Re: [OSM-talk-be] tile.osm.be

[Marc M.]

Le 11.03.20 à 13:50, Julien Fastré via Talk-be a écrit :
> 
> 
> Le 11/03/20 à 10:26, Jonathan Beliën a écrit :
>> Any help to make the OSMBE tileserver work more efficiently is more than 
>> welcome.
>> Maybe we could partner up to make such a thing happen.
>> If you have any idea to make it work more efficiently or improve/simplify 
>> the update process we can meet to talk about it :)
> 
> I think you did most part of the work, but, we will be pleased to give
> some help, if you think this is useful.
> 
> I am going to send you a private email.

you can include me :)

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] tile.osm.be

[Julien Fastré via Talk-be]

Le 11/03/20 à 10:26, Jonathan Beliën a écrit :
> Any help to make the OSMBE tileserver work more efficiently is more than 
> welcome.
> Maybe we could partner up to make such a thing happen.
> If you have any idea to make it work more efficiently or improve/simplify the 
> update process we can meet to talk about it :)

I think you did most part of the work, but, we will be pleased to give
some help, if you think this is useful.

I am going to send you a private email.

JF

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] tile.osm.be

[Jonathan Beliën]

> We are thinking about an ansible script which will start a server in the
> cloud, launch the required tasks, and then stop it.
> 
> Did you think about this ? Do you want to collaborate on such project ?

That was my initial plan but never had time to deep dive into it !
I started some research about such a thing but didn't find how to make it 
happen with OVH Public Cloud.

> If you need it / want it, we can also discuss about that.

Any help to make the OSMBE tileserver work more efficiently is more than 
welcome.
Maybe we could partner up to make such a thing happen.
If you have any idea to make it work more efficiently or improve/simplify the 
update process we can meet to talk about it :)

Jonathan Beliën

Mer 11 mars 2020, à 09:53, Julien Fastré a écrit :
> Hi Jonathan,
> 
> Le 10/03/20 à 20:51, Jonathan Beliën a écrit :
> > 
> > That being said, I'm also investigating some other solutions for the
> > OSMBE tileserver to simplify the update but didn't find any suitable
> > solution so far (adding vector tiles is also part of my research).
> 
> At Champs-Libres, we are facing a similar issue: pre-renders tiles for
> an area like Belgium from big cloud servers paid on an hourly basis.
> 
> We are thinking about an ansible script which will start a server in the
> cloud, launch the required tasks, and then stop it.
> 
> Did you think about this ? Do you want to collaborate on such project ?
> 
> > The update is not live because we (GEO-6) decided not to invest such a 
> > "big" amount of money in a server that could handle a live (or at least 
> > regular) automated update (and the current tilserver is still one of the 
> > biggest - meaning more expensive - server we manage and pay for).
> 
> If needed, we can also consider to give some help or money to host the
> service.
> 
> > That being said, I'm also investigating some other solutions for the OSMBE 
> > tileserver to simplify the update but didn't find any suitable solution so 
> > far (adding vector tiles is also part of my research).
> 
> If you need it / want it, we can also discuss about that.
> 
> Julien
>

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] tile.osm.be

[Julien Fastré]

Hi Jonathan,

Le 10/03/20 à 20:51, Jonathan Beliën a écrit :
> 
> That being said, I'm also investigating some other solutions for the
> OSMBE tileserver to simplify the update but didn't find any suitable
> solution so far (adding vector tiles is also part of my research).

At Champs-Libres, we are facing a similar issue: pre-renders tiles for
an area like Belgium from big cloud servers paid on an hourly basis.

We are thinking about an ansible script which will start a server in the
cloud, launch the required tasks, and then stop it.

Did you think about this ? Do you want to collaborate on such project ?

> The update is not live because we (GEO-6) decided not to invest such a "big" 
> amount of money in a server that could handle a live (or at least regular) 
> automated update (and the current tilserver is still one of the biggest - 
> meaning more expensive - server we manage and pay for).

If needed, we can also consider to give some help or money to host the
service.

> That being said, I'm also investigating some other solutions for the OSMBE 
> tileserver to simplify the update but didn't find any suitable solution so 
> far (adding vector tiles is also part of my research).

If you need it / want it, we can also discuss about that.

Julien

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] tile.osm.be

[Jonathan Beliën]

The database update and the rendering is indeed scripted.
The documentation is available here : 
https://github.com/jbelien/openstreetmap-carto-be/wiki

I usually run it on a Public Cloud instance from OVH 
(https://www.ovhcloud.com/fr/public-cloud/).
Specifications:
- Server with at least 30Go RAM
- Server with at least 8 (v)CPU
- Server with at least 200Go

Jonathan Beliën
OpenStreetMap Belgium

Mar 10 mars 2020, à 21:28, Marc M. a écrit :
> Le 10.03.20 à 20:51, Jonathan Beliën a écrit :
> > I need to start a powerful server to run the database update 
> > and then the tiles update
> 
> this part is scripted ? a cloud server ?
> what's the hd size, type (hdd<>sdd) and number of cpu cores  needed
> to update all tiles in one day ?
> 
> Regards,
> Marc
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] tile.osm.be

[Marc M.]

Le 10.03.20 à 20:51, Jonathan Beliën a écrit :
> I need to start a powerful server to run the database update 
> and then the tiles update

this part is scripted ? a cloud server ?
what's the hd size, type (hdd<>sdd) and number of cpu cores  needed
to update all tiles in one day ?

Regards,
Marc

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] tile.osm.be

[Jonathan Beliën]

Hello Maarten,

Indeed, I'm the one maintaining https://tile.openstreetmap.be/
And indeed, it hasn't been updated since a few months now.

I've put that tileserver online for the use of the company I work for (SPRL 
GEO-6 BVBA) and I convinced my boss to make it publicly available and make it 
the official OSMBE tileserver (thus the copyright referencing GEO-6).

The update process is indeed not fully automated : I need to start a powerful 
server to run the database update and then the tiles update (in 3 versions : 
`name` + `name:fr` + `name:nl`) and the whole process takes a whole day to 
complete.
The update is not live because we (GEO-6) decided not to invest such a "big" 
amount of money in a server that could handle a live (or at least regular) 
automated update (and the current tilserver is still one of the biggest - 
meaning more expensive - server we manage and pay for).
Unfortunately, those last few months have been quite busy and I didn't have (or 
at least didn't take) the time to run the update.

So, yes, the service *will stay online* and we are not planning to discontinue 
it !
The update is a "best-effort" update and I'll try to update it as regularly as 
possible (but without any guarantee).

That being said, I'm also investigating some other solutions for the OSMBE 
tileserver to simplify the update but didn't find any suitable solution so far 
(adding vector tiles is also part of my research).

Any suggestion or proposal of help is more than welcome !

Have a nice evening.

Jonathan Beliën
OpenStreetMap Belgium


Mar 10 mars 2020, à 11:35, Tim Couwelier a écrit :
> As I understood from Jonathan, the process isn't fully automated yet. Was 
> supposedly to get updated on a near-weekly basis, but it must've slipped from 
> attention.
> I'd guess that moving on towards a full automation of the process would go a 
> long way?
> 
> Op di 10 mrt. 2020 om 11:05 schreef rodeo .be :
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> I see this tile server has not been updated the last months. Is the future 
>> of that tile service unsure?
>> 
>> Btw, we asked several organiations to use those tiles in the past (see here 
>> ): "*Met 
>> OpenStreetMap Belgium hebben we in samenwerking met een sponsor een 
>> tile-server optgezet die wel expliciet bedoeld is om te gebruiken in uw 
>> situatie.*" 
>> 
>> I think it would be worth it to keep that service! How can we help?
>> 
>> KR
>> Maarten
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] tile.osm.be

[Tim Couwelier]

As I understood from Jonathan, the process isn't fully automated yet. Was
supposedly to get updated on a near-weekly basis, but it must've slipped
from attention.
I'd guess that moving on towards a full automation of the process would go
a long way?

Op di 10 mrt. 2020 om 11:05 schreef rodeo .be :

> Hey all,
>
> I see this tile server has not been updated the last months. Is the future
> of that tile service unsure?
>
> Btw, we asked several organiations to use those tiles in the past (see
> here ):
> "*Met OpenStreetMap Belgium hebben we in samenwerking met een sponsor een
> tile-server optgezet die wel expliciet bedoeld is om te gebruiken in uw
> situatie.*"
>
> I think it would be worth it to keep that service! How can we help?
>
> KR
> Maarten
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