[Talk-ca] Voluntary re-licensing begins
How does this align with importing data from CANVEC by merging with JOSM then uploading? Thanks John ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] License Upgrade - Stage Two Begins
News today from Mike Collinson, Chair of the OSMF License Working Group: As promised, and long awaited, the next phase of the OSM License Upgrade has arrived. Phase 2 - Existing Contributor Voluntary Re-licensing [1] has begun, and you may indicate your acceptance of the new Contributor Terms for your existing OSM API account. To accept the terms visit http://openstreetmap.org/user/terms, (you may be asked to login first), or your user settings page. Please note that OpenStreetMap is not changing the license on any published data at this point. Existing contributors are being asked to permit re-licensing of their data in the future when it makes sense to do so. There is no decline button, and no obligation to answer yet. Existing Contributor Voluntary Re-licensing is for those who wish to accept the terms and get on with mapping. We'll be publishing which users have accepted so that we can all see the progress in terms of users and re-licensed data. We hope that you will accept the new Contributor Terms [2] and ODbL for each of your user accounts if you have more than one. ** Why are we doing it like this? ** What ifs, what ifs. The key is clearly to reduce these. Those that simply want to get on mapping and accept that we won't doing anything daft, can sign up.Those that are worried about data loss and that the OSMF will make a stupid decision, can wait and see. We'll show how much of the database is potentially covered by the ODbL. We've got some help on modelling that, and we'll aim for at least a weekly update if not daily. We'll also make all the data available needed to calculate that, so if you want to try a different metric or just see what is happening in your local area, everything will be transparent. If you support the share-alike concept, I urge you to accept the new Contributor Terms which provides for a coherent Attribution, Share-Alike license written especially for databases. If you are a Public Domain license supporter, we are divided as a community on which is best and I do urge you to give this one a good try. The Contributor Terms are expressly written to allow us to come back in future years and see what is best without all this fuss about procedure. And if you'd just really like all this hoo-haa to go away and get back to mapping, well, please say yes. ** Some supporting notes: ** () The key thing is that there are about 12,500 contributors who have contributed over 98% of the pre-May data. () I personally really, really want to get a coherent license in place so that my mapping efforts are more widely used. I also really, really don't want us as a community to shoot ourselves in the head and divide. I pledge to continue working with *both* objectives in mind. () The License Working Group will not recommend switching over the license if data loss is unreasonable [3]. We will issue a formal statement to that effect and are attempting to define better what unreasonable means. A totally quantitative criteria is extremely difficult to define ahead of actually seeing what specific problems may arise. But I understand the concern that we are tempted to do something wild. () The License Working Group will ask the OSMF board to issue a similar statement. () We are working to create a process whereby we can model on a regular basis how much of the OSM database is covered by ODbL and how much not. We will make all the data needed to do that public so that anyone can analyse using their own metrics. Work on this is active and being discussed on the dev mailing list. You will need: - An ordinary planet dump. - Access to history data. A public 18GB history dump is available http://planet.openstreetmap.org/full-experimental/full-planet-100801.osm.bz2. The intent is to make this available on a regular basis with difffs. A full re-generation takes several days. - A list of userids of who has and has not accepted the license. Work in progress. () A final vote on whether to switch or not remains an option. But let us see first if data loss really is an issue and what the specific problems might be. Regards to all, Mike License Working Group [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Implementation_Plan#PHASE_2_-_Existing_Contributor_Voluntary_Re-licensing_.28started_10th_August_2010.29 [2] The new Contributor Terms: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms_Summary - Summary http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms - Full text and links to translations [3] https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_76gwvhpcx3 License Working Group minutes, see Item 7 ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Voluntary re-licensing begins
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:35 AM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: How does this align with importing data from CANVEC by merging with JOSM then uploading? OSMF negotiated with NRCan for permission to include CanVec and GeoBase data in OSM under ccbysa and ODbL. No additional issues are raised by importing CanVec, than would be by doing a survey and uploading based on your notes. We have permission. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Voluntary re-licensing begins
Thank you. Cheerio John On 12 August 2010 07:18, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:35 AM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: How does this align with importing data from CANVEC by merging with JOSM then uploading? OSMF negotiated with NRCan for permission to include CanVec and GeoBase data in OSM under ccbysa and ODbL. No additional issues are raised by importing CanVec, than would be by doing a survey and uploading based on your notes. We have permission. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Fwd: Copying campsite numbers and features to OSM
Thought I'd pass this on to the community. -- Forwarded message -- From: Ontario Parks - Comments (MNR) op-comme...@ontarioparks.com Date: Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:00 AM Subject: RE: Copying campsite numbers and features to OSM To: mi...@carterfamily.ca Dear Michael, Thank you for your email. Yes, you may copy the site numbers, comfort station, water pump and other object locations from the reservation system maps, provided that you do not publish the maps themselves. Please note that the maps on the reservation system are not to scale, so you may find variations from the map to what is on the ground. If you do publish any information that is taken from the maps (i.e. that you have not verified yourself), it will be necessary to credit the information source. If you require wording around this, please let us know. Sincerely Ontario Parks -Original Message- From: mi...@carterfamily.ca [mailto:mi...@carterfamily.ca] Sent: July 29, 2010 9:00 AM To: Ontario Parks - Comments (MNR) Subject: Copying campsite numbers and features to OSM Name: G. Michael Carter Subject: Copying campsite numbers and features to OSM Park Name: Comments: Every year I visit at least three of Ontario's Parks camping. I've started a mini project to map out the camp roads, sites, water locations, etc... for each camping trip. Then upload this data on OpenStreetMap.org for all to use. (including the parks if they so wish) Here's and example of my last trip: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.32926lon=-79.31917zoom=17layers= M Could I get permission to copy the site numbers, comfort station, water pump, and other object locations from the reservation system maps. When I'm at the park I plan on verifying all the objects with my GPS, however if I could get permission to copy these things from your reservations maps I could get a rough start. Thanks, Michael ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Voluntary re-licensing begins
On 8/12/2010 7:18 AM, Richard Weait wrote: On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:35 AM, john whelanjwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: How does this align with importing data from CANVEC by merging with JOSM then uploading? OSMF negotiated with NRCan for permission to include CanVec and GeoBase data in OSM under ccbysa and ODbL. No additional issues are raised by importing CanVec, than would be by doing a survey and uploading based on your notes. We have permission. Two questions here: 1) is Toporama WMS included? I assume it is part of GeoBase but just want to be sure 2) did they give permission for the contributors to give the rights to OSMF to re-license the data, as mentioned in the contributor terms? In any case it would be good to have an official page (i.e. not on the wiki where anyone can modified it) of which entities OSMF negotiated with for people who imported work to review and decide if they can accept the contributor terms. Thanks, N. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Voluntary re-licensing begins
Of course the really evil thought would be to look upon it as an excuse to zap the existing road network and bring it in again certainly in Ottawa. Just think roads that met and are routable, roads with the correct names on them. Even though I've spent many hours cleaning up the existing Ottawa road network roads that have the wrong name on them are very difficult to pick out. The roads that were imported from Geobase 2009 with out street names are a lot easier to find and correct. Years ago I was taught clients put quality / reliability first, programmers tend to put speed first, some how I don't think we are ready for the first end users yet. Cheerio John On 12 August 2010 07:18, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:35 AM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: How does this align with importing data from CANVEC by merging with JOSM then uploading? OSMF negotiated with NRCan for permission to include CanVec and GeoBase data in OSM under ccbysa and ODbL. No additional issues are raised by importing CanVec, than would be by doing a survey and uploading based on your notes. We have permission. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] How does JOSM save Changes?
My computer froze last night. I think it missed only the relationships.How does JOSM save fact there is a change to an object in the OSM file? I get the following from my working file: [mcar...@liandra Changes]$ grep node Working5.osm | wc -l 39261 [mcar...@liandra Changes]$ grep way Working5.osm | wc -l 2249 [mcar...@liandra Changes]$ grep relation Working5.osm | wc -l 54 Where the change set has: 22625 nodes: 1617 ways: 8 relations: I want to verify it got all the changed ways/nodes from the file. If so I'll just make a manual file for the missing relations. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Ignore that last question I figured it out.
Seems JOSM has a tag on the object called action node id='20266016' action='delete' ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Ignore that last question I figured it out.
On 10-08-12 06:27 PM, G. Michael Carter wrote: Seems JOSM has a tag on the object called action node id='20266016' action='delete' ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca Hi Michael, The action attribute is also used for updates (action='update'). New objects always have a negative ID. Frank ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
