. Dat zal niet nieuw blijven en gewoon Piétonnier - 
> Voetgangerszone is eerder een beschrijving dan een name.
> 
> Groeten,
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bruxelles centre : nouveau piétonnier

[Nicolas Pettiaux]

Much thanks for the idea and the work.

How can the new "pietonnier" be viewed on OSM ?

Is is finished yet ? If not, when will it probably be ?

What remains to be done ?

How could I help ?

Shouldn't we celebrate, and doing so for example, map explicitely every 
bar and restaurant in the center of Brussels, and while doing so, write 
down some important information about such places : their names, 
specialities, opening times, website, telephone number, accessibility 
info, kind of food served or of beer served ... ?


Should we write a press release to inform the users that OSM-be is ready 
for the new arrangement and is probably the first online map to be so. 
So it should also work for routting.


I have started https://annuel.framapad.org/p/PsmBxl20150628 and I would 
like some help for the content (to be sure to write something that is 
true) and the translation to English and Flemisch


Nicolas

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bruxelles centre : nouveau piétonnier

[Nicolas Pettiaux]

I love it.

The map on http://plandecirculation.be/fr
is based on OSM and invites explicitely to edit.

Shall write it in the communiqué de presse

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Cycle surveying party in Brussels ?

[Nicolas Pettiaux]

 

L'idée est excellente et doit être poursuivie par celui qui en a
l'énergie. 

Lors de la rencontre mapping party à ESI le samedi 24 avril dernier, le
président du Gracq était personnellement présent et il s'est montré
intéressé. Très même. 

Mais il faut, et personnellement je suis trop occupé pour pouvoir
prendre en charge ce projet, le recontacter et faire des propositions
précises au gracq de ce qui pourrait être fait avec eux : par exemple
dans un premier temps écrire un papier de présentation et d'explication
dans la gazette du gracq expliquant le projet et renvoyant vers des
vidéos et des séminaires où la formation serait effectivement faire. 

Qu'en pensez-vous ? 

Nicolas 

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bruxelles centre : nouveau piétonnier

[Matthieu Gaillet]

Thanks Nicolas.

It’s done at 95% from the cars and pedestrian point of view but would need many 
improvements regarding the public transport and bicycles  for their respective 
infrastructures an itineraries which were extensively modified and require much 
more (more difficult) work. I prefer to wait for the actual realisation of the 
pedestrian zone to go on site surveying because lot of details are missing or 
unclear on the website.

I’ll review the press release and amend it if I feel so. Thanks for doing it !!

Matthieu


 28 Jun 2015, at 12:41, Nicolas Pettiaux  wrote:
> 
> Much thanks for the idea and the work.
> 
> How can the new "pietonnier" be viewed on OSM ?
> 
> Is is finished yet ? If not, when will it probably be ?
> 
> What remains to be done ?
> 
> How could I help ?
> 
> Shouldn't we celebrate, and doing so for example, map explicitely every bar 
> and restaurant in the center of Brussels, and while doing so, write down some 
> important information about such places : their names, specialities, opening 
> times, website, telephone number, accessibility info, kind of food served or 
> of beer served ... ?
> 
> Should we write a press release to inform the users that OSM-be is ready for 
> the new arrangement and is probably the first online map to be so. So it 
> should also work for routting.
> 
> I have started https://annuel.framapad.org/p/PsmBxl20150628 and I would like 
> some help for the content (to be sure to write something that is true) and 
> the translation to English and Flemisch
> 
> Nicolas
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Cycle surveying party in Brussels ?

[Matthieu Gaillet]

Merci à tous pour vos commentaires bien utiles.

Je suis moi-même membre du Gracq et responsable de la locale de Bxl-Ville 
(actuellement en sommeil, ce serait d’ailleurs, avec le nouveau piétonnier, une 
bonne manière de la sortir de sa léthargie) et j’ai donc de bon contacts avec 
l’association.

Très bonne idée que de passer par la gazette du Gracq. Je me renseigne pour 
savoir quand sort la prochaine édition. Cependant, je pense pouvoir être moteur 
sur ce projet mais uniquement sur le mois qui vient. En septembre je risque 
d’être débordé. Je vais donc tenter de lancer le projet à l’arrache, on verra 
s’il y a du répondant.

Sur la question d’utiliser Mapillary à vélo, mon idée était de se focaliser sur 
les éléments relevants pour le mapping : à savoir surtout début et fin des 
pistes et aménagements, carrefours, etc… Pas besoin donc de le faire forcément 
avec un support.
Personnellement je dispose d’un support pour vélo et le mode voiture 
(automatique) fonctionne bien. Voir par exemple la série 
https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/9wy9vDIaoEi-TP3DxkrJMA 


Matthieu

> On 28 Jun 2015, at 12:47, Nicolas Pettiaux  wrote:
> 
> L'idée est excellente et doit être poursuivie par celui qui en a l'énergie.
> 
> Lors de la rencontre mapping party à ESI le samedi 24 avril dernier, le 
> président du Gracq était personnellement présent et il s'est montré 
> intéressé. Très même.
> 
> Mais il faut, et personnellement je suis trop occupé pour pouvoir prendre en 
> charge ce projet, le recontacter et faire des propositions précises au gracq 
> de ce qui pourrait être fait avec eux : par exemple dans un premier temps 
> écrire un papier de présentation et d'explication dans la gazette du gracq 
> expliquant le projet et renvoyant vers des vidéos et des séminaires où la 
> formation serait effectivement faire.
> 
> Qu'en pensez-vous ?
> 
> Nicolas
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bruxelles centre : nouveau piétonnier

[Jo]

I think Matthieu already did the parts that apply to the streets themselves.

Adding the POIs should be a continuous effort. It's really hard to that
properly in a hurry.

Philippe's efforts to Mapillary the streets of Brussels can be a lot help
for it and the Mapillary plugin for JOSM is already functional enough for
it as well.

Philippe managed to cover a lot of ground, really impressive! My style of
making pictures is a bit different. I tend to stop and make close ups of
opening hours and other details I consider interesting enough to map
afterwards. But walking through the streets pointing a cell phone as a
camera already makes one receive a lot of strange looks when you simply go
forward and the way I do it, it's impossible to advance properly.

Also doing it that way does not produce a smooth viewing experience when
flicking through the picture sequences.

Anyway, compromises are always hard.

Maybe you can organise another mapping party? And this time we actually go
out into the streets. I'm not sure how to go about the surveying + data
entry in just a few hours. Maybe it would be better to organise a series of
mapping parties with 2 weeks inbetween each one. The first for surveying,
the next for entering the data or help out if they tried themselves and
encountered problems along the way.

Then another one surveying, this time around they know already what they
want to pay attention to.


Jo


2015-06-28 12:41 GMT+02:00 Nicolas Pettiaux :

> Much thanks for the idea and the work.
>
> How can the new "pietonnier" be viewed on OSM ?
>
> Is is finished yet ? If not, when will it probably be ?
>
> What remains to be done ?
>
> How could I help ?
>
> Shouldn't we celebrate, and doing so for example, map explicitely every
> bar and restaurant in the center of Brussels, and while doing so, write
> down some important information about such places : their names,
> specialities, opening times, website, telephone number, accessibility info,
> kind of food served or of beer served ... ?
>
> Should we write a press release to inform the users that OSM-be is ready
> for the new arrangement and is probably the first online map to be so. So
> it should also work for routting.
>
> I have started https://annuel.framapad.org/p/PsmBxl20150628 and I would
> like some help for the content (to be sure to write something that is true)
> and the translation to English and Flemisch
>
> Nicolas
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bruxelles centre : nouveau piétonnier

[Jo]

I already amended the itineraries of De Lijn. I'm still waiting for
permission of STIB/MIVB to use their data. In the mean time I occasionally
fix/upgrade their routes, but it's a lot harder to do without data from
upstream, so it's not a priority for me. OTOH, this might be a good
occasion to tackle them. Matthieu just holler if you'd like me to get you
up to speed. I have quite a few tricks up my sleeve to make the job easier
to accomplish. (map styles, scripts, filter rules, where the tram rails are
(from Urbis), etc.)

Jo

2015-06-28 13:05 GMT+02:00 Matthieu Gaillet :

>
> Thanks Nicolas.
>
> It’s done at 95% from the cars and pedestrian point of view but would need
> many improvements regarding the public transport and bicycles  for their
> respective infrastructures an itineraries which were extensively modified
> and require much more (more difficult) work. I prefer to wait for the
> actual realisation of the pedestrian zone to go on site surveying because
> lot of details are missing or unclear on the website.
>
> I’ll review the press release and amend it if I feel so. Thanks for doing
> it !!
>
> Matthieu
>
>
>  28 Jun 2015, at 12:41, Nicolas Pettiaux  wrote:
> >
> > Much thanks for the idea and the work.
> >
> > How can the new "pietonnier" be viewed on OSM ?
> >
> > Is is finished yet ? If not, when will it probably be ?
> >
> > What remains to be done ?
> >
> > How could I help ?
> >
> > Shouldn't we celebrate, and doing so for example, map explicitely every
> bar and restaurant in the center of Brussels, and while doing so, write
> down some important information about such places : their names,
> specialities, opening times, website, telephone number, accessibility info,
> kind of food served or of beer served ... ?
> >
> > Should we write a press release to inform the users that OSM-be is ready
> for the new arrangement and is probably the first online map to be so. So
> it should also work for routting.
> >
> > I have started https://annuel.framapad.org/p/PsmBxl20150628 and I would
> like some help for the content (to be sure to write something that is true)
> and the translation to English and Flemisch
> >
> > Nicolas
> >
> > --
> > Nicolas Pettiaux, phd  - nico...@pettiaux.be
> > Open@work - Une société libre utilise des outils libres
> >
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> Google ou Oracle, c'est comme leur apprendre à fumer. C'est leur donner une
> habitude coûteuse, dangereuse et dont ils se déferont difficilement.»
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bruxelles centre : nouveau piétonnier

[Matthieu Gaillet]

Of course I’m ! :-)

I’ll get back to you later. Regarding the stib data I think that as Nicolas 
said the fact that they were using Mapbox with an OSM layer is an invitation to 
map. But maybe I’ve a slightly too liberal interpretation of the Openness of 
data :-)

Matthieu

> On 28 Jun 2015, at 13:11, Jo  wrote:
> 
> I already amended the itineraries of De Lijn. I'm still waiting for 
> permission of STIB/MIVB to use their data. In the mean time I occasionally 
> fix/upgrade their routes, but it's a lot harder to do without data from 
> upstream, so it's not a priority for me. OTOH, this might be a good occasion 
> to tackle them. Matthieu just holler if you'd like me to get you up to speed. 
> I have quite a few tricks up my sleeve to make the job easier to accomplish. 
> (map styles, scripts, filter rules, where the tram rails are (from Urbis), 
> etc.)
> 
> Jo
> 
> 2015-06-28 13:05 GMT+02:00 Matthieu Gaillet  >:
> 
> Thanks Nicolas.
> 
> It’s done at 95% from the cars and pedestrian point of view but would need 
> many improvements regarding the public transport and bicycles  for their 
> respective infrastructures an itineraries which were extensively modified and 
> require much more (more difficult) work. I prefer to wait for the actual 
> realisation of the pedestrian zone to go on site surveying because lot of 
> details are missing or unclear on the website.
> 
> I’ll review the press release and amend it if I feel so. Thanks for doing it 
> !!
> 
> Matthieu
> 
> 
>  28 Jun 2015, at 12:41, Nicolas Pettiaux  > wrote:
> >
> > Much thanks for the idea and the work.
> >
> > How can the new "pietonnier" be viewed on OSM ?
> >
> > Is is finished yet ? If not, when will it probably be ?
> >
> > What remains to be done ?
> >
> > How could I help ?
> >
> > Shouldn't we celebrate, and doing so for example, map explicitely every bar 
> > and restaurant in the center of Brussels, and while doing so, write down 
> > some important information about such places : their names, specialities, 
> > opening times, website, telephone number, accessibility info, kind of food 
> > served or of beer served ... ?
> >
> > Should we write a press release to inform the users that OSM-be is ready 
> > for the new arrangement and is probably the first online map to be so. So 
> > it should also work for routting.
> >
> > I have started https://annuel.framapad.org/p/PsmBxl20150628 
> >  and I would like some help 
> > for the content (to be sure to write something that is true) and the 
> > translation to English and Flemisch
> >
> > Nicolas
> >
> > --
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> > Google ou Oracle, c'est comme leur apprendre à fumer. C'est leur donner une 
> > habitude coûteuse, dangereuse et dont ils se déferont difficilement.» 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Programme du Users Club UrbIS du 11 juin 2015 / Programma voor de UrbIS Users Club van 11 juni 2015

[Nicolas Pettiaux]

Le 2015-06-12 9:43, Julien Fastré a écrit :

Hi !

I had a presentation yesterday. It was very fine, the audience reach 
+/-

100 peoples from different administration of Brussels Capital Regio.

Here are the slides :
http://fr.slideshare.net/Julienfastre/openstreetmap-et-urbis-urbis-user-club-11-juin-201511-juni-2015


Bravo Julien et grand merci.

Je lis que 630 batiments de Bruxelles ville ne sont pas dans OSM.

Je propose l'organisation d'une cartopartie à Bruxelles ville en août ou 
septembre pour mapper ces batiments qui manque. Et faire cela avec la 
participation et le soutien de 1/ la ville de Bruxelles
2/ de l'association du tourisme de Bruxelles, 3/ de l'association des 
brasseurs et restaurateurs bruxellois, 4/ du Gracq.


Qu'en pensez-vous ?

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bruxelles centre : nouveau piétonnier (Jo)

[Philippe Casteleyn]

De weerslag van het fotograferen in Brussel is gekomen : ik heb een collega op 
kantoor die een schijnaanval uitvoerde een bloedlip bezorgd.




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> I think Matthieu already did the parts that apply to the streets themselves.
> 
> Adding the POIs should be a continuous effort. It's really hard to that
> properly in a hurry.
> 
> Philippe's efforts to Mapillary the streets of Brussels can be a lot help
> for it and the Mapillary plugin for JOSM is already functional enough for
> it as well.
> 
> Philippe managed to cover a lot of ground, really impressive! My style of
> making pictures is a bit different. I tend to stop and make close ups of
> opening hours and other details I consider interesting enough to map
> afterwards. But walking through the streets pointing a cell phone as a
> camera already makes one receive a lot of strange looks when you simply go
> forward and the way I do it, it's impossible to advance properly.
> 
> Also doing it that way does not produce a smooth viewing experience when
> flicking through the picture sequences.
> 
> Anyway, compromises are always hard.
> 
> Maybe you can organise another mapping party? And this time we actually go
> out into the streets. I'm not sure how to go about the surveying + data
> entry in just a few hours. Maybe it would be better to organise a series of
> mapping parties with 2 weeks inbetween each one. The first for surveying,
> the next for entering the data or help out if they tried themselves and
> encountered problems along the way.
> 
> Then another one surveying, this time around they know already what they
> want to pay attention to.
> 
> 
> Jo
> 
> 
> 2015-06-28 12:41 GMT+02:00 Nicolas Pettiaux :
> 
> > Much thanks for the idea and the work.
> >
> > How can the new "pietonnier" be viewed on OSM ?
> >
> > Is is finished yet ? If not, when will it probably be ?
> >
> > What remains to be done ?
> >
> > How could I help ?
> >
> > Shouldn't we celebrate, and doing so for example, map explicitely every
> > bar and restaurant in the center of Brussels, and while doing so, write
> > down some important information about such places : their names,
> > specialities, opening times, website, telephone number, accessibility info,
> > kind of food served or of beer served ... ?
> >
> > Should we write a press release to inform the users that OSM-be is ready
> > for the new arrangement and is probably the first online map to be so. So
> > it should also work for routting.
> >
> > I have started https://annuel.framapad.org/p/PsmBxl20150628 and I would
> > like some help for the content (to be sure to write something that is true)
> > and the translation to English and Flemisch
> >
> > Nicolas
> >
> > --
> > Nicolas Pettiaux, phd  - nico...@pettiaux.be
> > Open@work - Une société libre utilise des outils libres
> >
> > «Apprendre aux élèves à utiliser les produits privateurs de Microsoft,
> > Google ou Oracle, c'est comme leur apprendre à fumer. C'est leur donner une
> > habitude coûteuse, dangereuse et dont ils se déferont difficilement.»
> > Richard Stallman
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