Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Naangeving POI

[Marc Gemis]

2016-04-27 13:44 GMT+02:00 Jo :
> AD Delhaize is er al een paar jaar. Die merger van AHold met Delhaize is
> toch recenter, of vergis ik me? Maar ik weet dus niet waar die AD voor
> staat.

Inderdaad, zie

https://nl.delhaize.be/nl-be/onze-winkels/onze-winkelformules/ad-delhaize

Wat is AD Delhaize?

De AD-formule zag het licht in 1984 en telde eind 2006 193
verkooppunten in België en Luxemburg. De oppervlakte van deze
supermarkten bedraagt gemiddeld 1200 m2. De zelfstandige uitbaters van
deze winkels kunnen niet alleen terugvallen op een naam die staat voor
kwaliteit, maar krijgen ook de steun van Delhaize op het gebied van
knowhow, logistiek, informaticaondersteuning, reclamecommunicatie en
instrumenten voor klantencontacten, zoals de plus-kaart.


Dus

name = AD Merchtem
brand = AD Delhaize
operator =  (maar niet Delhaize)

m

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Re: [Talk-br] Objeto exibido apenas em zoom muito próximo

[lucas costa]

Opa, obrigado Adriano pela dica :) ... e também esclarecendo melhor,
Nelson, mas o problema da exibição está no OpenSeaMap. Usei o JOSM pra
colocar a referência para navegação, que é a igreja. Mas na página do OSeaM
exibe o objeto apenas em uma única escala de zoom (imagem exibição).

Repare nas imagens a seguir...

http://imageshack.com/a/img923/3225/NHP8nB.png

http://imageshack.com/a/img921/3213/ek2Ipn.png


http://imageshack.com/a/img923/8819/LdhfJl.png

Fico curioso porque duas feições com as mesmas características de tags são
exibidas tão distintamente...

Em 27 de abril de 2016 22:23, lucas costa  escreveu:

> Opa, obrigado Adriano pela dica :) ... e também esclarecendo melhor,
> Nelson, mas o problema da exibição está no OpenSeaMap. Usei o JOSM pra
> colocar a referência para navegação, que é a igreja. Mas na página do OSeaM
> exibe o objeto apenas em uma única escala de zoom (imagem exibição).
>
> Repare nas imagens a seguir, printscreen do programa...
>
> Fico curioso porque duas feições com as mesmas características de tags são
> exibidas tão distintamente...
>
> Em 27 de abril de 2016 22:14, Nelson A. de Oliveira 
> escreveu:
>
>> 2016-04-27 22:12 GMT-03:00 Adriano Rosa :
>> > um não estava aparecendo, porque a camada, em determinado nível de
>> zoom, não
>> > havia sido atualizada.
>>
>> Hum... tinha entendido que era no JOSM o problema.
>> Menos mal.
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Re: [Talk-br] Objeto exibido apenas em zoom muito próximo

[Nelson A. de Oliveira]

2016-04-27 22:12 GMT-03:00 Adriano Rosa :
> um não estava aparecendo, porque a camada, em determinado nível de zoom, não
> havia sido atualizada.

Hum... tinha entendido que era no JOSM o problema.
Menos mal.

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Re: [Talk-br] Objeto exibido apenas em zoom muito próximo

[Adriano Rosa]

os elementos são esses:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-26.2182/-48.6631 e
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-26.3016/-48.7590

um não estava aparecendo, porque a camada, em determinado nível de zoom,
não havia sido atualizada.

aproveitando, lucas evite usar abreviaturas no osm. por exemplo, está
abreviado o nome da rua no endereço da igreja em joinville.

Em qua, 27 de abr de 2016 às 21:58, Nelson A. de Oliveira 
escreveu:

> 2016-04-27 20:28 GMT-03:00 lucas costa :
> > em anexo imagem com as tags dos objetos... o que criei é o que não exibe
> > corretamente.
>
> Estranho que são iguais (tanto é que são reconhecidos nos presets do
> JOSM (a parte superior das tags onde diz ser igreja, endereço, etc))
>
> Tem como tirar um print de como os dois estão sendo exibidos?
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Re: [Talk-br] Objeto exibido apenas em zoom muito próximo

[Nelson A. de Oliveira]

2016-04-27 20:28 GMT-03:00 lucas costa :
> em anexo imagem com as tags dos objetos... o que criei é o que não exibe
> corretamente.

Estranho que são iguais (tanto é que são reconhecidos nos presets do
JOSM (a parte superior das tags onde diz ser igreja, endereço, etc))

Tem como tirar um print de como os dois estão sendo exibidos?

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Re: [Talk-br] Limite de cidades com distritos

[santamariense]

@Leonardo e comunidade:

Estive conversando com um exímio mapeador aqui do OSM BR, que também
trabalha no IBGE. No entender dele e conforme seus conhecimentos na
área, micro e meso não são administrativos. Mas essa é a opinião dele.
Ele também concorda que subdistritos são sim níveis administrativos.
Então embora eu queira que permaneça as micro e meso, já não tenho
tanta certeza se condizem com a tag admin_level. Acho que essa
conversa vai longe...

Porém, Leonardo, me responda: O que desqualifica as micro e meso
regiões como níveis administrativos, que não acaba por desqualificar
as Grandes Regiões (Norte, Sul, Centro-Oeste, Nordeste,...) também???

Pelo menos acho que todos concordamos que é nível administrativo
Brasil > Estado > Município... Isso ninguém discute... Espero... :)

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Re: [Talk-br] Objeto exibido apenas em zoom muito próximo

[lucas costa]

opa,
em anexo imagem com as tags dos objetos... o que criei é o que não exibe
corretamente.

estou fazendo os testes com o estilo do openseamap

Valeu!

Em 27 de abril de 2016 19:57, Nelson A. de Oliveira 
escreveu:

> 2016-04-27 19:19 GMT-03:00 lucas costa :
> > Opa Nelson, obrigado pelo esclarecimento. O estilo é o padrão do JOSM.
> Seria
> > melhor com esse outro?
>
> Não sei te dizer. Precisa testar.
>
> O estilo padrão do JOSM tem a mesma característica de qualquer outro:
> não dá para representar tudo.
> Se a tag for muito pouco utilizada ou muito específica, dificilmente
> será exibida.
>
> Tem como mandar as tags do objeto que não está sendo representado de
> forma satisfatória e as tags de outro objeto que aparece corretamente?
>
> Dependendo de como for, dá para incorporar no próprio estilo do JOSM,
> no estilo do OpenSeaMap ou usar um estilo personalizado.
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK chapter

[Dave F]

On 27/04/2016 16:11, Brian Prangle wrote:
Dave I couldn't agree more, but for a formal organisation then I'm 
afraid the bureaucratic activities are a necessary evil. I'm sure all 
of those engaged in this process are like me and would rather be out 
mapping.


Then why don't you? From the previous threads I've read it appears it's 
being established because it can rather than any actual need.


And there'll always be mappers who don't want to join any formal 
organisation, just map. Those of you like this can safey ignore us. 
Hopefully you'll still benefit from the organisation's activities 
prmoting OSM in the UK


And likewise you'll be able to benefit from the mappers who will improve 
the quality of the database, which, I /really/ believe needs to be 
iterated, is the *core* purpose of OSM.


I have a inkling I will be repeating that in future posts as I feel some 
are loosing sight of what OSM is about.


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Re: [Talk-br] Objeto exibido apenas em zoom muito próximo

[lucas costa]

Opa Nelson, obrigado pelo esclarecimento. O estilo é o padrão do JOSM.
Seria melhor com esse outro?

Em 27 de abril de 2016 14:51, Nelson A. de Oliveira 
escreveu:

> 2016-04-27 14:20 GMT-03:00 lucas costa :
> > Imagino que tenha algum campo de dados do objeto que seja possível
> > configurar o nível de zoom para exibição, só não sei como acessar isso...
>
> No objeto em si não existe definição sobre a sua exibição; é tudo
> feito pelo estilo utilizado.
> Está utilizando o estilo padrão do JOSM ou o "OpenSeaMap: Seamarks"?
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Re: [OSRM-talk] OSRM v5 Speed

[Daniel Hofmann]

Here's the v5 equivalent, reporting distance and duration, so it should be
exactly what you need:

https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/blob/master/example/example.cpp

See the v5 Spec and the libosrm C++ API (especially this one has some nice
docs! :P):

https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/wiki/Server-API-v5,-current
https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/wiki/Library-api

For v5 clone from master, grab the v5 release from Github or use this
master branch zip:

https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/archive/master.zip

Cheers,
Daniel J H

On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 9:59 PM, James Grant  wrote:

> Hi Daniel
>
> I'm running a release version of OSRM which I downloaded and compiled from
> the instructions given.
>
> The main thing I am after is the driving time and distance initially, not
> interested in alternate route or anything else. In OSRM v4 using the
> simpleclient.cpp as a base for my code, I used the following parameters:
>
> // Set up the parameters required.
> RouteParameters route_parameters;
> route_parameters.zoom_level = 18;   // no
> generalization
> route_parameters.print_instructions = false; // turn by
> turn instructions
> route_parameters.alternate_route = false;// get an
> alternate route, too
> route_parameters.geometry = false;   // retrieve
> geometry of route
> route_parameters.compression = false;// polyline
> encoding
> route_parameters.check_sum = -1;// see wiki
> route_parameters.service = "viaroute";  // that's
> routing
> route_parameters.output_format = "json";
> route_parameters.jsonp_parameter = ""; // set for jsonp
> wrapping
>
> I did try and search in the source code for the equivalent, but couldn't
> find the right source file. Found plenty of references to parseParameters
> etc but nothing that I could say for definite were the actual parameters.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> On 26-Apr-16 11:24 AM, Daniel Hofmann wrote:
>
> Yes we benchmarked v5 and v4 in
>
> https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/issues/2211
>
> found some regressions and considerably improved v5 in
>
> https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/pull/2241
>
>
> Are you running the v5 release (and not a RC)?
> What's your specific use-case?
> If you enable steps and alternatives the response is larger than in v4 and
> especially assembling all the GeoJSON objects / variants has some
> allocation issues. If that's the case, try the Polyline format.
>
> Daniel J H
>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 12:43 AM, James Grant  wrote:
>
>> Hi there.
>>
>> Has anyone done any comparisons between version 4 and 5 of OSRM speed
>> wise when looking at the C++ examples (the simpleclient.cpp and
>> example.cpp)?
>>
>> I've now built version 5 and the example.cpp but on first appearances, it
>> is slower than version 4. I will have to recompile the simpleclient.cpp
>> with the same parameters as I've currently got to directly compare speed.
>>
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Re: [Talk-it] come mappare una mini arena

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Il giorno 27 apr 2016, alle ore 19:31, Lorenzo Mastrogiacomi 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> Se è una sorta di anfiteatro potresti mettere:
> amenity=theatre
> theatre:type=amphi


mi sembra strano come tag, perché amenity=theatre è una funzione, forse 
building=amphitheatre
http://taginfo.osm.org/tags/building=amphitheatre
e
theatre:type=amphi
ma la struttura mi sembra un po' piccola ;-)

ciao,
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Re: [Talk-br] Objeto exibido apenas em zoom muito próximo

[Nelson A. de Oliveira]

2016-04-27 14:20 GMT-03:00 lucas costa :
> Imagino que tenha algum campo de dados do objeto que seja possível
> configurar o nível de zoom para exibição, só não sei como acessar isso...

No objeto em si não existe definição sobre a sua exibição; é tudo
feito pelo estilo utilizado.
Está utilizando o estilo padrão do JOSM ou o "OpenSeaMap: Seamarks"?

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Interview pour le journal L'Avenir

[Julien Fastré]

Thanks, Marc.

If someone else is interested in having such "jobs", I would be happy
not to be the only French speaker to speak about OSM.

Julien

Le 27/04/16 08:01, Marc Gemis a écrit :
> Thanks Julien, I was already hoping you would do it.
> 
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 11:12 PM, Julien Fastré  wrote:
>> FYI, she has heard about OSM for the first time after our mapathon of
>> 16th April.
>>
>> Julien
>>
>> Le 26/04/16 23:11, Julien Fastré a écrit :
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have been waiting a couple of hours before contacting her, in the hope
>>> that someone else would be interested... But when I phoned her this
>>> afternoon, no one had phoned her...
>>>
>>> So, I have an appointment for a demo on Thursday morning at the
>>> Coworking Namur. If someone else want to join us. It should last 30
>>> minutes or so.
>>>
>>> Julien
>>>
>>> Le 25/04/16 16:40, Johan Huysmans a écrit :
 FYI


  Forwarded Message 
 Subject: Interview pour le journal L'Avenir
 Date:Mon, 25 Apr 2016 16:18:16 +0200
 From:Marie-Laure Mathot 
 To:  talk-be-ow...@openstreetmap.org 



 Bonjour,



 Je suis journaliste pour le quotidien L'Avenir. Je souhaite écrire un
 article à propos d'OpenStreetMap en Belgique, serait-il possible
 d'interviewer un membre de votre groupe de travail?



 Merci d'avance pour votre réponse.



 Bien à vous,



 Marie-Laure Mathot

 Journaliste à l'Avenir

 081 24 89 36

 



 To whom it may concern



 I am journalist for the newspaper L'avenir. I would like to write an
 article about OpenStreetMap in Belgium. Is it possible to interview a
 member of tour working group?



 Thank you for your answer.



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Re: [Talk-GB] Mapbox imagery update

[Rob Nickerson]

Brian,

You can lobby Mapbox as an individual already:
https://www.mapbox.com/bites/00240/#3/0.00/0.00

I understand they use the data collected from that in addition to data
collected automatically from their customers to prioritise their new
imagery. It looks like we lost out this time but may be next time...



*Rob*

On 27 April 2016 at 16:13, Brian Prangle  wrote:

> Yep - echo the big disappointment with MapBox imagery. Perhaps when we
> have OSMUK up and running we can lobby MapBox for some better and newer
> imagery?
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Chapter Directors' Powers

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi Richard, All,

TL;DR Lets move on and try and ignore that fact that I failed to read up on
Company Act before throwing an idea out there!! Onwards and upwards :-)

I had been trying to look at the way we will work on a day to day basis
(which I hope will be as a community) and therefore how the constitution
(AoA) can best reflect this. As has now been pointed out Company Act 2006
prevents us moving in the direction of the Constitution from the
Unincorporated Association that I shared with this list. That's what it is
and I'm fine with that. As such (hopefully) the AoA will in no way reflect
how we work and we should never have to rely on "Resolutions", "Special" or
otherwise.

Yes, the Directors can go it alone if they want to but they would be daft
to do this because (i) they won't get elected again, (ii) the members can
use the AoA as a last resort, and (iii) most importantly they will be
overworked if they try to do everything without the Members help.

I would suggest that we:

* move on with incorporation;
* look at how we can actively involve members in projects and decisions
(e.g. Loomio, which I gather the OSMF Directors now use); and
* start thinking about the first few activities we want to achieve.

Finally to address your email - I want Entryism to be "almost comically
easy" as we're an open community!! Your example is convoluted (but
plausible) but moot given that we're not able to change the AoA as noted
above. In regards to polls/votes, I hope we never have need for the
"resolutions" in the AoA. I do however hope that we make lots of use of
online discussion tools and I'd be in favour of any that include polls. To
keep up momentum these would have to be short and snappy so I'd expect them
to last little more than a few days for most activities (longer for the
bigger topics). They won't be part of the AoA but as noted above the
Directors would be daft to continually ignore them especially when they
come with the offer of help from a Member.

Now, where were we...

Best,
*Rob*


-- Richard S wrote: --

Rob,

While I understand the thrust you're trying to make towards a more "members
have the power" system, setting the bar as low as five members and having a
simple "online poll" in lieu of a meeting of the members would have two
problems:

   1. Entryism would be almost comically easy. It would be a small matter
   for myself and four friends to paralyse the chapter by constantly calling
   votes on anything and everything - for example, calling an online poll on
   the existence of the chapter. This would prevent them doing anything and
   everything which isn't a contractual or statutory obligation. It doesn't
   matter if I don't win, I can just call another one immediately afterwards,
   and the directors would be unable to stop me. If they wanted to try, I
   could just call a motion on whether or not they should stop me, which would
   prevent them from doing so for seven days.
   2. I'm concerned that any poll would be profoundly undemocratic unless
   carried out with the same rigour as a proper vote, in which case it would
   be a vote. If a member is on holiday for a week, or if they live overseas,
   they'll simply miss out - even the quick ones ("Blueys") can take six days
   to arrive. The 14 days notice period is really important, as is the
   formality of a vote which is binding on the directors. If the directors are
   going to be bound by something, that something needs to be properly planned
   and executed to the highest standards.


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Re: [Talk-it] come mappare una mini arena

[Lorenzo Mastrogiacomi]

Il giorno mer, 27/04/2016 alle 12.44 +0200, Volker Schmidt ha scritto: 

> Questo oggetto:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/138895131
> 
> è una gradinata rotonda per sedersi, uan specie di mini-arena. Come
> mappare?
> 
> highway=steps
> 
> steps=4
> 
> material=concrete
> 
> 
> Volker
> 


Se è una sorta di anfiteatro potresti mettere:
amenity=theatre
theatre:type=amphi

E' suggerito qui:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dtheatre


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Re: [Talk-ca] New project update

[john whelan]

I don't think this is going to go very far.  The tile size is huge and that
means its too big to download the existing mapping from OSM even when the
tile is split twice.

For a test perhaps set up another project over Ottawa with a tile size of
no more than a kilometer which when split should just about work downtown.

Cheerio John

On 27 April 2016 at 12:38, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) <
bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> wrote:

> This task was created for testing I believe.
>
>
>
> *From:* Bruno Remy [mailto:bremy.qc...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* April-24-16 7:20 AM
> *To:* john whelan 
> *Cc:* Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) ; Talk-CA
> OpenStreetMap 
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] New project update
>
>
>
>
>
>
> For your information, a specific task hab been created for this purpose:
>
> (Thanks to #hughwei )
>
> #14 - StatCan Non-residential Buildings :
> http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/14
>
> Feel free to involve into this project and happy mapping!
>
> Cheers.
>
> Bruno
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2016-04-22 14:28 GMT-04:00 john whelan :
>
> Since you're looking to combine data from different sources I assume you
> know about the TB standards for addresses?  I think they're mentioned
> here:  http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/pol/doc-eng.aspx?id=16553
>
> I'm not sure how those standards would map to OSM and if all the elements
> are there.
>
> Apols to the ca-talk this is probably more open data than anything else.
>
>
>
> Cheerio John
>
>
>
> On 22 April 2016 at 10:52, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) <
> bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> wrote:
>
> Kevin,
>
>
>
> We would probably break it down in smaller chunks. We were thinking of a
> possible pilot with specific areas.
>
> A tasking manager would be very helpful in we do it this way.
>
>
>
> Bjenk
>
>
>
> *From:* Kevin Farrugia [mailto:kevinfarru...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* April-21-16 12:00 PM
> *To:* Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) 
> *Cc:* Talk-CA OpenStreetMap 
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] New project update
>
>
>
> Hi Bjenk,
>
> What type of information are you looking to add about buildings? Some data
> belongs in OSM while other attributes might be extraneous. Other people on
> this list will also add their opinion on this issue I'm sure. If it's
> something being done en masse, it's always best to take an abundance of
> caution to not upset people at the errors that might crop up.
>
> If you'd like to break work down into smaller chunks, there are tasking
> managers available (including a Canada specific one) that help out with
> manual tasks.
>
> -Kevin
>
> On Apr 21, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN)" <
> bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
>
>
> Basically, what we would like to do is define a project for OSM to collect
> information about non-residential buildings.
>
> We would like to popose a list of what would be collected. We were
> thinking of identifying specific areas to start with.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Bjenk Ellefsen, PhD
>
>
>
> Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur les
> entreprises
>
> Statistics Canada | Statistiques Canada
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Naangeving POI

[Colin Smale]

We hebben het wel over de NAAM van de school/vereniging. Bijzonderheden
over het soort onderwijs, volledige juridische namen e.d. kunnen ook een
plek krijgen in OSM, maar de naam is en blijft de naam, in een gangbare
vorm. 

Wat verwacht je op een kaart te zien? Waarop ga je zoeken om deze POI te
vinden? Hoe wordt deze POI genoemd door de plaatselijke bevolking (geen
bijnamen!)? Hoe noemt de POI zichzelf in normale lopende tekst (geen
juridische context!), bijvoorbeeld op de website of in nieuwsbrieven?

--colin 

On 2016-04-27 17:25, St Niklaas wrote:

> Er zijn de volgende confessioneel bijzondere scholen gevonden, protestantse, 
> katholieke, joodse, islamitische, hindoeïstische, gereformeerde, 
> reformatorische, evangelische en interconfessioneel (oecumenische). En niet 
> confessionele als Montessori-onderwijs, Daltononderwijs, Jenaplanonderwijs, 
> Freinetonderwijs, Leonardoschool, Vrijeschoolonderwijs, Ervaringsgericht 
> onderwijs, Ontwikkelingsgericht onderwijs, Sudbury-onderwijs, 
> Iederwijsonderwijs en Nutsonderwijs. Daar komen de vervolg opleidingen dan 
> ook nog bij. Dus al staat er school, dan nog moet je de afkorting 
> uitschrijven, zodat die in de database komt. Aan die lokale wirwar kan 
> niemand een touw vastknopen die niet van hier is. En er komen door de 
> afscheidingen op nieveau steeds meer andere school namen bij. 
> 
> Wat te doen met V.V. T.O.B. (met puntjes voor de afkortingen), moet daar dan 
> wel een plaatsnaam bij ? De in het clubhuis aanwezigen kenden de juiste naam 
> niet, van de Voetbal Vereniging Tuindorp Oostzaanse Boys, je zou zeggen van 
> niet, maar duidelijk wordt dat dan niet. Dus ja, altijd de volle naam 
> vermelden net als bij AH - Ganzenplein of de naam van de franchiser, maar ook 
> de korte en alternatieve. 
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Re: [Talk-ca] New project update

[Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN)]

This task was created for testing I believe.

From: Bruno Remy [mailto:bremy.qc...@gmail.com]
Sent: April-24-16 7:20 AM
To: john whelan 
Cc: Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) ; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap 

Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] New project update



For your information, a specific task hab been created for this purpose:
(Thanks to #hughwei )
#14 - StatCan Non-residential Buildings : http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/14
Feel free to involve into this project and happy mapping!
Cheers.

Bruno



2016-04-22 14:28 GMT-04:00 john whelan 
>:
Since you're looking to combine data from different sources I assume you know 
about the TB standards for addresses?  I think they're mentioned here:  
http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/pol/doc-eng.aspx?id=16553
I'm not sure how those standards would map to OSM and if all the elements are 
there.
Apols to the ca-talk this is probably more open data than anything else.

Cheerio John

On 22 April 2016 at 10:52, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) 
> wrote:
Kevin,

We would probably break it down in smaller chunks. We were thinking of a 
possible pilot with specific areas.
A tasking manager would be very helpful in we do it this way.

Bjenk

From: Kevin Farrugia 
[mailto:kevinfarru...@gmail.com]
Sent: April-21-16 12:00 PM
To: Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) 
>
Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap 
>
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] New project update


Hi Bjenk,

What type of information are you looking to add about buildings? Some data 
belongs in OSM while other attributes might be extraneous. Other people on this 
list will also add their opinion on this issue I'm sure. If it's something 
being done en masse, it's always best to take an abundance of caution to not 
upset people at the errors that might crop up.

If you'd like to break work down into smaller chunks, there are tasking 
managers available (including a Canada specific one) that help out with manual 
tasks.

-Kevin
On Apr 21, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN)" 
> wrote:
Hello everyone,

Basically, what we would like to do is define a project for OSM to collect 
information about non-residential buildings.
We would like to popose a list of what would be collected. We were thinking of 
identifying specific areas to start with.

Cheers,

Bjenk Ellefsen, PhD

Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur les 
entreprises
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Re: [Talk-GB] Mapbox imagery update

[Philip Barnes]

On Wed, 2016-04-27 at 16:13 +0100, Brian Prangle wrote:
> Yep - echo the big disappointment with MapBox imagery. Perhaps when
> we have OSMUK up and running we can lobby MapBox for some better and
> newer imagery?
> 
Imagery around Shropshire is certainly less than a year old, so a
definite improvement over the much older bing imagery.
For example the new Preston/Emstry Island layouts on the Shrewsbury
bypass are there, plus housing developments around Telford.
Phil (trigpoint)
> Regards> 
> Brian

> On 27 April 2016 at 15:48, Andy Robinson > >  wrote:
> > And I noted around Swaffham in Norfolk that BING and Mapbox imagery are 
> > identical.
> >  
> > Cheers
> > Andy
> >  
> > From:> >  Phillip Barnett [mailto:phillip.p.barn...@gmail.com] 
> > Sent: 27 April 2016 15:25
> > To: Andy Robinson
> > Cc: Rob Nickerson; Talk-GB
> > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mapbox imagery update
> >  
> > Cambridge appears to be Summer 2011, sadly.

> > On 27 Apr 2016, at 14:40, Andy Robinson  wrote:
> > Mapbox imagery for the area around me in north brum is I think from 2014. 
> > It’s a little more recent than BING but not buy more than a few months and 
> > the resolution is poorer.
> >  
> > Cheers
> > Andy
> >  
> > From:> >  Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com] 
> > Sent: 26 April 2016 20:08
> > To: Talk-GB
> > Subject: [Talk-GB] Mapbox imagery update
> >  
> > Worth checking your local area:> > 

> > https://www.mapbox.com/blog/three-million-km/> > 

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[talk-ph] UP Village+ Mapping Party on April 30, 2016

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello everyone,

It's been quite a while since we last had a (Field) Mapping Party so if you
are free and in Metro Manila this coming Saturday, please feel free to join
us improve and make the map more complete!

Event details:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UP_Village%2B_Mapping_Party

Facebook event page for news and updates:
https://www.facebook.com/events/219069125137044/

See you!

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[OSRM-talk] Running on Windows

[John Aherne]

I have made an attempt to get osrm running on windows.

So I thought I would download the release for windows which has the
compiled files. This way I would not need to compile the complete system.

Then I would copy the data files from my ubuntu system and run it up and
see what happens.

The message  got was  that 'the .hsgr file was prepared with a different
build'.

So I checked. The windows build is 4.9.1 and the ubuntu is 4.9.0. I did not
think this minor change would have affected the data structure so much.

I then downloaded the 4.9.1 files and rebuilt for 4.9.1 on ubuntu. Copied
the files across to the windows system and lo and behold got the same
result. Prepared on a different build.

Now I bite the bullet and decide to try and compile the system. I have no
experience in c or c++ programming nor do I know anything about cmake or
make files.

I pull together the different packages change the various x letters to
where I have placed the files and start compiling.

I am using the batch files that come with the windows build files. I edited
them to fit where I had placed the files.

One thing that came up was TBB was missing. So I download that and set it
up.

Boost takes a long time to build but after various messing around I think
it has build successfully.

Now I try to build osrm but is fails in the make file somewhere because it
cannot find STXXL. It is looking in a x location but I cannot find where it
is getting this information so I can change it to the correct place.


The issue at this point is that  STXXL does not compile. The log output is
as follows:

D:\osrm_utils>build_stxxl.bat

D:\osrm_utils>SET PREFIX="d:/libs18d"

D:\osrm_utils>SET VARIANT=Release

D:\osrm_utils>rem for older MSVC than VS 2013

D:\osrm_utils>rem SET BOOST_ROOT="d:/libs18/boost"

D:\osrm_utils>rem git clone https://github.com/DennisOSRM/stxxl.git

D:\osrm_utils>git clone https://github.com/stxxl/stxxl.git
fatal: destination path 'stxxl' already exists and is not an empty
directory.

D:\osrm_utils>cd stxxl

D:\osrm_utils\stxxl>mkdir build
A subdirectory or file build already exists.

D:\osrm_utils\stxxl>cd build

D:\osrm_utils\stxxl\build>cmake .. -G "NMake Makefiles"
-DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX="d:/libs18d"
-- Detected git refspec 1.4.1-360-g5b9663e sha
5b9663e6b769748f3b3d3a9a779b4b89e24d7a27
-- OpenMP found, enabling built-in parallel algorithms.
-- Using std::thread and other C++11 library functions.
-- Configuring done
-- Generating done
-- Build files have been written to: D:/osrm_utils/stxxl/build

D:\osrm_utils\stxxl\build>rem for older MSVC than VS 2013

D:\osrm_utils\stxxl\build>rem cmake .. -G "NMake Makefiles"
-DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX="d:/libs18d"
-DBOOST_ROOT="d:/libs/boost" -DBoost_USE_STATIC_LIBS=ON

D:\osrm_utils\stxxl\build>nmake install

Microsoft (R) Program Maintenance Utility Version 12.00.21005.1
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation.  All rights reserved.

[  2%] Building CXX object lib/CMakeFiles/stxxl.dir/common/log.cpp.obj
NMAKE : fatal error U1077: 'C:\PROGRA~2\MICROS~2.0\VC\bin\X86_AM~1\cl.exe'
: return code '0xc07b'
Stop.
NMAKE : fatal error U1077: '"C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio
12.0\VC\BIN\amd64\nmake.exe"' : return code '0x2'
Stop.
NMAKE : fatal error U1077: '"C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio
12.0\VC\BIN\amd64\nmake.exe"' : return code '0x2'
Stop.

D:\osrm_utils\stxxl\build>cd ..

D:\osrm_utils\stxxl>cd ..

D:\osrm_utils>

So if anyone has had any joy installing on windows and can point me in the
direction to solve this problem I shall be very grateful.

If more information is needed let me know and I shall try to send it up.

Regards


John Aherne

The finale output I get if I ignore the STXXL problem and try to build osrm
I get the following log output:

-- Boost version: 1.55.0
-- Found the following Boost libraries:
--   date_time
--   filesystem
--   iostreams
--   program_options
--   regex
--   system
--   thread
--   date_time
--   chrono
--   zlib
--   atomic
-- Found Intel TBB
-- Looking for LuaJIT 5.2
-- Could NOT find LUAJIT (missing:  LUAJIT_LIBRARIES)
-- Looking for Luabind...
-- Found Luabind: D:/libs18d/lib/luabind.lib
-- Looking for STXXL...
CMake Error at C:/Program Files
(x86)/CMake/share/cmake-3.5/Modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:148
(message):
  Could NOT find STXXL (missing: STXXL_LIBRARY STXXL_INCLUDE_DIR)
Call Stack (most recent call first):
  C:/Program Files
(x86)/CMake/share/cmake-3.5/Modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:388
(_FPHSA_FAILURE_MESSAGE)
  cmake/FindSTXXL.cmake:43 (FIND_PACKAGE_HANDLE_STANDARD_ARGS)
  CMakeLists.txt:226 (find_package)


-- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!
See also "D:/osrm_utils/Project-OSRM/build/CMakeFiles/CMakeOutput.log".
See also "D:/osrm_utils/Project-OSRM/build/CMakeFiles/CMakeError.log".

D:\osrm_utils\Project-OSRM\build>rem use for debug:

D:\osrm_utils\Project-OSRM\build>rem cmake .. -G "NMake Makefiles"

Re: [Talk-br] População de cidades e bairros

[Nelson A. de Oliveira]

2016-04-27 12:41 GMT-03:00 Blademir Andrade de Lima :
> Amigos, achei o seguinte site
> http://populacao.net.br/populacao-das-cidades-brasileiras.php e gostaria de
> saber se podemos usar como referencia para informar a população das cidades
> e bairros.

Melhor usar a última estimativa
http://ibge.gov.br/home/estatistica/populacao/estimativa2015/default.shtm

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[Talk-br] População de cidades e bairros

[Blademir Andrade de Lima]

Amigos, achei o seguinte site 
http://populacao.net.br/populacao-das-cidades-brasileiras.php e gostaria de 
saber se podemos usar como referencia para informar a população das cidades e 
bairros.

Att,
BladeTC

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Re: [Talk-cz] Stromy pod kontrolou

[Michal Pustějovský]

Dne 27.04.2016 v 16:09 Miroslav Suchy napsal(a):

Dne 12.4.2016 v 22:30 Miroslav Suchý napsal(a):

Kontaktoval nekdy nekdo tyto provozovatele o moznosti poskytovat
otevrena data?
   http://www.stromypodkontrolou.cz
Pokud ne, tak bych je zkusil kontaktovat.

Píšu si teď s pane Mikuláškem z této firmy a vypadá to na dobré cestě.
Řešíme - a ještě asi budeme řešit - souhlas vlastníku dat. Ale zároveň řeším 
technickou stránku věci.
V jaké formě bychom ty data nejraději dostali. V současné verzi jejich SW umít 
export do shapefile (nikdy jsem nepoužil,
zatím nevím co tam je za vlastně za data). P. Mikulášek je ochoten udělat i 
export do CSV nebo jiného standardního
formátu, kde by bylo: souřadnice, taxon stromu, přímý odkaz na kartu stromu na 
jejich portálu.

Takže se vás chci zeptat:
   * v jakém formátu by to pro nás bylo nejlepší?
   * zda ta data co jsem napsal stačí? - za mě bych přidal výšku a průměr


Ahoj,

Dobrou nápovědou pro smysluplná data je OSM wiki:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dtree

+ pokud by byla, tak wikipedia, wikidata, odkaz na obrázek...


Michal


   * něco jiného co by vás napadlo?

Mirek

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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Naangeving POI

[St Niklaas]

Er zijn de volgende confessioneel bijzondere scholen gevonden, protestantse, 
katholieke, joodse, islamitische, hindoeïstische, gereformeerde, 
reformatorische, evangelische en interconfessioneel (oecumenische). En niet 
confessionele als Montessori-onderwijs, Daltononderwijs, Jenaplanonderwijs, 
Freinetonderwijs, Leonardoschool, Vrijeschoolonderwijs, Ervaringsgericht 
onderwijs, Ontwikkelingsgericht onderwijs, Sudbury-onderwijs, 
Iederwijsonderwijs en Nutsonderwijs. Daar komen de vervolg opleidingen dan ook 
nog bij. Dus al staat er school, dan nog moet je de afkorting uitschrijven, 
zodat die in de database komt. Aan die lokale wirwar kan niemand een touw 
vastknopen die niet van hier is. En er komen door de afscheidingen op nieveau 
steeds meer andere school namen bij.

Wat te doen met V.V. T.O.B. (met puntjes voor de afkortingen), moet daar dan 
wel een plaatsnaam bij ? De in het clubhuis aanwezigen kenden de juiste naam 
niet, van de Voetbal Vereniging Tuindorp Oostzaanse Boys, je zou zeggen van 
niet, maar duidelijk wordt dat dan niet. Dus ja, altijd de volle naam vermelden 
net als bij AH - Ganzenplein of de naam van de franchiser, maar ook de korte en 
alternatieve.
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Re: [Talk-it] Rifugio antiaereo

[Paolo Monegato]

Il 27/04/2016 16:28, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto:


sent from a phone


Il giorno 27 apr 2016, alle ore 16:25, girarsi_liste  
ha scritto:

Puoi aggiungere un building:levels:underground=1, hai già messo layer
-1, infatti si vede come l'edificato sta sotto agli altri edifici.


layer=-1 non dice sotto terra, il tag suggerito da te va bene, ma ancora più 
specifico per la posizione è
location=underground


Quel tag l'ho usato anch'io per un parcheggio sotterraneo. Ma a leggere 
il wiki mi pare sia più pensato per le tubature e per i vari aspetti 
legati al tag power...


ciao
Paolo M

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Re: [Talk-GB] Mapbox imagery update

[Brian Prangle]

Yep - echo the big disappointment with MapBox imagery. Perhaps when we have
OSMUK up and running we can lobby MapBox for some better and newer imagery?

Regards

Brian

On 27 April 2016 at 15:48, Andy Robinson  wrote:

> And I noted around Swaffham in Norfolk that BING and Mapbox imagery are
> identical.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> *From:* Phillip Barnett [mailto:phillip.p.barn...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 27 April 2016 15:25
> *To:* Andy Robinson
> *Cc:* Rob Nickerson; Talk-GB
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Mapbox imagery update
>
>
>
> Cambridge appears to be Summer 2011, sadly.
>
>
> On 27 Apr 2016, at 14:40, Andy Robinson  wrote:
>
> Mapbox imagery for the area around me in north brum is I think from 2014.
> It’s a little more recent than BING but not buy more than a few months and
> the resolution is poorer.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> *From:* Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com
> ]
> *Sent:* 26 April 2016 20:08
> *To:* Talk-GB
> *Subject:* [Talk-GB] Mapbox imagery update
>
>
>
> Worth checking your local area:
>
> https://www.mapbox.com/blog/three-million-km/
>
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Re: [Talk-it] [Indoor Mapping] Basilica del Santo

[Paolo Monegato]

Il 23/04/2016 12:55, mircozorzo ha scritto:

Ciao Paolo, grazie.

Buona idea, per la riunione potrebbe essere per il venerdì 3 maggio dopo
cena 20.30? Per la sede provo a trovare una sede nei dintorni della
Basilica?
I tempi per me potrebbe anche essere di finire per l'inverno.

Ciao, Mirco


Pensavo più ad un incontro in un orario che si potesse anche fare un 
rapido sopralluogo sul posto per decidere meglio come operare...


ciao
Paolo M

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Re: [Talk-GB] UK chapter

[Brian Prangle]

Dave I couldn't agree more, but for a formal organisation then I'm afraid
the bureaucratic activities are a necessary evil. I'm sure all of those
engaged in this process are like me and would rather be out mapping. And
there'll always be mappers who don't want to join any formal organisation,
just map. Those of you like this can safey ignore us. Hopefully you'll
still benefit from the organisation's activities prmoting OSM in the UK

Regards

Brian

On 27 April 2016 at 15:43, Dave F  wrote:

>
> On 27/04/2016 13:52, Gregory wrote:
>
>> I'm surprised we've got such a short list of members.
>>
>
> Could it be that many just aren't interested in A/EGMs, Associate members,
> committee meetings, agendas or minutes & just want to go out & map?
>
> Dave F.
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK chapter

[Brian Prangle]

Dennis

Thanks for your offers of support - I'm sure they'll be taken up
enthusiastically once we've got through the drudgery of incorporation

Regards

Brian

On 27 April 2016 at 14:41, Dennis Bauszus  wrote:

> I also missed the previous conference call due to a deadline. Will sit in
> again tomorrow evening.
>
> I have reminded a few people to sign up as founding members. I would also
> recommend to contact GIS teachers at UK universities. I recently
> participated in a careers talk for first year GIS students and the
> knowledge on OSM is poor. It is imperative to gather interest at the grass
> root to really support the project.
>
> I will contact colleagues at King's College, University London, Kingston
> University. Perhaps everyone should contact academic peers if you have some
> here in the UK.
>
> I am web developer and would be happy to setup a website for OSM UK in
> future. My company Geolytix can host this site on one of our shared
> DigitalOcean cloud server or we can host the site on an Openshift gear.
>
> To start with it would be great to have a wordspace blog in which we can
> post weekly, meeting updates and notes and also improve access to an open
> discussion via the comments section.
>
> Cheers,
> Dennis
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK chapter

[Dave F]

On 27/04/2016 13:52, Gregory wrote:

I'm surprised we've got such a short list of members.


Could it be that many just aren't interested in A/EGMs, Associate 
members, committee meetings, agendas or minutes & just want to go out & map?


Dave F.

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Re: [Talk-cz] Singletracky u Jedovnic

[Tomas Janousek]

Ahojte,

mám to zmapovaný:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/38921882

mtb:scale jsem tam zatím nedával, protože si jednak nejsem jistej, jak se to
používá, když povrch je dokonale hladký, ale jsou tam skoky a ostré zatáčky,
druhak protože jsem sám jel jen okruh 1 a zbylé dva okruhy jen obkreslil z
dodaných GPX a ze Stravy.

A dost mi blbne josm, takže na OSM zas radši nějakou dobu nebudu šahat. :-(

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On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 01:40:14PM +0200, Tomas Janousek wrote:
> Zdar,
> 
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 07:55:56AM +0200, Petr Vozdecký wrote:
> > mam primy kontakt na provozovatele, po primarnim vysvetleni duvodu na co 
> > data chci jsem dostal balicek GPX dat a zakresy kratkych useku do 
> > orientackych map. Pravdepodobne to bude chtit jeste dalsi komunikaci nebo 
> > vysvetleni, ale z toho by se melo dat zakreslit vicemene vse rovnou od 
> > stolu. Pri pripadne osobni navsteve to pak bude uz jen o domapovani hodnot 
> > povrchu, sklonu, konkretnich features jako mosty apod.
> > 
> > Kdo ma zajem data a dalsi komunikaci prevzit?
> 
> Pošli, zkusím se na to dneska mrknout.
> 
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Re: [Talk-es] Reunión OSM.es / IGN

[Luis García Castro]

El 27 de abril de 2016, 11:51, Miguel Sevilla-Callejo 
escribió:

>
> ¿Alguien se anima y/o le parece bien que se cree una página en la wiki al
> respecto de la reactivación de OSM.es?
>

Contad también conmigo para colaborar en la medida de mis posibilidades.

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Re: [Talk-it] Rifugio antiaereo

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Il giorno 27 apr 2016, alle ore 16:25, girarsi_liste 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> Puoi aggiungere un building:levels:underground=1, hai già messo layer
> -1, infatti si vede come l'edificato sta sotto agli altri edifici.


layer=-1 non dice sotto terra, il tag suggerito da te va bene, ma ancora più 
specifico per la posizione è
location=underground


ciao,
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Re: [Talk-GB] Mapbox imagery update

[Phillip Barnett]

Cambridge appears to be Summer 2011, sadly.

> On 27 Apr 2016, at 14:40, Andy Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Mapbox imagery for the area around me in north brum is I think from 2014. 
> It’s a little more recent than BING but not buy more than a few months and 
> the resolution is poorer.
>  
> Cheers
> Andy
>  
> From: Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: 26 April 2016 20:08
> To: Talk-GB
> Subject: [Talk-GB] Mapbox imagery update
>  
> Worth checking your local area:
> 
> https://www.mapbox.com/blog/three-million-km/
> 
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Re: [Talk-it] Rifugio antiaereo

[girarsi_liste]

Il 27/04/2016 13:53, Marco_T ha scritto:
> Sotto la città di Trieste c'e' il rifugio Kleine Berlin:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/45.65645/13.77710
> Se vuoi vedere come e' mappato... certo se il rendering evidenziasse che e'
> sottoterra sarebbe graficamente meglio.
> Saluti
> 

Puoi aggiungere un building:levels:underground=1, hai già messo layer
-1, infatti si vede come l'edificato sta sotto agli altri edifici.

Ad ogni modo con il tag sopra dovresti avere miglior dettaglio.



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Re: [Talk-it] come mappare una mini arena

[girarsi_liste]

Il 27/04/2016 12:44, Volker Schmidt ha scritto:
> Questo oggetto:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/138895131
> è una gradinata rotonda per sedersi, uan specie di mini-arena. Come mappare?
> highway=steps
> steps=4
> material=concrete
> 
> Volker
> 

Un paio di anni fà, mappai ancora niubbo, sulla falsariga dell'arena di
Verona, una specie di anfiteatro, piccolo presso le Terme di Levico, con
un building=greek_theater, però non ho messo ulteriori informazioni,
adesso dovrei, o chi se ne occupa, rivedere il tag o la sa descrizione.


http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/269035124#map=19/46.01202/11.30707



Però se il tuo caso è simile alle scale di uno stadio, magari anche
building=grandstand, questo tag avevo chiesto qui in lista tempo fà, e
mi era stato suggerito questo come più idoneo per quella taggatura.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/350400771#map=19/46.05060/11.46938


Resta il problema di definire gli scaloni/scalini, ma per quelli temo si
dovrà aspettare qualche nuovo tag, visto si associa allo stesso problema
delle scale ampie di una chiesa o davanti ad un teatro o di una piazza,
ecc..




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Re: [Talk-cz] Stromy pod kontrolou

[Miroslav Suchy]

Dne 12.4.2016 v 22:30 Miroslav Suchý napsal(a):
> Kontaktoval nekdy nekdo tyto provozovatele o moznosti poskytovat
> otevrena data?
>   http://www.stromypodkontrolou.cz
> Pokud ne, tak bych je zkusil kontaktovat.

Píšu si teď s pane Mikuláškem z této firmy a vypadá to na dobré cestě.
Řešíme - a ještě asi budeme řešit - souhlas vlastníku dat. Ale zároveň řeším 
technickou stránku věci.
V jaké formě bychom ty data nejraději dostali. V současné verzi jejich SW umít 
export do shapefile (nikdy jsem nepoužil,
zatím nevím co tam je za vlastně za data). P. Mikulášek je ochoten udělat i 
export do CSV nebo jiného standardního
formátu, kde by bylo: souřadnice, taxon stromu, přímý odkaz na kartu stromu na 
jejich portálu.

Takže se vás chci zeptat:
  * v jakém formátu by to pro nás bylo nejlepší?
  * zda ta data co jsem napsal stačí? - za mě bych přidal výšku a průměr
  * něco jiného co by vás napadlo?

Mirek

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Re: [OSM-talk] Bicycle GPS traces - more opendata

[moltonel]

On 27 April 2016 12:20:04 GMT+01:00, Martin Koppenhoefer 
 wrote:
>> so if you
>> filter out traces that go faster than ~35km/h or consistently slower
>> than ~10km/h, you should have bicycle traces.
>
>unfortunately the timestamps are not always reliable, as some people
>are manipulating them for privacy reasons (if they are prior to gps you
>can be sure ;-) ).

Yes, not all traces are usable. If I remember correctly the upload UI offers 
various levels of privacy-protecting transformations. Thankfully all you need 
to extract speed info is relative timestamps, and only the most paranoid option 
destroys that.

Anyway, just try filtering in your area and see what you're left with.
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Re: [Talk-it] Crowdfunding per OpenStreetMap in Benin: scadenza 1 maggio 2016

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

Il giorno 27 apr 2016, alle ore 15:18, Alessandro Palmas 
 ha scritto:

>> Visto che mancano meno di 300 euro potrebbe wikimedia italia coprire
>> le quote mancanti?
>> Nel caso si potrebbe aspettare il 30 Aprile e coprire i mancanti se
>> ancora necessario
> 
> Personalmente la trovo una bella idea, perorerò la causa (oltre a
> contribuire personalmente)


premesso che non sono socio e che mi piace l'idea dal punto di vista 
umanitario, credo che sarebbe comunque fuori scopo di WM Italia, visto dove si 
trova.


ciao,
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK chapter

[Dennis Bauszus]

I also missed the previous conference call due to a deadline. Will sit 
in again tomorrow evening.


I have reminded a few people to sign up as founding members. I would 
also recommend to contact GIS teachers at UK universities. I recently 
participated in a careers talk for first year GIS students and the 
knowledge on OSM is poor. It is imperative to gather interest at the 
grass root to really support the project.


I will contact colleagues at King's College, University London, Kingston 
University. Perhaps everyone should contact academic peers if you have 
some here in the UK.


I am web developer and would be happy to setup a website for OSM UK in 
future. My company Geolytix can host this site on one of our shared 
DigitalOcean cloud server or we can host the site on an Openshift gear.


To start with it would be great to have a wordspace blog in which we can 
post weekly, meeting updates and notes and also improve access to an 
open discussion via the comments section.


Cheers,
Dennis


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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Chapter Directors' Powers

[Richard Symonds]

Rob,

While I understand the thrust you're trying to make towards a more "members
have the power" system, setting the bar as low as five members and having a
simple "online poll" in lieu of a meeting of the members would have two
problems:

   1. Entryism would be almost comically easy. It would be a small matter
   for myself and four friends to paralyse the chapter by constantly calling
   votes on anything and everything - for example, calling an online poll on
   the existence of the chapter. This would prevent them doing anything and
   everything which isn't a contractual or statutory obligation. It doesn't
   matter if I don't win, I can just call another one immediately afterwards,
   and the directors would be unable to stop me. If they wanted to try, I
   could just call a motion on whether or not they should stop me, which would
   prevent them from doing so for seven days.
   2. I'm concerned that any poll would be profoundly undemocratic unless
   carried out with the same rigour as a proper vote, in which case it would
   be a vote. If a member is on holiday for a week, or if they live overseas,
   they'll simply miss out - even the quick ones ("Blueys") can take six days
   to arrive. The 14 days notice period is really important, as is the
   formality of a vote which is binding on the directors. If the directors are
   going to be bound by something, that something needs to be properly planned
   and executed to the highest standards.


Richard Symonds
Wikimedia UK
0207 065 0992

Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).

*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*

On 25 April 2016 at 13:12, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) <
robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 23 April 2016 at 16:10, Rob Nickerson 
> wrote:
> > To breed a culture of Member-led organisation (with Directors as figure
> > heads) I suggest:
> >
> > Directors have all the power
> > Members can direct the Directors to take/refrain from taking action via a
> > ORDINARY Resolution
> > Voting on Ordinary resolutions can be opened immediately (not 14 days),
> be
> > online, and after a period of X days the vote is passed if 50% of those
> who
> > voted (not 75% of ALL members in the case of the Written Special
> Resolution)
> > accept the resolution.
> >
> > This sends a strong message that this is a member led organisation.
>
> I agree that having a faster/easier mechanism for the members to reign
> in the directors would be a good thing, and would force the directors
> to consult the members and only proceed with their consent. However,
> I'm not convinced that it would be a good idea (from a company law
> point of view) to re-define "Ordinary Resolutions" to achieve this. As
> an alternative solution, perhaps we should introduce the concept of a
> more informal vote, say an "Online Pole", which members can use to
> direct the directors. I would envisage something like this:
>
> * Any five members may request that the directors run an Online Pole
> on any matter concerning the way the Company is being run by the
> directors.
> * On receipt of such a request, a pole will be opened as soon as
> practicable, and notice sent to all members.
> * Once such a request has been received, the directors must refrain
> from taking any action contrary to the pole motion until after the
> pole has closed, unless this would result in them being unable to meet
> a statutory or prior contractual obligation.
> * An online pole closes at midnight UK time at the end of the 7th day
> following the day that notice is sent to all members.
> * The directors are bound by any motion in an online pole passed by a
> simple majority of those voting, unless this would result in them
> being unable to meet a statutory or prior contractual obligation,
> until such time as the motion is set aside or superseded by a
> subsequent pole or resolution.
>
> Alternatively, we could redefine the section on written resolutions
> along the lines of the above.
>
> (With the current draft of the AoA, as far as I can see, there's
> actually no way for the members to demand a written resolution in
> order to exercise their S9 power to direct the directors. So currently
> they'd have to call a General Meeting and propose the resolution there
> if the directors weren't cooperative. That requires at least 14 days
> notice of the meeting.)
>
> Robert.
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Re: [Talk-it] Crowdfunding per OpenStreetMap in Benin: scadenza 1 maggio 2016

[Alessandro Palmas]

>
> Visto che mancano meno di 300 euro potrebbe wikimedia italia coprire
> le quote mancanti?
> Nel caso si potrebbe aspettare il 30 Aprile e coprire i mancanti se
> ancora necessario
>

Personalmente la trovo una bella idea, perorerò la causa (oltre a
contribuire personalmente)

Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT


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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Chapter Directors' Powers

[Gregory]

Sorry for replying to the other director-power thread before seeing this
more recent one.

The decision made in the meeting seems like a sensible one, and goes with
Richard's advise to make the AoA very permissive.

To help the member-led intention, we should perhaps be aiming to treat the
directors more as trustees and the ones that can "sign the cheque book" or
pass the cheque book to others as needed.

Gregory.

On 25 April 2016 at 14:51, Richard Fairhurst  wrote:

> Rob Nickerson wrote:
> > The poll we did last year (?) suggested that the OpenStreetMap UK
> > community want to be involved in decision making. My suggestion is
> > that, if this is the culture we want to breed then the Articles should
> > reflect this.
>
> I'm the chairman of a community-owned non-profit[1] limited company here in
> Charlbury. We have recently changed our Articles (for entirely unavoidable
> reasons). It was a glorious pain in the arse.
>
> I would strongly recommend that the articles should be the most permissive
> possible. Unless you have paid admin staff, this sort of thing is horrid to
> sort out. If you've got to the stage of resorting to the articles to
> resolve
> member/director conflict, then something went very wrong months ago and you
> should have dealt with it then.
>
> Besides, there are much more impactful things people could be doing to
> advance the state of OSM in the UK than faffing around with companies
> legislation, right?
>
> cheers
> Richard
>
> [1] not deliberately, we just don't make any money
>
>
>
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> Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Re: [Talk-it] Crowdfunding per OpenStreetMap in Benin: scadenza 1 maggio 2016

[Luca Delucchi]

On 26 April 2016 at 10:12, Cristian Consonni  wrote:
> Segnalo questo progetto dalla lista internazionale di OSM.
>
> Un gruppo di mappatori del Benin vuole acquistare delle mappe ad alta
> risoluzione per mappare Cotonou, la capitale. Si tratta di 275km² di
> immagini satellitari ad alta risoluzione relative all'area di Cotonou.
>
> Il crowdfunding si chiuderà il 1 maggio 2016, potete contribuire qui:
> http://fr.ulule.com/imagerie-cotonou/
>

Visto che mancano meno di 300 euro potrebbe wikimedia italia coprire
le quote mancanti?
Nel caso si potrebbe aspettare il 30 Aprile e coprire i mancanti se
ancora necessario

> Ciao,
>
> C
>


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Re: [Talk-GB] UK chapter

[Gregory]

Apologies for not making the conference call last week, and I forgot to
send my apologies (was busy leading a Missing Maps event).

I should be able to make the one tomorrow evening.

I'm surprised we've got such a short list of members, are people waiting
for the first GM to happen when fees are to be set? You won't be
"auto-charged/enrolled" once we're established, so I don't see it as being
a commitment.
E-mail osmuk at nomoregrapes.com with your full name and postal address and
I'll add you onto the list.

Gregory.


On 22 April 2016 at 11:38, Brian Prangle  wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> Last night's concall made some good progress: there are no minutes (Greg
> we missed you!), but here is a summary of decisions and contentions
>
> 1. Name to appear on incorporation documents will be OpenStreetMap United
> Kingdom Community Interest Company. No doubt in everyday use this will get
> shortened to OpenStreetMap UK, but our legal name will be the full monty
> 2. Drafting needed to ensure that co-option of Directors is subject to the
> same maximum (15) as elected Directors
> 3.Drafting needed for Directors election timetable
> 4. Removed all clauses (para 40) relating to member organisations ( these
> will be covered by Associate Members)
> 5. Can't remember what we decided on natural persons being Associate
> Members
> 6. After the meeting thought: do we need to insert a clause with an
> obligation to keep a register of Associate Members ( as OSMF has in its
> AoA)?
> 7. AGMs were agreed - timing as per draft
> 8. Incorporation Document CIC36 Community Interest Statementneeds drafting
> - Brian to prepare a draft
> 9. Founding members - more are needed urgently - there's no subscription
> set at this time. Remember that the first General Meeting will be held soon
> after incorporation where the Directors listed for incorporation will all
> resign for new ones to be appointed by the membership and various matters
> will be discussed and agreed which aren't appropriate in incorporation
> documents(e.g subscription rates). If you're not a founding member I guess
> legally you can't participate. Send your full name and address to osmuk at
> nomoregrapes.com (this is Greg Marler )
> 9. Powers of Directors. This was a contentious issue and took up most of
> the meeting. We agreed a way forward but there was considerabe discomfort
> about the outcome. It's fundamental to the organisation so deserves a wider
> discussion: expect a separate email and discussion shortly.
> 10 Next concall Thursday 28 April 8pm
>
> Anyone who was present at the concall please add or correct
> Regards
>
> Brian
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK AoA Directors Powers

[Gregory]

Jerry,

Is it possible to reference powers needed to fulfill the objectives of the
company (i.e. article 5 of the AoA) rather than(or in addition to)
"obligations & resolution of the members"? Or is already effectively what
option 6 is?

It would seem more sensible/normal to me.
E.g. With the objective to promote use of OSM in the UK, the directors
could decide they need a website and pay fees for hosting (in turn, decide
they need a bank account, etc), and they can just get that done.
If the membership disagree with having a website, they can call for the AOA
to be changed/amended "promote ... excluding through the use of a website"
without that process seeming like such a direct attack of trusting the
directors.
*Actually, thinking about it this all seems like option 3?*

*Key points though...*
1) Hopefully the majority of directors will be sensible and will stop money
being spent on "Uncle Geoff's Money Laundering Web Host Inc.".
2) Ultimately the directors spend/power is limited by funds. Funds are
limited by membership & open donations/sponsorship, so members could make
public statements/contact "Stop giving money to that OSM UK bunch, they
don't represent the me/us and they're dodgy". Any behind the scenes funds
or lack of budget/spend reporting, and we have other/bigger problems to
worry about.


Gregory.

On 21 April 2016 at 22:49, Jez Nicholson  wrote:

> I had never considered that a pony may be in the offing...
>
> And the web site example is good. There needs to be a balance between
> getting things done by paying a reasonable amount and Directors going crazy
> with the cash. Checks and balances.
>
> How do we choose between the options?
>
> On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 20:00 SK53,  wrote:
>
>> A small document setting out a range of options for the Directors
>> Authority clause.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> Directors Powers Options
>>
>>
>> The basic boilerplate text of the Articles of Association provides that
>> Directors can exercise all the powers of the Company. In initial
>> discussions there was a strong consensus that OSM UK should be member led:
>> broadly that most or all iniatives should orginate with the membership,
>> with the Directors doing necessary work to facilitate such things.
>>
>>
>> To take a simple example: I would presume OSMUK would want a website.
>> Agreeing that a website is wanted & needed, then the Directors would need
>> to have powers to agree a contract & pay the fees, which in turn implies a
>> bank account etc. Allowing Directors full powers may mean that OSM UK
>> follows the interests & desires of the Directors rather than those of the
>> Members. In Rob Nickerson's original survey they were a range of things
>> suggested and different levels of approval for them.
>>
>>
>> The problem of restricting Directors' powers is that it is not always
>> clear what powers they may need to perform various tasks.
>>
>>
>> We can split powers into a number of different categories:
>>
>>
>>
>>-
>>
>>Basic powers needed to run the company as a going concern: ability to
>>have a bank account, pay bills etc.
>>-
>>
>>Entering into contracts. Necessary for many routine activities of a
>>company, but others may not be routine.
>>-
>>
>>Initiating projects.
>>
>>
>> So far I have conceived of a number of different ways we can express this
>> in the AoA:
>>
>>
>>
>>1.
>>
>>*Full powers*. Standard boilerplate text. Easy to do. Downside is
>>that removing powers may require alterations to AoA, and furthermore
>>restricting Directors' powers is quite likely to end up being contentious.
>>Any such process will appear to be a group of members not trusting the
>>Directors.
>>2.
>>
>>*No powers*. Powers need to be conferred explicitly by the Members.
>>This is the current draft. Downside is that it is likely to limit 
>> Directors
>>far too much. Such limitation is likely to be particularly troublesome at
>>the outset.
>>3.
>>
>>*No powers except those needed for Directors to fulfill legal &
>>fiduciary duties*. Basically an additional clause added to current
>>draft. This is an attempt to allow Directors to do necessary things but 
>> not
>>unnecessary ones. Likely to readily twisted for any purpose.
>>4.
>>
>>*Full powers limited for a term*. As current draft but Directors
>>given full powers until the first AGM. Directors would be expected to
>>propose which powers they need at the first AGM.
>>5.
>>
>>*Full powers, renewable at the AGM*. Again slightly limiting powers &
>>putting onus on Directors to use them responsibly. Downside is that if
>>powers are not renewed then back in same problem area of 2.
>>6.
>>
>>*Powers need to fulfill obligations & resolution of the members*. A
>>variant of 3, but phrased so that if the Membership votes for everyone to
>>have a pony; Directors are implicitly granted such powers 

Re: [Talk-es] Reunión OSM.es / IGN

[Miguel Sevilla-Callejo]

Jesús,

Totalmente de acuerdo contigo en lo de aprender de Wikimedia, creo que Manu
estaba también con ellos y comentó al respecto en alguna otra ocasión.

Además de lo del IGN que tiene cierta prioritaridad a mi me gustaría que la
reactivación de la asociación fuera para más que para tener unos
interlocutores y sirviera para organizarnos mejor dentro de la comunidad.

Un saludo

--
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*Doctor in Geography*
a. Associate Lecturer at Dpto. of Geography & Territorial Planning at
University of Zaragoza
b. Fellow at the Pyrenean Institute of Ecology - Spanish National Research
Council
c. Freelance consultant & researcher - Member #698, Spanish Professional
Association of Geographers

*Doctor en Geografía*
a. Profesor asociado en el Dpto. de Geografía y Ordenación del Territorio
de la Univ. de Zaragoza
b. Colaborador del Instituto Pirenaico de Ecología - Consejo Superior de
Investigaciones Científicas
c. Consultor e investigador freelance - Colegiado 698 del Colegio Oficial
de Geógrafos

2016-04-27 13:48 GMT+02:00 Jesús Gómez Fernández :

> Por similitud entre proyectos sería interesante conocer el funcionamiento
> de Wikimedia España . Me refiero
> al aspecto operacional o "logístico" dado que ellos tienen más experiencia.
> De cualquier forma y por lo que he entendido a Jorge, aquí de lo que se
> trata es de poner en marcha una asociación con el fin de tener unos
> "interlocutores formales" desde OSM España. Que no quiere decir que siempre
> sean las mismas personas pero sí que haya una coordinación.
>
> Yo también veo interesante un Hangout con un "orden del día" para sacar
> algo concreto.
>
> Un saludo.
> Jesús Gómez
>
>
> El 27 de abril de 2016, 12:12, Matías Taborda Barroso <
> taborda.barr...@gmail.com> escribió:
>
>> Buenas.
>>
>> Venga va.. :) Yo también me apunto. Que parece que esto va cogiendo
>> color.
>>
>> Estoy de acuerdo en todo lo dicho hasta ahora, podéis contar conmigo para
>> la cuota de socio/aportación que sea necesaria.
>>
>> En cuanto al trabajo de pico y pala, como todos, justos de tiempo.
>>
>> Aunque hace tiempo que no doy señales de vida, sigo adelante con la
>> preparación de los datos para la "posible" importación del IGN.
>>
>> Saludos.
>>
>> El 27 de abril de 2016, 12:04, Paulino Vallejo Climent <
>> paulinovall...@gmail.com> escribió:
>>
>>> Buenos días,
>>>
>>> Yo sólo hace dos semanas que me he unido a OSM por lo que estoy verde
>>> no, lo siguiente..y de momento la mayoría de las cosas me suenan a chino.
>>> Pero con voluntad y ayuda, poco a poco, espero ir aprendiendo como funciona
>>> todo el mundo OSM.
>>>
>>> Así, que aunque soy bastante novato y me tengo que ir poniendo las pilas
>>> aquí me tenéis para lo que haga falta. En todo lo que pueda ayudar lo haré
>>> encantado.
>>>
>>> Saludos,
>>> Paulino.
>>> El 27/4/2016 11:52, "Miguel Sevilla-Callejo" 
>>> escribió:
>>>
 Hola de nuevo,

 Parece que el correo de Jorge de ayer ha servido para "reactivar la
 reactivación", gracias!

 Me sumo a las líneas de acción que ha descrito Santiago.

 Si hay que afrontar algún gasto contar conmigo (si somos mucho no será
 grande la cuantía).

 Adelante con los hangouts o la vía que mejor os parezca. Y si, lo antes
 posible.

 También soy partidario de que si se hace una asociación se le aplique
 algún tipo de cuota para fidelizar a los socios. Esto, bajo mi punto de
 vista no quita que si alguien no puede afrontar esa cuota y es activo no se
 le tenga en cuenta. Yo lo veo más como un modo de ir tomando el pulso a la
 gente y ver si sigue activa que para recaudar dinero (lo importante en
 estos proyectos es más el tiempo dedicado que el dinero que se da).

 ¿Se pueden escanear los papeles y hacérnoslos llegar a los demás para
 echarles un vistazo?

 En la pequeña reunión que tuvimos algunos de los aragoneses activos y
 Oscar hace un par de semanas estuve planteando el problema que tenemos
 todos con el tiempo y como podríamos organizar las diferentes actividades
 de la comunidad y la potencial asociación para que optimicemos nuestros
 tiempos y esfuerzos. Creo que independientemente quien figure como
 presidente/a, secretario/a, etc... de la asociación podríamos marcar una
 serie de pequeñas líneas de acción con personas determinadas de liderar y
 coordinar las mismas. De este modo podríamos tener personas claves en temas
 como normalización de carreteras, senderos, importación del catastro,
 edición de cubiertas del terreno, HOTOSM, contacto con Wikipedia... (tengo
 gente y personas en la cabeza pero mejor ya lo vamos viendo).

 El propio Santiago ha planteado en el grupo de Telegram (ha mandado
 enlace Oscar) la posibilidad de usar esa vía para los aspectos más
 inmediatos de la organización. Os animo a que os unáis. 

Re: [Talk-at] Adressen in Relationen mappen

[Christian Aigner]

Am 27.04.2016 um 13:18 schrieb Friedrich Volkmann:

> Da fällt mir vor allem auf, dass in OSM vier einander berührende Gebäude
> gemappt sind, am Luftbild sieht man aber Abstände zumindest an den äußeren
> beiden Häusern. Außerdem haben alle Gebäude ein paar m Abstand zum
> straßenseitigen Grundstücksrand. Der wien.at-Stadtplan ist hier eindeutig
> falsch, es sei denn, die Häuser wurden unlängst umgebaut.

Vielleicht komme ich heute noch dort vorbei, dann kann ich mal nachsehen.




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Re: [Talk-it] Rifugio antiaereo

[Marco_T]

emmexx wrote
> Esistono gia' tag specifici per un rifugio antiaereo?


Sotto la città di Trieste c'e' il rifugio Kleine Berlin:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/45.65645/13.77710
Se vuoi vedere come e' mappato... certo se il rendering evidenziasse che e'
sottoterra sarebbe graficamente meglio.
Saluti

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Re: [Talk-es] Reunión OSM.es / IGN

[Jesús Gómez Fernández]

Por similitud entre proyectos sería interesante conocer el funcionamiento
de Wikimedia España . Me refiero al
aspecto operacional o "logístico" dado que ellos tienen más experiencia.
De cualquier forma y por lo que he entendido a Jorge, aquí de lo que se
trata es de poner en marcha una asociación con el fin de tener unos
"interlocutores formales" desde OSM España. Que no quiere decir que siempre
sean las mismas personas pero sí que haya una coordinación.

Yo también veo interesante un Hangout con un "orden del día" para sacar
algo concreto.

Un saludo.
Jesús Gómez


El 27 de abril de 2016, 12:12, Matías Taborda Barroso <
taborda.barr...@gmail.com> escribió:

> Buenas.
>
> Venga va.. :) Yo también me apunto. Que parece que esto va cogiendo
> color.
>
> Estoy de acuerdo en todo lo dicho hasta ahora, podéis contar conmigo para
> la cuota de socio/aportación que sea necesaria.
>
> En cuanto al trabajo de pico y pala, como todos, justos de tiempo.
>
> Aunque hace tiempo que no doy señales de vida, sigo adelante con la
> preparación de los datos para la "posible" importación del IGN.
>
> Saludos.
>
> El 27 de abril de 2016, 12:04, Paulino Vallejo Climent <
> paulinovall...@gmail.com> escribió:
>
>> Buenos días,
>>
>> Yo sólo hace dos semanas que me he unido a OSM por lo que estoy verde no,
>> lo siguiente..y de momento la mayoría de las cosas me suenan a chino. Pero
>> con voluntad y ayuda, poco a poco, espero ir aprendiendo como funciona todo
>> el mundo OSM.
>>
>> Así, que aunque soy bastante novato y me tengo que ir poniendo las pilas
>> aquí me tenéis para lo que haga falta. En todo lo que pueda ayudar lo haré
>> encantado.
>>
>> Saludos,
>> Paulino.
>> El 27/4/2016 11:52, "Miguel Sevilla-Callejo" 
>> escribió:
>>
>>> Hola de nuevo,
>>>
>>> Parece que el correo de Jorge de ayer ha servido para "reactivar la
>>> reactivación", gracias!
>>>
>>> Me sumo a las líneas de acción que ha descrito Santiago.
>>>
>>> Si hay que afrontar algún gasto contar conmigo (si somos mucho no será
>>> grande la cuantía).
>>>
>>> Adelante con los hangouts o la vía que mejor os parezca. Y si, lo antes
>>> posible.
>>>
>>> También soy partidario de que si se hace una asociación se le aplique
>>> algún tipo de cuota para fidelizar a los socios. Esto, bajo mi punto de
>>> vista no quita que si alguien no puede afrontar esa cuota y es activo no se
>>> le tenga en cuenta. Yo lo veo más como un modo de ir tomando el pulso a la
>>> gente y ver si sigue activa que para recaudar dinero (lo importante en
>>> estos proyectos es más el tiempo dedicado que el dinero que se da).
>>>
>>> ¿Se pueden escanear los papeles y hacérnoslos llegar a los demás para
>>> echarles un vistazo?
>>>
>>> En la pequeña reunión que tuvimos algunos de los aragoneses activos y
>>> Oscar hace un par de semanas estuve planteando el problema que tenemos
>>> todos con el tiempo y como podríamos organizar las diferentes actividades
>>> de la comunidad y la potencial asociación para que optimicemos nuestros
>>> tiempos y esfuerzos. Creo que independientemente quien figure como
>>> presidente/a, secretario/a, etc... de la asociación podríamos marcar una
>>> serie de pequeñas líneas de acción con personas determinadas de liderar y
>>> coordinar las mismas. De este modo podríamos tener personas claves en temas
>>> como normalización de carreteras, senderos, importación del catastro,
>>> edición de cubiertas del terreno, HOTOSM, contacto con Wikipedia... (tengo
>>> gente y personas en la cabeza pero mejor ya lo vamos viendo).
>>>
>>> El propio Santiago ha planteado en el grupo de Telegram (ha mandado
>>> enlace Oscar) la posibilidad de usar esa vía para los aspectos más
>>> inmediatos de la organización. Os animo a que os unáis. En el propio grupo
>>> hemos coincidido algunos que, de todos modos, usemos esta vía, la de la
>>> lista de correo electrónico, para los aspectos más extensos e importantes.
>>>
>>> A ver, recapitulando, por el momento,  (n menos de 24 horas) han
>>> manifestado si interés en participar en la medida de sus posibilidades:
>>>
>>> - Diego García
>>> - Alejandro Suárez
>>> - Pepe Casado
>>> - Jorge Sanz
>>> - Oscar Zorrilla
>>> - Santiago Higuera
>>> - Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso
>>> - Cruz Enrique Borges (apoyo moral, al menos)
>>> - Moises Arcos
>>> - Manuel (wikimonty) ?
>>> - Iván Sánchez (participó remotamente en reunión IGN)
>>> - Carlos Dávila (participó remotamente en reunión IGN)
>>> - Pedro-Juan Ferrer (participó remotamente en reunión IGN)
>>>
>>> Me dejo algunos otros ilustres y más activos miembros de la comunidad
>>> que aún no se han pronunciado y presumo podrían unirse al listado anterior
>>> como Jaime Crespo (no se si tiene mucha disponibilidad ahora), los hermanos
>>> Gómez de Santander, Luis García, Rafael Avila, Héctor Ramos...
>>>
>>> Pues ya somos un número interesante para ir marchando, ¿no?
>>>
>>> Insisto que si nos repartimos el trabajo entre todos no habría de
>>> 

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Naangeving POI

[Jo]

Colin,

Die bedoelde ik inderdaad. Hier zie je SKLO, SBLO, KTA. ASO, KSO, TSO en
BSO, waarbij beroeps en technische het omgekeerde betekent als in
Nederland. Die K zou zowel voor kunst als voor katholiek kunnen staan. In
KSO staat ze voor Kunst Secundair Onderwijs.

Maar wat ik dus eigenlijk bedoel, is dat er ergens een mogelijkheid moet
zijn om te weten waar die afkortingen voor staan. Voor mijn part in
long_name of via wikidata.

AD Delhaize is er al een paar jaar. Die merger van AHold met Delhaize is
toch recenter, of vergis ik me? Maar ik weet dus niet waar die AD voor
staat.

Jo

Op 27 april 2016 11:07 schreef Colin Smale :

> Jo, als je OBS/CBS/KBS bedoelt: Openbare/Christelijke/Katholieke
> Basisschool
>
>
>
> On 2016-04-27 11:01, Jo wrote:
>
> Ik ben Nederlandstalig en ik heb geen idee waar die afkortingen voor
> staan...
>
> Jo
>
> Op 27 april 2016 10:35 schreef Colin Smale :
>
>> IMHO de "name" tag moet aan een aantal eisen voldoen. Het moet gangbaar
>> en herkenbaar zijn, niet onhandelbaar lang. Als je de officiele naamgeving
>> van bijvoorbeeld de KvK of wetteksten ergens nog wilt hebben, is er altijd
>> nog "official_name" (en "long_name" en "short_name" en "loc_name" en ga zo
>> maar door).
>>
>> Wat andere eisen:
>>
>> * het moet er redelijk uitzien op de kaart
>>
>> * het moet wel een naam zijn, en niet alleen maar een omschrijving zoals
>> "voetpad" of "plas"
>>
>> Kijk even naar de usecases voor zo'n naam:
>>
>> * je zoekt naar een POI
>>
>> * je vraagt je af wat er op een bepaalde locatie zit
>>
>> * je vraagt je af wat de exacte locatie is van iets waarvan je die
>> ongeveer weet
>>
>> * het moet waar nodig onderscheidend zijn
>>
>>
>> Ik zie niet in wat de toegevoegde waarde zou zijn van het voluit
>> schrijven van simpele bekende afkortingen als "VV" als dat voor de VV in
>> kwestie niet gangbaar is.
>>
>> Vwb Albert Heijn: ik denk niet dat het vermelden van de filiaalnaam echt
>> waarde toevoegt - je weet immers al waar je bent/kijkt.
>>
>> Bij scholen volstaat heel vaak een standaardafkorting voor het
>> schooltype, zoals OBS, CBS, KBS. Het onderscheidende komt daarna.
>>
>> --colin
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2016-04-27 09:23, Marc Gemis wrote:
>>
>> Het is inderdaad niet steeds even eenvoudig om uit te maken wat er nu
>> deel uitmaakt van de naam en wat niet.
>> Nu vind ik het bij een voetbalvereniging nog eenvoudig. Is de naam van
>> de club "VV Willibrord" of "FC Twente", dan komt die VV of FC
>> (eventueel voluit geschreven) erbij.
>>
>> Bij je andere voorbeelden, maar ook bij "kerk" of "kapel" vind ik het
>> moeilijker om te weten wat de naam is.
>> Je zou eventueel in een handelsregister of zo kunnen kijken.
>>
>> Een bijkomend probleem: hoort de dorpsnaam bij de naam of niet ?
>> "Albert Heijn Breda" of gewoon "Albert Heijn" ?
>>
>> m.
>>
>> 2016-04-27 8:23 GMT+02:00 Ronald Stroethoff :
>>
>> Ik heb een vraag over de naamgeving van points of interest (POI)
>> vaak zie ik namen zoals:
>> basisschool de klaproos
>> snackbar de centenbrug
>> voetbal vereniging willibrord
>>
>> mij lijkt dat een beetje dubbelop, we hebben immers al aangegeven dat het
>> een school, snackbar of voetbal vereniging is.
>>
>> Ronald
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Mapbox imagery update

[SK53]

Nottingham area seems to be updated to Summer 2015. I have been able to add
the extension  to the
science library in the university.

There are clouds on the images and clarity is not great, but they are very
useful for adding new buildings: and extremely useful for the area

we visited before the pub last week. On the whole the imagery needs to used
in conjunction with a ground survey as it is often dark and prone to
mis-interpretation.

Jerry

On 26 April 2016 at 20:08, Rob Nickerson  wrote:

> Worth checking your local area:
>
> https://www.mapbox.com/blog/three-million-km/
>
> *Rob*
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Re: [OSM-talk] Bicycle GPS traces - more opendata

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Il giorno 27 apr 2016, alle ore 13:03, john whelan  ha 
> scritto:
> 
> so if you
> filter out traces that go faster than ~35km/h or consistently slower
> than ~10km/h, you should have bicycle traces.


unfortunately the timestamps are not always reliable, as some people are 
manipulating them for privacy reasons (if they are prior to gps you can be sure 
;-) ).

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[Ronald Stroethoff]

Heel vaak zie je een afkorting als vv lugdunum

Pander wrote:

> Detail: het is niet voetbal vereniging maar voetbalvereniging
> 



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Re: [Talk-at] Adressen in Relationen mappen

[Friedrich Volkmann]

On 27.04.2016 11:41, Christian Aigner wrote:
> Heute bin ich auf die Idee gekommen, ich könnte ja mal mehrere Gebäude,
> die die selbe Adresse[1] haben, in einer Relation[2] zusammen fassen.
> 
> Also habe ich eine Relation erstellt, die Gebäude hinzugefügt und die
> Adresse in der Relation eingetragen.

Die Idee ist nicht neu. Die Frage ist nur, welche Relation man dafür
verwenden will. Es gibt so viele Relationstypen. type=site kommt oft vor,
ist aber durch die ursprünglich missglückten Definitionen und Subtags total
verdorben. type=cluster ist mein Proposal, hat sich bisher aber noch nicht
durchgesetzt. type=associatedAddress (camelCase, wahrscheinlich hatte der
Proponent zu viel Java programmiert) und das unlängst niedergestimmte
associated_address waren überhaupt Themenverfehlungen, weil sie vorsahen,
dass die Adresse auf ein eigenes Adressobjekt gesetzt werden soll statt auf
die Relation.

Wie generell beim Adresstagging, wird es nie einen Konsens geben, und
Adressen werden eine der größten Schwächen von OSM bleiben.

> Leider wird eine Adresse, die in einer Relation eingetragen wird,
> offenbar auf der OSM-Webseite nicht angezeigt und ist auch in der Suche
> nicht auffindbar.

Ein möglicher Workaround besteht darin, statt einer Relation die Adresse bis
runter zur Hausnummer auf die Gesamtfläche (Grundstück oder Gebäudekomplex)
zu setzen. Das ist m.E. sogar die sauberste Lösung.

> Also habe ich noch einen Adreßpunkt vor den Gebäudekomplex gesetzt.

Adressnodes finde ich überflüssig, sobald eine Adresse diskreten Objekten
zuordenbar ist. Schließlich sind Adressen ja nur Attribute dieser Objekte,
und für Attribute haben wir Tags.

> [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6172507

Da fällt mir vor allem auf, dass in OSM vier einander berührende Gebäude
gemappt sind, am Luftbild sieht man aber Abstände zumindest an den äußeren
beiden Häusern. Außerdem haben alle Gebäude ein paar m Abstand zum
straßenseitigen Grundstücksrand. Der wien.at-Stadtplan ist hier eindeutig
falsch, es sei denn, die Häuser wurden unlängst umgebaut.

Interessant wär hier, warum die Gemeinde hier keine neuen Hausnummern (70a,
b, c) vergeben hat. Dass so klar getrennte Grundstücke die selbe Hausnummer
haben, kenne ich sonst nur von Kleingartenanlagen.

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Re: [Talk-it] come mappare una mini arena

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Il giorno 27 apr 2016, alle ore 12:44, Volker Schmidt  ha 
> scritto:
> 
> Questo oggetto:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/138895131
> è una gradinata rotonda per sedersi, uan specie di mini-arena. Come mappare?
> highway=steps
> steps=4
> material=concrete


forse amenity =bench?
Forse converrebbe inventare un tag per questo tipo di oggetto (ce ne sono anche 
molto più grandi per i quali sarebbe bello avere qualcosa), qualcosa tipo 
amenity o forse leisure 

poi ci sarebbe anche "bandstand", ma è diverso, vero?


steps non mi convince molto (come unico tag), soprattutto se l'altezza del 
singolo gradino superasse i 20 cm allora non sarebbero più gradini. (si tratta 
di una scala o di un oggetto per sedersi?). In più parliamo di un'area, mentre 
highway=steps si applica ad un way lineare al centro (come le strade).

Il tag per il numero di gradini è step_count e lo metterei come suggerito da te 
(anche in assenza di highway steps e quando i gradini sono più alti di quelli 
di una scala).

da taggare anche l'area in mezzo? Come sorta di palco? Solo un'idea...


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Re: [OSM-talk] Bicycle GPS traces - more opendata

[john whelan]

Now that is an interesting idea.  I think they're date stamped as well.

My only thought was not to clutter up OSM with lots more but there is a
treasure trove sitting there it just needs some tools to analysis the data.

Thanks John

On 27 April 2016 at 04:19, moltonel 3x Combo  wrote:

> On 25/04/2016, John Whelan  wrote:
> > could the cycling fraternity come up with a process to
> > store this type of data as open data?
>
> Have you tried using OSM's existing trove of traces ? There's no
> metadata to say wether it was a bicylcle ride or something else, but
> most traces have timestamps that enable measuring the speed, so if you
> filter out traces that go faster than ~35km/h or consistently slower
> than ~10km/h, you should have bicycle traces.
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meeting: Atherstone

[Brian Prangle]

I can only do Thursday

On 26 April 2016 at 23:12, Rob Nickerson  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The next Midlands meeting is at Atherstone. Normally this would be
> Wednesday 4th May however we have an opportunity to move this to the
> Thursday 5th May.
>
> If you are hoping to join us in Atherstone can you please reply with your
> preferred date.
>
> Rob
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[Talk-it] come mappare una mini arena

[Volker Schmidt]

Questo oggetto:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/138895131
è una gradinata rotonda per sedersi, uan specie di mini-arena. Come mappare?
highway=steps
steps=4
material=concrete

Volker
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Re: [talk-au] Routing instructions

[m.james]

I've just made a very hard to see but technical correction to the roundabout.

Basically inbound and outbound routes were using the same nodes which is 
incorrect.

If you want to grab the updated data from OSM and try it with your buggy 
routing engines turned back on and see if they still break or if that fixes it 
for them.

There are other minor issues with the roundabout but I want to see if that is 
what is going on with the routing on it.

Thanks Michael

-Original Message-
From: Simon Slater [mailto:pye...@iinet.net.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 April 2016 3:29 PM
To: OSM Australian Talk List 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Routing instructions

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 05:15:40 AM Marc Gemis wrote:
> Did you try the same route on openstreetmap.org ? Can you provide a 
> link to that route ? (of course without providing your home address)

This is the first leg of the whole route, but the one in question.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=osrm_car=-35.3355%2C143.5556%3B-35.1751%2C143.3834#map=17/-35.33555/143.55666

Direction #5 is the one with the "Drive null onto" in Marble, so I guess the 
problem is there.  Looking further through the XML of the route produced by 
Marble, the turn types have a non-zero integer value, except at this step in 
the directions where it is 0.

Checking in the routing settings, there are 7 routing engines active. I created 
the route with each, 1 by 1, and OpenRouteService and Routino are the ones that 
throw the error.  Have de-activated these and left only OSRM active.

Thanks Marc
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Re: [Talk-es] Reunión OSM.es / IGN

[Matías Taborda Barroso]

Buenas.

Venga va.. :) Yo también me apunto. Que parece que esto va cogiendo
color.

Estoy de acuerdo en todo lo dicho hasta ahora, podéis contar conmigo para
la cuota de socio/aportación que sea necesaria.

En cuanto al trabajo de pico y pala, como todos, justos de tiempo.

Aunque hace tiempo que no doy señales de vida, sigo adelante con la
preparación de los datos para la "posible" importación del IGN.

Saludos.

El 27 de abril de 2016, 12:04, Paulino Vallejo Climent <
paulinovall...@gmail.com> escribió:

> Buenos días,
>
> Yo sólo hace dos semanas que me he unido a OSM por lo que estoy verde no,
> lo siguiente..y de momento la mayoría de las cosas me suenan a chino. Pero
> con voluntad y ayuda, poco a poco, espero ir aprendiendo como funciona todo
> el mundo OSM.
>
> Así, que aunque soy bastante novato y me tengo que ir poniendo las pilas
> aquí me tenéis para lo que haga falta. En todo lo que pueda ayudar lo haré
> encantado.
>
> Saludos,
> Paulino.
> El 27/4/2016 11:52, "Miguel Sevilla-Callejo" 
> escribió:
>
>> Hola de nuevo,
>>
>> Parece que el correo de Jorge de ayer ha servido para "reactivar la
>> reactivación", gracias!
>>
>> Me sumo a las líneas de acción que ha descrito Santiago.
>>
>> Si hay que afrontar algún gasto contar conmigo (si somos mucho no será
>> grande la cuantía).
>>
>> Adelante con los hangouts o la vía que mejor os parezca. Y si, lo antes
>> posible.
>>
>> También soy partidario de que si se hace una asociación se le aplique
>> algún tipo de cuota para fidelizar a los socios. Esto, bajo mi punto de
>> vista no quita que si alguien no puede afrontar esa cuota y es activo no se
>> le tenga en cuenta. Yo lo veo más como un modo de ir tomando el pulso a la
>> gente y ver si sigue activa que para recaudar dinero (lo importante en
>> estos proyectos es más el tiempo dedicado que el dinero que se da).
>>
>> ¿Se pueden escanear los papeles y hacérnoslos llegar a los demás para
>> echarles un vistazo?
>>
>> En la pequeña reunión que tuvimos algunos de los aragoneses activos y
>> Oscar hace un par de semanas estuve planteando el problema que tenemos
>> todos con el tiempo y como podríamos organizar las diferentes actividades
>> de la comunidad y la potencial asociación para que optimicemos nuestros
>> tiempos y esfuerzos. Creo que independientemente quien figure como
>> presidente/a, secretario/a, etc... de la asociación podríamos marcar una
>> serie de pequeñas líneas de acción con personas determinadas de liderar y
>> coordinar las mismas. De este modo podríamos tener personas claves en temas
>> como normalización de carreteras, senderos, importación del catastro,
>> edición de cubiertas del terreno, HOTOSM, contacto con Wikipedia... (tengo
>> gente y personas en la cabeza pero mejor ya lo vamos viendo).
>>
>> El propio Santiago ha planteado en el grupo de Telegram (ha mandado
>> enlace Oscar) la posibilidad de usar esa vía para los aspectos más
>> inmediatos de la organización. Os animo a que os unáis. En el propio grupo
>> hemos coincidido algunos que, de todos modos, usemos esta vía, la de la
>> lista de correo electrónico, para los aspectos más extensos e importantes.
>>
>> A ver, recapitulando, por el momento,  (n menos de 24 horas) han
>> manifestado si interés en participar en la medida de sus posibilidades:
>>
>> - Diego García
>> - Alejandro Suárez
>> - Pepe Casado
>> - Jorge Sanz
>> - Oscar Zorrilla
>> - Santiago Higuera
>> - Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso
>> - Cruz Enrique Borges (apoyo moral, al menos)
>> - Moises Arcos
>> - Manuel (wikimonty) ?
>> - Iván Sánchez (participó remotamente en reunión IGN)
>> - Carlos Dávila (participó remotamente en reunión IGN)
>> - Pedro-Juan Ferrer (participó remotamente en reunión IGN)
>>
>> Me dejo algunos otros ilustres y más activos miembros de la comunidad que
>> aún no se han pronunciado y presumo podrían unirse al listado anterior como
>> Jaime Crespo (no se si tiene mucha disponibilidad ahora), los hermanos
>> Gómez de Santander, Luis García, Rafael Avila, Héctor Ramos...
>>
>> Pues ya somos un número interesante para ir marchando, ¿no?
>>
>> Insisto que si nos repartimos el trabajo entre todos no habría de
>> requerir mucho tiempo de forma individual, aunque legal/formalmente la
>> presidencia y organos asociados recaigan en cuatro personas concretas.
>>
>> Venga, manifestaos y vamos preparando para una quedada virtual!
>>
>> ¿Alguien se anima y/o le parece bien que se cree una página en la wiki al
>> respecto de la reactivación de OSM.es?
>>
>> Un saludo
>>
>> Miguel
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Miguel Sevilla-Callejo*
>>
>> *Doctor in Geography*
>> a. Associate Lecturer at Dpto. of Geography & Territorial Planning at
>> University of Zaragoza
>> b. Fellow at the Pyrenean Institute of Ecology - Spanish National
>> Research Council
>> c. Freelance consultant & researcher - Member #698, Spanish Professional
>> Association of Geographers
>>
>> *Doctor en Geografía*
>> a. Profesor asociado en el Dpto. de Geografía y Ordenación 

Re: [Talk-es] Reunión OSM.es / IGN

[Paulino Vallejo Climent]

Buenos días,

Yo sólo hace dos semanas que me he unido a OSM por lo que estoy verde no,
lo siguiente..y de momento la mayoría de las cosas me suenan a chino. Pero
con voluntad y ayuda, poco a poco, espero ir aprendiendo como funciona todo
el mundo OSM.

Así, que aunque soy bastante novato y me tengo que ir poniendo las pilas
aquí me tenéis para lo que haga falta. En todo lo que pueda ayudar lo haré
encantado.

Saludos,
Paulino.
El 27/4/2016 11:52, "Miguel Sevilla-Callejo" 
escribió:

> Hola de nuevo,
>
> Parece que el correo de Jorge de ayer ha servido para "reactivar la
> reactivación", gracias!
>
> Me sumo a las líneas de acción que ha descrito Santiago.
>
> Si hay que afrontar algún gasto contar conmigo (si somos mucho no será
> grande la cuantía).
>
> Adelante con los hangouts o la vía que mejor os parezca. Y si, lo antes
> posible.
>
> También soy partidario de que si se hace una asociación se le aplique
> algún tipo de cuota para fidelizar a los socios. Esto, bajo mi punto de
> vista no quita que si alguien no puede afrontar esa cuota y es activo no se
> le tenga en cuenta. Yo lo veo más como un modo de ir tomando el pulso a la
> gente y ver si sigue activa que para recaudar dinero (lo importante en
> estos proyectos es más el tiempo dedicado que el dinero que se da).
>
> ¿Se pueden escanear los papeles y hacérnoslos llegar a los demás para
> echarles un vistazo?
>
> En la pequeña reunión que tuvimos algunos de los aragoneses activos y
> Oscar hace un par de semanas estuve planteando el problema que tenemos
> todos con el tiempo y como podríamos organizar las diferentes actividades
> de la comunidad y la potencial asociación para que optimicemos nuestros
> tiempos y esfuerzos. Creo que independientemente quien figure como
> presidente/a, secretario/a, etc... de la asociación podríamos marcar una
> serie de pequeñas líneas de acción con personas determinadas de liderar y
> coordinar las mismas. De este modo podríamos tener personas claves en temas
> como normalización de carreteras, senderos, importación del catastro,
> edición de cubiertas del terreno, HOTOSM, contacto con Wikipedia... (tengo
> gente y personas en la cabeza pero mejor ya lo vamos viendo).
>
> El propio Santiago ha planteado en el grupo de Telegram (ha mandado enlace
> Oscar) la posibilidad de usar esa vía para los aspectos más inmediatos de
> la organización. Os animo a que os unáis. En el propio grupo hemos
> coincidido algunos que, de todos modos, usemos esta vía, la de la lista de
> correo electrónico, para los aspectos más extensos e importantes.
>
> A ver, recapitulando, por el momento,  (n menos de 24 horas) han
> manifestado si interés en participar en la medida de sus posibilidades:
>
> - Diego García
> - Alejandro Suárez
> - Pepe Casado
> - Jorge Sanz
> - Oscar Zorrilla
> - Santiago Higuera
> - Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso
> - Cruz Enrique Borges (apoyo moral, al menos)
> - Moises Arcos
> - Manuel (wikimonty) ?
> - Iván Sánchez (participó remotamente en reunión IGN)
> - Carlos Dávila (participó remotamente en reunión IGN)
> - Pedro-Juan Ferrer (participó remotamente en reunión IGN)
>
> Me dejo algunos otros ilustres y más activos miembros de la comunidad que
> aún no se han pronunciado y presumo podrían unirse al listado anterior como
> Jaime Crespo (no se si tiene mucha disponibilidad ahora), los hermanos
> Gómez de Santander, Luis García, Rafael Avila, Héctor Ramos...
>
> Pues ya somos un número interesante para ir marchando, ¿no?
>
> Insisto que si nos repartimos el trabajo entre todos no habría de requerir
> mucho tiempo de forma individual, aunque legal/formalmente la presidencia y
> organos asociados recaigan en cuatro personas concretas.
>
> Venga, manifestaos y vamos preparando para una quedada virtual!
>
> ¿Alguien se anima y/o le parece bien que se cree una página en la wiki al
> respecto de la reactivación de OSM.es?
>
> Un saludo
>
> Miguel
>
>
> --
> *Miguel Sevilla-Callejo*
>
> *Doctor in Geography*
> a. Associate Lecturer at Dpto. of Geography & Territorial Planning at
> University of Zaragoza
> b. Fellow at the Pyrenean Institute of Ecology - Spanish National Research
> Council
> c. Freelance consultant & researcher - Member #698, Spanish Professional
> Association of Geographers
>
> *Doctor en Geografía*
> a. Profesor asociado en el Dpto. de Geografía y Ordenación del Territorio
> de la Univ. de Zaragoza
> b. Colaborador del Instituto Pirenaico de Ecología - Consejo Superior de
> Investigaciones Científicas
> c. Consultor e investigador freelance - Colegiado 698 del Colegio Oficial
> de Geógrafos
>
> 2016-04-27 9:53 GMT+02:00 :
>
>> Simplemente recordar que hay un grupo de telegram de OSM España:
>> https://telegram.me/joinchat/AAX3VAHX7HQ1ExysTRo8wg
>>
>> Enviado desde Outlook  
>> Mobile 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 11:26 PM -0700, "Moises Arcos" <
>> moiarc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 

Re: [Talk-es] Reunión OSM.es / IGN

[Jorge López]

Hola,

Yo también me apunto para ayudar en la medida de lo posible 
(especialmente en parte técnica). Ahora ando liado con los finales pero 
en verano tendré tiempo de sobra.


Un saludo

Jorge López

El 27/04/16 a las 11:51, Miguel Sevilla-Callejo escribió:

Hola de nuevo,

Parece que el correo de Jorge de ayer ha servido para "reactivar la 
reactivación", gracias!


Me sumo a las líneas de acción que ha descrito Santiago.

Si hay que afrontar algún gasto contar conmigo (si somos mucho no será 
grande la cuantía).


Adelante con los hangouts o la vía que mejor os parezca. Y si, lo 
antes posible.


También soy partidario de que si se hace una asociación se le aplique 
algún tipo de cuota para fidelizar a los socios. Esto, bajo mi punto 
de vista no quita que si alguien no puede afrontar esa cuota y es 
activo no se le tenga en cuenta. Yo lo veo más como un modo de ir 
tomando el pulso a la gente y ver si sigue activa que para recaudar 
dinero (lo importante en estos proyectos es más el tiempo dedicado que 
el dinero que se da).


¿Se pueden escanear los papeles y hacérnoslos llegar a los demás para 
echarles un vistazo?


En la pequeña reunión que tuvimos algunos de los aragoneses activos y 
Oscar hace un par de semanas estuve planteando el problema que tenemos 
todos con el tiempo y como podríamos organizar las diferentes 
actividades de la comunidad y la potencial asociación para que 
optimicemos nuestros tiempos y esfuerzos. Creo que independientemente 
quien figure como presidente/a, secretario/a, etc... de la asociación 
podríamos marcar una serie de pequeñas líneas de acción con personas 
determinadas de liderar y coordinar las mismas. De este modo podríamos 
tener personas claves en temas como normalización de carreteras, 
senderos, importación del catastro, edición de cubiertas del terreno, 
HOTOSM, contacto con Wikipedia... (tengo gente y personas en la cabeza 
pero mejor ya lo vamos viendo).


El propio Santiago ha planteado en el grupo de Telegram (ha mandado 
enlace Oscar) la posibilidad de usar esa vía para los aspectos más 
inmediatos de la organización. Os animo a que os unáis. En el propio 
grupo hemos coincidido algunos que, de todos modos, usemos esta vía, 
la de la lista de correo electrónico, para los aspectos más extensos e 
importantes.


A ver, recapitulando, por el momento,  (n menos de 24 horas) han 
manifestado si interés en participar en la medida de sus posibilidades:


- Diego García
- Alejandro Suárez
- Pepe Casado
- Jorge Sanz
- Oscar Zorrilla
- Santiago Higuera
- Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso
- Cruz Enrique Borges (apoyo moral, al menos)
- Moises Arcos
- Manuel (wikimonty) ?
- Iván Sánchez (participó remotamente en reunión IGN)
- Carlos Dávila (participó remotamente en reunión IGN)
- Pedro-Juan Ferrer (participó remotamente en reunión IGN)

Me dejo algunos otros ilustres y más activos miembros de la comunidad 
que aún no se han pronunciado y presumo podrían unirse al listado 
anterior como Jaime Crespo (no se si tiene mucha disponibilidad 
ahora), los hermanos Gómez de Santander, Luis García, Rafael Avila, 
Héctor Ramos...


Pues ya somos un número interesante para ir marchando, ¿no?

Insisto que si nos repartimos el trabajo entre todos no habría de 
requerir mucho tiempo de forma individual, aunque legal/formalmente la 
presidencia y organos asociados recaigan en cuatro personas concretas.


Venga, manifestaos y vamos preparando para una quedada virtual!

¿Alguien se anima y/o le parece bien que se cree una página en la wiki 
al respecto de la reactivación de OSM.es?


Un saludo

Miguel


--
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*
Doctor in Geography*
a. Associate Lecturer at Dpto. of Geography & Territorial Planning at 
University of Zaragoza
b. Fellow at the Pyrenean Institute of Ecology - Spanish National 
Research Council
c. Freelance consultant & researcher - Member #698, Spanish 
Professional Association of Geographers


*Doctor en Geografía*
a. Profesor asociado en el Dpto. de Geografía y Ordenación del 
Territorio de la Univ. de Zaragoza
b. Colaborador del Instituto Pirenaico de Ecología - Consejo Superior 
de Investigaciones Científicas
c. Consultor e investigador freelance - Colegiado 698 del Colegio 
Oficial de Geógrafos


2016-04-27 9:53 GMT+02:00 >:


Simplemente recordar que hay un grupo de telegram de OSM España:
https://telegram.me/joinchat/AAX3VAHX7HQ1ExysTRo8wg

Enviado desde Outlook
Mobile





On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 11:26 PM -0700, "Moises Arcos"
> wrote:

Me parece muy acertado lo que propone Santiago, por lo que contad
conmigo en lo que pueda hacer falta.
Un saludo!!!

El 27 de abril de 2016, 3:36, Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández
> escribió:

A mi no me parece mal esto último que propone 

Re: [Talk-es] Reunión OSM.es / IGN

[Miguel Sevilla-Callejo]

Hola de nuevo,

Parece que el correo de Jorge de ayer ha servido para "reactivar la
reactivación", gracias!

Me sumo a las líneas de acción que ha descrito Santiago.

Si hay que afrontar algún gasto contar conmigo (si somos mucho no será
grande la cuantía).

Adelante con los hangouts o la vía que mejor os parezca. Y si, lo antes
posible.

También soy partidario de que si se hace una asociación se le aplique algún
tipo de cuota para fidelizar a los socios. Esto, bajo mi punto de vista no
quita que si alguien no puede afrontar esa cuota y es activo no se le tenga
en cuenta. Yo lo veo más como un modo de ir tomando el pulso a la gente y
ver si sigue activa que para recaudar dinero (lo importante en estos
proyectos es más el tiempo dedicado que el dinero que se da).

¿Se pueden escanear los papeles y hacérnoslos llegar a los demás para
echarles un vistazo?

En la pequeña reunión que tuvimos algunos de los aragoneses activos y Oscar
hace un par de semanas estuve planteando el problema que tenemos todos con
el tiempo y como podríamos organizar las diferentes actividades de la
comunidad y la potencial asociación para que optimicemos nuestros tiempos y
esfuerzos. Creo que independientemente quien figure como presidente/a,
secretario/a, etc... de la asociación podríamos marcar una serie de
pequeñas líneas de acción con personas determinadas de liderar y coordinar
las mismas. De este modo podríamos tener personas claves en temas como
normalización de carreteras, senderos, importación del catastro, edición de
cubiertas del terreno, HOTOSM, contacto con Wikipedia... (tengo gente y
personas en la cabeza pero mejor ya lo vamos viendo).

El propio Santiago ha planteado en el grupo de Telegram (ha mandado enlace
Oscar) la posibilidad de usar esa vía para los aspectos más inmediatos de
la organización. Os animo a que os unáis. En el propio grupo hemos
coincidido algunos que, de todos modos, usemos esta vía, la de la lista de
correo electrónico, para los aspectos más extensos e importantes.

A ver, recapitulando, por el momento,  (n menos de 24 horas) han
manifestado si interés en participar en la medida de sus posibilidades:

- Diego García
- Alejandro Suárez
- Pepe Casado
- Jorge Sanz
- Oscar Zorrilla
- Santiago Higuera
- Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso
- Cruz Enrique Borges (apoyo moral, al menos)
- Moises Arcos
- Manuel (wikimonty) ?
- Iván Sánchez (participó remotamente en reunión IGN)
- Carlos Dávila (participó remotamente en reunión IGN)
- Pedro-Juan Ferrer (participó remotamente en reunión IGN)

Me dejo algunos otros ilustres y más activos miembros de la comunidad que
aún no se han pronunciado y presumo podrían unirse al listado anterior como
Jaime Crespo (no se si tiene mucha disponibilidad ahora), los hermanos
Gómez de Santander, Luis García, Rafael Avila, Héctor Ramos...

Pues ya somos un número interesante para ir marchando, ¿no?

Insisto que si nos repartimos el trabajo entre todos no habría de requerir
mucho tiempo de forma individual, aunque legal/formalmente la presidencia y
organos asociados recaigan en cuatro personas concretas.

Venga, manifestaos y vamos preparando para una quedada virtual!

¿Alguien se anima y/o le parece bien que se cree una página en la wiki al
respecto de la reactivación de OSM.es?

Un saludo

Miguel


--
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*Doctor in Geography*
a. Associate Lecturer at Dpto. of Geography & Territorial Planning at
University of Zaragoza
b. Fellow at the Pyrenean Institute of Ecology - Spanish National Research
Council
c. Freelance consultant & researcher - Member #698, Spanish Professional
Association of Geographers

*Doctor en Geografía*
a. Profesor asociado en el Dpto. de Geografía y Ordenación del Territorio
de la Univ. de Zaragoza
b. Colaborador del Instituto Pirenaico de Ecología - Consejo Superior de
Investigaciones Científicas
c. Consultor e investigador freelance - Colegiado 698 del Colegio Oficial
de Geógrafos

2016-04-27 9:53 GMT+02:00 :

> Simplemente recordar que hay un grupo de telegram de OSM España:
> https://telegram.me/joinchat/AAX3VAHX7HQ1ExysTRo8wg
>
> Enviado desde Outlook  
> Mobile 
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 11:26 PM -0700, "Moises Arcos" <
> moiarc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Me parece muy acertado lo que propone Santiago, por lo que contad conmigo
> en lo que pueda hacer falta.
> Un saludo!!!
>
> El 27 de abril de 2016, 3:36, Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández <
> cruzki...@gmail.com> escribió:
>
> A mi no me parece mal esto último que propone Santiago. La verdad que
> me da mucha pena no disponer de tiempo ahora para poder dedicarlo a
> estas acciones.
>
> --
> Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández
> Associate Researcher -- DeustoTech Energy
>
> Universidad de Deusto / Deustuko Unibertsitatea
> Avda. Universidades, 24, 48007 Bilbao, Spain
> Tel: 944139000 ext.2052
> cruz.bor...@deusto.es
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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Naangeving POI

[Marc Gemis]

Mijn vraag is dus inderdaad of het

Delhaize, AD, AD Delhaize, AD Merchtem, ... moet zijn  (zelf spreekt
Delhaize op zijn website van AD Delhaize, nooit van AD)
AD als naam is zeker nog niet ingeburgerd. Vandaar ook dat de naam
Delhaize op het bord staat.

Waarom laat je "Merchtem" uit de naam, als die zo prominent op het
display staat ? (oprechte vraag).

als je op de website naar de winkel zoekt, staat daar

http://shop.delhaize.be/storelocator?locatorSearchTerm=merchtem

AD Merchtem.

Dus voor Delhaize/Albert Heijn is de naam niet AD. Dat is de "brand"
(volgens mij en wat ik in Duitsland zie).
Je vind op die zoekpagina ook winkels met de naam "Proxy xxx" of "Delhaize xxx"
In sommige grote steden kan er nog een wijk of straat bij staan.


Kijk ook eens naar de voorbeelden op de brand wiki page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:brand
Ook daar is de naam niet wat je echt verwacht.

Vandaar dat ik het zelf allemaal niet zo goed weet en dus met vragen zit.

m.



2016-04-27 11:20 GMT+02:00 Colin Smale :
> Hi Marc,
>
> Ik ben bang dat ik je vraag niet helemaal begrijp... Op de foto is een
> filiaal te zien van Delhaize (in Merchtem, Belgie). Het "AD"-logo is (naar
> ik aanneem) een gevolg van de samenvoeging van Ahold (holding van Albert
> Heijn) en Delhaize. In OSM heet die ook "AD Merchtem" zie ik. Naamswijziging
> en rebranding is echt een ander onderwerp...
>
> T.a.v. de overweging of "Merchtem" erachter moet of niet - mijn persoonlijke
> mening is van niet. Ik stem dus voor "AD".
>
> //colin
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2016-04-27 11:01, Marc Gemis wrote:
>
> 2016-04-27 10:35 GMT+02:00 Colin Smale :
>
> Vwb Albert Heijn: ik denk niet dat het vermelden van de filiaalnaam echt
> waarde toevoegt - je weet immers al waar je bent/kijkt.
>
>
> Het toevoegen van de filiaalnaam is iets wat in Duitsland wel frequent
> gebeurt heb ik de indruk.
>
> Zou je kunnen kijken naar deze foto
> https://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2016/2016-03-14-Merchtem-Pakespad/i-bjfKhWs/A
> aub ?
> Wat is de naam van de supermarkt ?
>
> Alvast bedankt voor je input.
>
> m.
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[OSM-talk-fr] Fichier national de limitations de vitesse

[olivier delaune]

Bonjour, dans cet article de NextInpact[1], on apprend que le gouvernement 
envisage la création d'un fichier recensant toutes les limitations de vitesse 
sur le territoite national (à l'exception des villes de moins de 3500 
habitants). Le fichier devrait être opérationnel aux alentours de 2018 et 
devrait être mis gratuitement à disposition des constructeurs de GPS.

L'idée est très intéressante mais j'espère que les données seront publiées sous 
une licence ouverte pour permettre facilement leur incorporation dans OSM.

 

 

 

[1] 
http://www.nextinpact.com/news/99623-le-gouvernement-prepare-mega-fichier-limitations-vitesse-pour-gps.htm
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Intégration des bureaux de poste (Place Maker)

[Nicolas Dumoulin]

Le Mon, 30 Nov 2015 10:07:38 +0100,
Florian LAINEZ  a écrit :
> C'est moi ou la poste n'a pas la liste complète de ses bureaux de
> poste ? Pour ce que je connais, le bureau de poste à coté de Gaité
> dans Paris existe bel et bien. Il est présent dans OSM mais pas dans
> le fichier de la Poste #CaPique

Je confirme. Dans le dernier millésime de 02/2016 [1], je trouve un
bureau de poste fermé depuis plus d'un an.

[1]
https://www.data.gouv.fr/fr/datasets/liste-des-points-de-contact-du-reseau-postal-francais-horaires-equipements-et-services-associes/

-- 
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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Naangeving POI

[Colin Smale]

Hi Marc, 

Ik ben bang dat ik je vraag niet helemaal begrijp... Op de foto is een
filiaal te zien van Delhaize (in Merchtem, Belgie). Het "AD"-logo is
(naar ik aanneem) een gevolg van de samenvoeging van Ahold (holding van
Albert Heijn) en Delhaize. In OSM heet die ook "AD Merchtem" zie ik.
Naamswijziging en rebranding is echt een ander onderwerp... 

T.a.v. de overweging of "Merchtem" erachter moet of niet - mijn
persoonlijke mening is van niet. Ik stem dus voor "AD". 

//colin

On 2016-04-27 11:01, Marc Gemis wrote:

> 2016-04-27 10:35 GMT+02:00 Colin Smale : 
> 
>> Vwb Albert Heijn: ik denk niet dat het vermelden van de filiaalnaam echt
>> waarde toevoegt - je weet immers al waar je bent/kijkt.
> 
> Het toevoegen van de filiaalnaam is iets wat in Duitsland wel frequent
> gebeurt heb ik de indruk.
> 
> Zou je kunnen kijken naar deze foto
> https://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2016/2016-03-14-Merchtem-Pakespad/i-bjfKhWs/A
> aub ?
> Wat is de naam van de supermarkt ?
> 
> Alvast bedankt voor je input.
> 
> m.
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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Naangeving POI

[Colin Smale]

Jo, als je OBS/CBS/KBS bedoelt: Openbare/Christelijke/Katholieke
Basisschool 

On 2016-04-27 11:01, Jo wrote:

> Ik ben Nederlandstalig en ik heb geen idee waar die afkortingen voor staan... 
> 
> Jo 
> 
> Op 27 april 2016 10:35 schreef Colin Smale :
> 
> IMHO de "name" tag moet aan een aantal eisen voldoen. Het moet gangbaar en 
> herkenbaar zijn, niet onhandelbaar lang. Als je de officiele naamgeving van 
> bijvoorbeeld de KvK of wetteksten ergens nog wilt hebben, is er altijd nog 
> "official_name" (en "long_name" en "short_name" en "loc_name" en ga zo maar 
> door). 
> 
> Wat andere eisen: 
> 
> * het moet er redelijk uitzien op de kaart 
> 
> * het moet wel een naam zijn, en niet alleen maar een omschrijving zoals 
> "voetpad" of "plas" 
> 
> Kijk even naar de usecases voor zo'n naam: 
> 
> * je zoekt naar een POI 
> 
> * je vraagt je af wat er op een bepaalde locatie zit 
> 
> * je vraagt je af wat de exacte locatie is van iets waarvan je die ongeveer 
> weet 
> 
> * het moet waar nodig onderscheidend zijn
> 
> Ik zie niet in wat de toegevoegde waarde zou zijn van het voluit schrijven 
> van simpele bekende afkortingen als "VV" als dat voor de VV in kwestie niet 
> gangbaar is. 
> 
> Vwb Albert Heijn: ik denk niet dat het vermelden van de filiaalnaam echt 
> waarde toevoegt - je weet immers al waar je bent/kijkt. 
> 
> Bij scholen volstaat heel vaak een standaardafkorting voor het schooltype, 
> zoals OBS, CBS, KBS. Het onderscheidende komt daarna. 
> 
> --colin
> 
> On 2016-04-27 09:23, Marc Gemis wrote: 
> Het is inderdaad niet steeds even eenvoudig om uit te maken wat er nu
> deel uitmaakt van de naam en wat niet.
> Nu vind ik het bij een voetbalvereniging nog eenvoudig. Is de naam van
> de club "VV Willibrord" of "FC Twente", dan komt die VV of FC
> (eventueel voluit geschreven) erbij.
> 
> Bij je andere voorbeelden, maar ook bij "kerk" of "kapel" vind ik het
> moeilijker om te weten wat de naam is.
> Je zou eventueel in een handelsregister of zo kunnen kijken.
> 
> Een bijkomend probleem: hoort de dorpsnaam bij de naam of niet ?
> "Albert Heijn Breda" of gewoon "Albert Heijn" ?
> 
> m.
> 
> 2016-04-27 8:23 GMT+02:00 Ronald Stroethoff : Ik heb een 
> vraag over de naamgeving van points of interest (POI)
> vaak zie ik namen zoals:
> basisschool de klaproos
> snackbar de centenbrug
> voetbal vereniging willibrord
> 
> mij lijkt dat een beetje dubbelop, we hebben immers al aangegeven dat het
> een school, snackbar of voetbal vereniging is.
> 
> Ronald
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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Naangeving POI

[Jo]

Ik ben Nederlandstalig en ik heb geen idee waar die afkortingen voor
staan...

Jo

Op 27 april 2016 10:35 schreef Colin Smale :

> IMHO de "name" tag moet aan een aantal eisen voldoen. Het moet gangbaar en
> herkenbaar zijn, niet onhandelbaar lang. Als je de officiele naamgeving van
> bijvoorbeeld de KvK of wetteksten ergens nog wilt hebben, is er altijd nog
> "official_name" (en "long_name" en "short_name" en "loc_name" en ga zo maar
> door).
>
> Wat andere eisen:
>
> * het moet er redelijk uitzien op de kaart
>
> * het moet wel een naam zijn, en niet alleen maar een omschrijving zoals
> "voetpad" of "plas"
>
> Kijk even naar de usecases voor zo'n naam:
>
> * je zoekt naar een POI
>
> * je vraagt je af wat er op een bepaalde locatie zit
>
> * je vraagt je af wat de exacte locatie is van iets waarvan je die
> ongeveer weet
>
> * het moet waar nodig onderscheidend zijn
>
>
> Ik zie niet in wat de toegevoegde waarde zou zijn van het voluit schrijven
> van simpele bekende afkortingen als "VV" als dat voor de VV in kwestie niet
> gangbaar is.
>
> Vwb Albert Heijn: ik denk niet dat het vermelden van de filiaalnaam echt
> waarde toevoegt - je weet immers al waar je bent/kijkt.
>
> Bij scholen volstaat heel vaak een standaardafkorting voor het schooltype,
> zoals OBS, CBS, KBS. Het onderscheidende komt daarna.
>
> --colin
>
>
>
> On 2016-04-27 09:23, Marc Gemis wrote:
>
> Het is inderdaad niet steeds even eenvoudig om uit te maken wat er nu
> deel uitmaakt van de naam en wat niet.
> Nu vind ik het bij een voetbalvereniging nog eenvoudig. Is de naam van
> de club "VV Willibrord" of "FC Twente", dan komt die VV of FC
> (eventueel voluit geschreven) erbij.
>
> Bij je andere voorbeelden, maar ook bij "kerk" of "kapel" vind ik het
> moeilijker om te weten wat de naam is.
> Je zou eventueel in een handelsregister of zo kunnen kijken.
>
> Een bijkomend probleem: hoort de dorpsnaam bij de naam of niet ?
> "Albert Heijn Breda" of gewoon "Albert Heijn" ?
>
> m.
>
> 2016-04-27 8:23 GMT+02:00 Ronald Stroethoff :
>
> Ik heb een vraag over de naamgeving van points of interest (POI)
> vaak zie ik namen zoals:
> basisschool de klaproos
> snackbar de centenbrug
> voetbal vereniging willibrord
>
> mij lijkt dat een beetje dubbelop, we hebben immers al aangegeven dat het
> een school, snackbar of voetbal vereniging is.
>
> Ronald
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Naangeving POI

[Marc Gemis]

2016-04-27 10:35 GMT+02:00 Colin Smale :
> Vwb Albert Heijn: ik denk niet dat het vermelden van de filiaalnaam echt
> waarde toevoegt - je weet immers al waar je bent/kijkt.

Het toevoegen van de filiaalnaam is iets wat in Duitsland wel frequent
gebeurt heb ik de indruk.

Zou je kunnen kijken naar deze foto
https://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2016/2016-03-14-Merchtem-Pakespad/i-bjfKhWs/A
aub ?
Wat is de naam van de supermarkt ?

Alvast bedankt voor je input.

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[Talk-es] Mapping party en Sax (Alicante)

[José Manuel Mira Martínez]

Buenos días:

Presentarse es lo primero que uno hace cuando tiene que comunicar algo, así
que me llamo José Manuel Mira, y llevo mapeando desde junio de 2007. Además
soy adicto a todo lo que huele a cartografía, sobre todo si es libre.
También soy miembro de una asociación, Gis (www.gisandchips.org) ,
donde de vez en cuando posteamos algo sobre SIG.

El caso es que siempre me ha gustado colaborar en esta red de “mappers”,
como colaborador, o bien como promotor de actividades relacionadas con OSM
(cursos, charlas, mappings, hotosm, etc). En esta última faceta me ha
resultado muy satisfactorio trabajar con institutos y colegios, incluso
alguna cooperación internacional (
http://age-tig.es/2014_Alicante/ponencia3/109.pdf) donde el que más ha
aprendido he sido yo.

El motivo de ponerme en contacto con vosotros no es otro que el de
comunicaros que el próximo 21 de mayo de 2016 vamos a montar una mapping
party, y el lugar elegido es Sax, un municipio mediano (9.600 habitantes)
de la comarca del Alto Vinalopó en la provincia de Alicante. Es de los
pocos reductos que por suerte en la provincia de Alicante todavía está un
poco en pañales. El ser una localidad no muy grande nos permite
experimentar añadiendo otros elementos que no son habituales en las parties.

Estamos dialogando para tener un mayor compromiso de las autoridades
locales, pero no se muy bien en que se fraguará. No obstante, lo que nos
motiva es reunirnos, pasarlo bien, aprender (que siempre se aprende), y
“evangelizar” lo que se pueda el uso y colaboración en OSM.

Por esta razón os animo a todos aquellos que les apetezca venir, porque os
pilla cerca, o simplemente por que os apetece, a este evento.

Huelga decir que toda colaboración por vuestra parte será bien recibida.

He creado una wiki de esta convocatoria aquí para ir planificando la
jornada:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Comunitat_Valenciana_mapping_party_sax


Un abrazo a tod@s
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meeting: Atherstone

[Andy Robinson]

Either works for me I think.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 26 April 2016 23:13
To: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meeting: Atherstone

 

Hi all,

The next Midlands meeting is at Atherstone. Normally this would be Wednesday 
4th May however we have an opportunity to move this to the Thursday 5th May.

If you are hoping to join us in Atherstone can you please reply with your 
preferred date. 

Rob

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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Naangeving POI

[Colin Smale]

IMHO de "name" tag moet aan een aantal eisen voldoen. Het moet gangbaar
en herkenbaar zijn, niet onhandelbaar lang. Als je de officiele
naamgeving van bijvoorbeeld de KvK of wetteksten ergens nog wilt hebben,
is er altijd nog "official_name" (en "long_name" en "short_name" en
"loc_name" en ga zo maar door). 

Wat andere eisen: 

* het moet er redelijk uitzien op de kaart 

* het moet wel een naam zijn, en niet alleen maar een omschrijving zoals
"voetpad" of "plas" 

Kijk even naar de usecases voor zo'n naam: 

* je zoekt naar een POI 

* je vraagt je af wat er op een bepaalde locatie zit 

* je vraagt je af wat de exacte locatie is van iets waarvan je die
ongeveer weet 

* het moet waar nodig onderscheidend zijn

Ik zie niet in wat de toegevoegde waarde zou zijn van het voluit
schrijven van simpele bekende afkortingen als "VV" als dat voor de VV in
kwestie niet gangbaar is. 

Vwb Albert Heijn: ik denk niet dat het vermelden van de filiaalnaam echt
waarde toevoegt - je weet immers al waar je bent/kijkt. 

Bij scholen volstaat heel vaak een standaardafkorting voor het
schooltype, zoals OBS, CBS, KBS. Het onderscheidende komt daarna. 

--colin 

On 2016-04-27 09:23, Marc Gemis wrote:

> Het is inderdaad niet steeds even eenvoudig om uit te maken wat er nu
> deel uitmaakt van de naam en wat niet.
> Nu vind ik het bij een voetbalvereniging nog eenvoudig. Is de naam van
> de club "VV Willibrord" of "FC Twente", dan komt die VV of FC
> (eventueel voluit geschreven) erbij.
> 
> Bij je andere voorbeelden, maar ook bij "kerk" of "kapel" vind ik het
> moeilijker om te weten wat de naam is.
> Je zou eventueel in een handelsregister of zo kunnen kijken.
> 
> Een bijkomend probleem: hoort de dorpsnaam bij de naam of niet ?
> "Albert Heijn Breda" of gewoon "Albert Heijn" ?
> 
> m.
> 
> 2016-04-27 8:23 GMT+02:00 Ronald Stroethoff : 
> 
>> Ik heb een vraag over de naamgeving van points of interest (POI)
>> vaak zie ik namen zoals:
>> basisschool de klaproos
>> snackbar de centenbrug
>> voetbal vereniging willibrord
>> 
>> mij lijkt dat een beetje dubbelop, we hebben immers al aangegeven dat het
>> een school, snackbar of voetbal vereniging is.
>> 
>> Ronald
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Utilisation d'OSM pour les services publics

[Vincent de Château-Thierry]

Bonjour,

Le 27/04/2016 09:52, Nicolas Moyroud a écrit :


Dans le numéro de janvier de la revue Sign@ture (lettre de l'information
géographique du Cerema), il y a un article intitulé "OpenStreetMap pour
les services publics ?". Voici le lien :
http://www.territoires-ville.cerema.fr/IMG/pdf/signature_n_59_cle5546d5.pdf


Sujet abordé par les auteurs du papier, sous forme d'intervention 
pendant le prochain State of the Map à Clermont-Fd ;)


vincent

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Re: [OSM-talk] Bicycle GPS traces - more opendata

[moltonel 3x Combo]

On 25/04/2016, John Whelan  wrote:
> could the cycling fraternity come up with a process to
> store this type of data as open data?

Have you tried using OSM's existing trove of traces ? There's no
metadata to say wether it was a bicylcle ride or something else, but
most traces have timestamps that enable measuring the speed, so if you
filter out traces that go faster than ~35km/h or consistently slower
than ~10km/h, you should have bicycle traces.

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[OSM-talk-fr] Le gouvernement prépare un méga-fichier des limitations de vitesse pour GPS

[THEVENON Julien]

Reste a savoir si la proposition sera acceptee et sous quelle licence les 
donnees seront mises a dispo:
http://www.nextinpact.com/news/99623-le-gouvernement-prepare-mega-fichier-limitations-vitesse-pour-gps.htm

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Re: [Talk-es] Reunión OSM.es / IGN

[oscar_zorrilla]

Simplemente recordar que hay un grupo de telegram de OSM España: 
https://telegram.me/joinchat/AAX3VAHX7HQ1ExysTRo8wg



Enviado desde Outlook Mobile






On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 11:26 PM -0700, "Moises Arcos"  
wrote:





Me parece muy acertado lo que propone Santiago, por lo que contad conmigo
en lo que pueda hacer falta.
Un saludo!!!

El 27 de abril de 2016, 3:36, Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández <
cruzki...@gmail.com> escribió:

> A mi no me parece mal esto último que propone Santiago. La verdad que
> me da mucha pena no disponer de tiempo ahora para poder dedicarlo a
> estas acciones.
>
> --
> Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández
> Associate Researcher -- DeustoTech Energy
>
> Universidad de Deusto / Deustuko Unibertsitatea
> Avda. Universidades, 24, 48007 Bilbao, Spain
> Tel: 944139000 ext.2052
> cruz.bor...@deusto.es
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[OSM-talk-fr] Utilisation d'OSM pour les services publics

[Nicolas Moyroud]

Bonjour à tous,

Dans le numéro de janvier de la revue Sign@ture (lettre de l'information 
géographique du Cerema), il y a un article intitulé "OpenStreetMap pour 
les services publics ?". Voici le lien :

http://www.territoires-ville.cerema.fr/IMG/pdf/signature_n_59_cle5546d5.pdf

a+
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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Naangeving POI

[Marc Gemis]

Het is inderdaad niet steeds even eenvoudig om uit te maken wat er nu
deel uitmaakt van de naam en wat niet.
Nu vind ik het bij een voetbalvereniging nog eenvoudig. Is de naam van
de club "VV Willibrord" of "FC Twente", dan komt die VV of FC
(eventueel voluit geschreven) erbij.

Bij je andere voorbeelden, maar ook bij "kerk" of "kapel" vind ik het
moeilijker om te weten wat de naam is.
Je zou eventueel in een handelsregister of zo kunnen kijken.

Een bijkomend probleem: hoort de dorpsnaam bij de naam of niet ?
"Albert Heijn Breda" of gewoon "Albert Heijn" ?

m.

2016-04-27 8:23 GMT+02:00 Ronald Stroethoff :
> Ik heb een vraag over de naamgeving van points of interest (POI)
> vaak zie ik namen zoals:
> basisschool de klaproos
> snackbar de centenbrug
> voetbal vereniging willibrord
>
> mij lijkt dat een beetje dubbelop, we hebben immers al aangegeven dat het
> een school, snackbar of voetbal vereniging is.
>
> Ronald
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Re: [talk-au] Routing instructions

[Simon Slater]

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 05:15:40 AM Marc Gemis wrote:
> snip ... at this location.  Would this be something in the OSM tags at this 
location that I could correct, ... snip

As a side, but not totally unrelated, point, looking at the tags for 
the 
roundabout mentioned above
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/193448009
there are a few things that could be added that may or may not be useful, such 
as speed, surface etc.

Should these tags be added or edited for correctness on 1 part of a 
larger way like this major highway, or should it be left alone until the whole 
way is done?  Does it make a difference?

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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Naangeving POI

[Pander]

Detail: het is niet voetbal vereniging maar voetbalvereniging

On 27 April 2016 08:39:45 CEST, Jo  wrote:
>Hallo,
>
>Ik heb net geholpen bij een import van 24000 scholen in Oeganda. Ik heb
>een
>script gemaakt dat aan de hand van de naam afleidt of het om een basis-
>of
>secundaire school gaat. Ik heb die namen echter niet aangepast omdat je
>ook
>uit isced:level kan afleiden om welk soort school het gaat. Hetzelfde
>geldt
>voor Church of Uganda of Seventh-day Adventist, wat vaak als afkorting
>in
>de naam zit. Ik heb al die afkortingen geëxpandeerd en dan religion,
>denomination en operator(:wikidata) tags toegevoegd, maar ik heb het
>ook in
>de naam laten staan.
>
>Ik ben dus van mening, dat als dat de naam is die gebruikt wordt door
>de
>school, dat dat wel in name vermeld mag worden.
>
>Jo
>
>Op 27 april 2016 08:23 schreef Ronald Stroethoff :
>
>> Ik heb een vraag over de naamgeving van points of interest (POI)
>> vaak zie ik namen zoals:
>> basisschool de klaproos
>> snackbar de centenbrug
>> voetbal vereniging willibrord
>>
>> mij lijkt dat een beetje dubbelop, we hebben immers al aangegeven dat
>het
>> een school, snackbar of voetbal vereniging is.
>>
>> Ronald
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Naangeving POI

[Jo]

Hallo,

Ik heb net geholpen bij een import van 24000 scholen in Oeganda. Ik heb een
script gemaakt dat aan de hand van de naam afleidt of het om een basis- of
secundaire school gaat. Ik heb die namen echter niet aangepast omdat je ook
uit isced:level kan afleiden om welk soort school het gaat. Hetzelfde geldt
voor Church of Uganda of Seventh-day Adventist, wat vaak als afkorting in
de naam zit. Ik heb al die afkortingen geëxpandeerd en dan religion,
denomination en operator(:wikidata) tags toegevoegd, maar ik heb het ook in
de naam laten staan.

Ik ben dus van mening, dat als dat de naam is die gebruikt wordt door de
school, dat dat wel in name vermeld mag worden.

Jo

Op 27 april 2016 08:23 schreef Ronald Stroethoff :

> Ik heb een vraag over de naamgeving van points of interest (POI)
> vaak zie ik namen zoals:
> basisschool de klaproos
> snackbar de centenbrug
> voetbal vereniging willibrord
>
> mij lijkt dat een beetje dubbelop, we hebben immers al aangegeven dat het
> een school, snackbar of voetbal vereniging is.
>
> Ronald
>
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Re: [Talk-es] Reunión OSM.es / IGN

[Moises Arcos]

Me parece muy acertado lo que propone Santiago, por lo que contad conmigo
en lo que pueda hacer falta.
Un saludo!!!

El 27 de abril de 2016, 3:36, Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández <
cruzki...@gmail.com> escribió:

> A mi no me parece mal esto último que propone Santiago. La verdad que
> me da mucha pena no disponer de tiempo ahora para poder dedicarlo a
> estas acciones.
>
> --
> Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández
> Associate Researcher -- DeustoTech Energy
>
> Universidad de Deusto / Deustuko Unibertsitatea
> Avda. Universidades, 24, 48007 Bilbao, Spain
> Tel: 944139000 ext.2052
> cruz.bor...@deusto.es
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[OSM-talk-nl] Naangeving POI

[Ronald Stroethoff]

Ik heb een vraag over de naamgeving van points of interest (POI)
vaak zie ik namen zoals:
basisschool de klaproos
snackbar de centenbrug
voetbal vereniging willibrord

mij lijkt dat een beetje dubbelop, we hebben immers al aangegeven dat het 
een school, snackbar of voetbal vereniging is.

Ronald


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Re: [Talk-it] Rifugio antiaereo

[Volker Schmidt]

Solo sulla grammatica: la parola è "air raid", se usata come sostantivo. Se
usata come apposizione diventa "air-raid shelter" in GB-English e "air raid
shelter" in US-English.
On 27 Apr 2016 12:11 am, "Martin Koppenhoefer" 
wrote:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > Il giorno 26 apr 2016, alle ore 21:55, emmexx  ha
> scritto:
> >
> > Usato come aggettivo il Collins ed altri usano il trattino.
> > Cosi' come la voce su wikipedia:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-raid_shelter
>
>
> wp usa anche la versione staccata:
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_raid
>
> in rete trovi entrambi le versioni
> http://www.primaryhomeworkhelp.co.uk/war/shelters.htm
>
> ecc
>
> ciao,
> Martin
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Interview pour le journal L'Avenir

[Marc Gemis]

Thanks Julien, I was already hoping you would do it.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 11:12 PM, Julien Fastré  wrote:
> FYI, she has heard about OSM for the first time after our mapathon of
> 16th April.
>
> Julien
>
> Le 26/04/16 23:11, Julien Fastré a écrit :
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have been waiting a couple of hours before contacting her, in the hope
>> that someone else would be interested... But when I phoned her this
>> afternoon, no one had phoned her...
>>
>> So, I have an appointment for a demo on Thursday morning at the
>> Coworking Namur. If someone else want to join us. It should last 30
>> minutes or so.
>>
>> Julien
>>
>> Le 25/04/16 16:40, Johan Huysmans a écrit :
>>> FYI
>>>
>>>
>>>  Forwarded Message 
>>> Subject: Interview pour le journal L'Avenir
>>> Date:Mon, 25 Apr 2016 16:18:16 +0200
>>> From:Marie-Laure Mathot 
>>> To:  talk-be-ow...@openstreetmap.org 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bonjour,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Je suis journaliste pour le quotidien L'Avenir. Je souhaite écrire un
>>> article à propos d'OpenStreetMap en Belgique, serait-il possible
>>> d'interviewer un membre de votre groupe de travail?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Merci d'avance pour votre réponse.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bien à vous,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Marie-Laure Mathot
>>>
>>> Journaliste à l'Avenir
>>>
>>> 081 24 89 36
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To whom it may concern
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am journalist for the newspaper L'avenir. I would like to write an
>>> article about OpenStreetMap in Belgium. Is it possible to interview a
>>> member of tour working group?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for your answer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yours sincerely,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Marie-Laure Mathot
>>>
>>> Journaliste à l'Avenir
>>>
>>> 081 24 89 36
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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