Re: [OSM-talk-be] meerdere postcodes voor één gemeente

2017-07-31 Thread Glenn Plas
The advice below isn't correct.  We don't need alternatives, we need to
improve the postal_code boundaries to encompass those houses that are on
the wrong side of the postal code.

> That being said, using addr:postcode on boundary relations is rather uncommon 
> practice.  Having another relation for Bellem with role=subarea and using 
> addr:postcode on its administrative centre could be considered as an 
> alternative.

Postal code's on administrative boundaries will throw a JOSM warning
when validating. I in fact delete those, they add no value to geocoding
at all, and will not be looked at.

However, in Flanders, we have almost a complete coverage in terms of
postal code boundaries.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dpostal_code

There is still a lot of work in the rest of the country to complete
those, but they are perfect for handling border cases.   The AGIV/CRAB
tool also takes those into account, so if you mess up the postal code,
even though everything else is fine, you will see a 'error/wrong' on the
completion results. ( see http://aptum.bitless.be/ )

To see how complete this is, you can use overpass:

http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/qIO

Glenn


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] meerdere postcodes voor één gemeente

2017-07-31 Thread Santens Seppe
Thanks, I won't touch it then :-)

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Yves bxl-forever [mailto:bxl-fore...@linuxmail.org] 
Verzonden: maandag 31 juli 2017 10:35
Aan: talk-be@openstreetmap.org
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk-be] meerdere postcodes voor één gemeente

Hi,

Yes, it is a fact that in Belgium, there can be several postcodes for one same 
commune/gemeente.
Moreover, one same postcode can span over several communes/gemeenten too.
Therefore, and contrary to popular belief, we should never expect a one-to-one 
correspondence between addr:postcode and addr:city.  Osmose’s complain looks 
here like a false positive because it makes sense to have multiple values.

A spectacular example is the City of Brussels with 8 postcodes: 1000, 1020, 
1120 and 1130 on its own, and 1030, 1040, 1050 and 1070, which it shares with 
other communes (respectively Schaarbeek, Etterbeek, Ixelles/Elsene and 
Anderlecht).


That being said, using addr:postcode on boundary relations is rather uncommon 
practice.  Having another relation for Bellem with role=subarea and using 
addr:postcode on its administrative centre could be considered as an 
alternative.


Have a great day.
Yves



On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 22:33:49 +
Santens Seppe  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Osmose complains that my hometown has two postal codes: 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/721879
> In fact, 9880 is the "general" postal code for Aalter, but there is also 
> 9881, which is used for Bellem, a town that is part of Aalter (deelgemeente).
> 
> Should the relation for Aalter (admin_level=8) only contain the 9880 postal 
> code? Or is this a false positive from Osmose?
> 
> Seppe

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] meerdere postcodes voor één gemeente

2017-07-31 Thread Yves bxl-forever
Hi,

Yes, it is a fact that in Belgium, there can be several postcodes for one same 
commune/gemeente.
Moreover, one same postcode can span over several communes/gemeenten too.
Therefore, and contrary to popular belief, we should never expect a one-to-one 
correspondence between addr:postcode and addr:city.  Osmose’s complain looks 
here like a false positive because it makes sense to have multiple values.

A spectacular example is the City of Brussels with 8 postcodes: 1000, 1020, 
1120 and 1130 on its own, and 1030, 1040, 1050 and 1070, which it shares with 
other communes (respectively Schaarbeek, Etterbeek, Ixelles/Elsene and 
Anderlecht).


That being said, using addr:postcode on boundary relations is rather uncommon 
practice.  Having another relation for Bellem with role=subarea and using 
addr:postcode on its administrative centre could be considered as an 
alternative.


Have a great day.
Yves



On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 22:33:49 +
Santens Seppe  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Osmose complains that my hometown has two postal codes: 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/721879
> In fact, 9880 is the "general" postal code for Aalter, but there is also 
> 9881, which is used for Bellem, a town that is part of Aalter (deelgemeente).
> 
> Should the relation for Aalter (admin_level=8) only contain the 9880 postal 
> code? Or is this a false positive from Osmose?
> 
> Seppe

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[OSM-talk-be] meerdere postcodes voor één gemeente

2017-07-30 Thread Santens Seppe
Hi all,

Osmose complains that my hometown has two postal codes: 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/721879
In fact, 9880 is the "general" postal code for Aalter, but there is also 9881, 
which is used for Bellem, a town that is part of Aalter (deelgemeente).

Should the relation for Aalter (admin_level=8) only contain the 9880 postal 
code? Or is this a false positive from Osmose?

Seppe
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