Re: [OSM-talk-be] Invisible castles

[Marc Gemis]

You can also add castle_type. See
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:castle_type
Most likely it's stately or manor.

regards

m


On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Glenn Plas  wrote:

>  On 18-08-14 15:36, Jo wrote:
>
> What about building=castle?
>
>
> Indeed, the value of this key can be anything, as long as it is present it
> will be (atleast) equal to building = yes
>
> But castles could use some more verbose tagging: for example, by your
> description, this is a castle, water around it and additional buildings:
>
> http://osm.org/go/0EpInQ2Fd?way=66924557
>
> If Marc has passed with his knowledge, you'll also notice that 'heritage'
> tags will be added,  (Escada) Marc Gemis knows more about how to go about
> this correctly.
>
> Adding Historic=yes  is not a bad idea either. (map renderers will take
> this into account).
>
> Good luck on completing this.
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
>
> Jo
>
>
> 2014-08-18 15:19 GMT+02:00 Ben Laenen :
>
>> On Monday 18 August 2014 14:58:22 Erik Beerten wrote:
>> > I was looking on some OSM based maps for a precise location of a castle
>> > but I couldn't find it.
>> > I checked another one that couldn't be found either.
>> > Both are the type of castles surrounded by water but the map only shows
>> > the water not the building in the middle.
>> > Annexes as sheds in the neighbourhood are visible on the map.
>> >
>>  > (...)
>> >
>> > The conclusion is that it is necessary to add a building tag as
>> > 'building = residential'  if it is still lived in or another
>> > denomination according to the actual use of it.
>>
>>  It's just what Mapnik decides to show on its map, there are other
>> renderings,
>> like http://opentopomap.org/#map=15/51.00633/5.31934 that have special
>> symbols
>> for castles.
>>
>> The most detailed way of mapping a castle would be outlining the building
>> contours, and then add the historic=castle tag on that building. It'll
>> then
>> show up on Mapnik since it has building=yes, but still no special castle
>> symbol.
>>
>> Greetings
>>  Ben
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Invisible castles

[Glenn Plas]

On 18-08-14 15:36, Jo wrote:

What about building=castle?


Indeed, the value of this key can be anything, as long as it is present 
it will be (atleast) equal to building = yes


But castles could use some more verbose tagging: for example, by your 
description, this is a castle, water around it and additional buildings:


http://osm.org/go/0EpInQ2Fd?way=66924557

If Marc has passed with his knowledge, you'll also notice that 
'heritage' tags will be added,  (Escada) Marc Gemis knows more about how 
to go about this correctly.


Adding Historic=yes  is not a bad idea either. (map renderers will take 
this into account).


Good luck on completing this.

Glenn





Jo


2014-08-18 15:19 GMT+02:00 Ben Laenen >:


On Monday 18 August 2014 14:58:22 Erik Beerten wrote:
> I was looking on some OSM based maps for a precise location of a
castle
> but I couldn't find it.
> I checked another one that couldn't be found either.
> Both are the type of castles surrounded by water but the map
only shows
> the water not the building in the middle.
> Annexes as sheds in the neighbourhood are visible on the map.
>
> (...)
>
> The conclusion is that it is necessary to add a building tag as
> 'building = residential'  if it is still lived in or another
> denomination according to the actual use of it.

It's just what Mapnik decides to show on its map, there are other
renderings,
like http://opentopomap.org/#map=15/51.00633/5.31934 that have
special symbols
for castles.

The most detailed way of mapping a castle would be outlining the
building
contours, and then add the historic=castle tag on that building.
It'll then
show up on Mapnik since it has building=yes, but still no special
castle
symbol.

Greetings
Ben


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Invisible castles

[Jo]

What about building=castle?

Jo


2014-08-18 15:19 GMT+02:00 Ben Laenen :

> On Monday 18 August 2014 14:58:22 Erik Beerten wrote:
> > I was looking on some OSM based maps for a precise location of a castle
> > but I couldn't find it.
> > I checked another one that couldn't be found either.
> > Both are the type of castles surrounded by water but the map only shows
> > the water not the building in the middle.
> > Annexes as sheds in the neighbourhood are visible on the map.
> >
> > (...)
> >
> > The conclusion is that it is necessary to add a building tag as
> > 'building = residential'  if it is still lived in or another
> > denomination according to the actual use of it.
>
> It's just what Mapnik decides to show on its map, there are other
> renderings,
> like http://opentopomap.org/#map=15/51.00633/5.31934 that have special
> symbols
> for castles.
>
> The most detailed way of mapping a castle would be outlining the building
> contours, and then add the historic=castle tag on that building. It'll then
> show up on Mapnik since it has building=yes, but still no special castle
> symbol.
>
> Greetings
> Ben
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Invisible castles

[Ben Laenen]

On Monday 18 August 2014 14:58:22 Erik Beerten wrote:
> I was looking on some OSM based maps for a precise location of a castle
> but I couldn't find it.
> I checked another one that couldn't be found either.
> Both are the type of castles surrounded by water but the map only shows
> the water not the building in the middle.
> Annexes as sheds in the neighbourhood are visible on the map.
>
> (...)
>
> The conclusion is that it is necessary to add a building tag as
> 'building = residential'  if it is still lived in or another
> denomination according to the actual use of it.

It's just what Mapnik decides to show on its map, there are other renderings, 
like http://opentopomap.org/#map=15/51.00633/5.31934 that have special symbols 
for castles.

The most detailed way of mapping a castle would be outlining the building 
contours, and then add the historic=castle tag on that building. It'll then 
show up on Mapnik since it has building=yes, but still no special castle 
symbol.

Greetings
Ben


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Invisible castles

[Marc Gemis]

The default (Mapnik) renderer changed not too long ago. It used to be the
case that everything with a name tag was rendered. This is no longer the
case and might cause the issue you noticed.
Since a castle is a building I see no problem to add a tag
building=yes/residential/...

regards

m


On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Erik Beerten  wrote:

>  I was looking on some OSM based maps for a precise location of a castle
> but I couldn't find it.
> I checked another one that couldn't be found either.
> Both are the type of castles surrounded by water but the map only shows
> the water not the building in the middle.
> Annexes as sheds in the neighbourhood are visible on the map.
>
> Kasteel Vogelzang
> https://inventaris.onroerenderfgoed.be/dibe/relict/22508
> 
>
> http://geschichtskarten.openstreetmap.de/historische_objekte/translate/nl/index-nl.html?zoom=18&lat=51.3265&lon=4.94405&layers=BFFTT
> 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.00764/5.32171
>
> Kasteel Schoonbeek
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/50.89843/5.47815
>
> I checked the editor and found that both castles are tagged according to
> the Wiki ' How to a”:
>– historic = castle
>– name = 
>
> The annexes visible on the map or tagged as: building=yes.
>
> The conclusion is that it is necessary to add a building tag as 'building
> = residential'  if it is still lived in or another denomination according
> to the actual use of it.
>
> Are there any arguments against a change of the wiki accordingly or is
> there another solution?
>
> Regards,
>
> Erik Beerten
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[OSM-talk-be] Invisible castles

[Erik Beerten]

I was looking on some OSM based maps for a precise location of a castle 
but I couldn't find it.

I checked another one that couldn't be found either.
Both are the type of castles surrounded by water but the map only shows 
the water not the building in the middle.

Annexes as sheds in the neighbourhood are visible on the map.

Kasteel Vogelzang
https://inventaris.onroerenderfgoed.be/dibe/relict/22508 

http://geschichtskarten.openstreetmap.de/historische_objekte/translate/nl/index-nl.html?zoom=18&lat=51.3265&lon=4.94405&layers=BFFTT 


http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.00764/5.32171

Kasteel Schoonbeek
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/50.89843/5.47815

I checked the editor and found that both castles are tagged according to 
the Wiki ' How to a”:

   – historic = castle
   – name = 

The annexes visible on the map or tagged as: building=yes.

The conclusion is that it is necessary to add a building tag as 
'building = residential'  if it is still lived in or another 
denomination according to the actual use of it.


Are there any arguments against a change of the wiki accordingly or is 
there another solution?


Regards,

Erik Beerten

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