Re: [Talk-ca] Ref tags in Ontario
I personally don't consider adding prefixes as 'tagging for the map'. They are VERY useful for routers as well. Plus, to be honest, there should be a way to easily identify what type a route is, especially when it changes between classifications, like {3} does several times. Especially if {3} changes at an intersection to \3/ and you're coming into the intersection from the other road. The router would then be able to announce the highway type for you so you can even verify via the shield that you're making the correct turn. Us mappers in the USA have embraced them. It allows people to notice with a quick glance what route type it is without having to dig deep into the data and find the relation. I mean, to be honest, how would you be able figure out what type of route is which when you have the two different routes with the same number on the same segment, if the ref was just "ref=74;74" on the map? [1] (Blame the USA Congress for that one for getting it written into law. I-74 there really should have been another number, like a southern I-79.) Even countries in Europe are embracing the 'prefixes', where you see 'M' for Motorway, 'E' for Euro-routes, etc, when needed in OSM. Honestly, I think Ontario should come out of the 'dark ages' and use prefixes as well, but I'm not going to go around spam adding the 'ON' to the ref tags and get blocked, because of it being against the CA communities wishes (at this time). Also, if all (or at least most) of the Ontario editors would agree on adding the 'ON' to the ref, maybe MapQuest in their 'Open' maps would start rendering the BGS Ontario shield (would look better on the map because the number would be bigger than if using the standard stand-alone shields) on the map for those routes, just like they have done for all of the US state highways. [2] They base the rendering of shields off of the 'ref' tag, not relations, mainly because most states don't have all of their relations done yet either (all US highways and Interstates in all states are already done). -James [1] - https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/48876018 [2] - https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/40.7927/-80.1367&layers=Q > Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 22:00:59 -0400 > From: scr...@gmail.com > To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Ref tags in Ontario > > Hi Kevin > > > Andrewpmk (almost entirely him) and I reversed all of the ON prefixes > > to the 400-Series highways > > Many thanks to you both for doing that. > > > Personally I don't think there should be any prefix for rendering or > > navigation purposes, but I guess it depends on whether you think > > county or regional road prefixes should be there for navigation or > > rendering purposes. > > Prefixes are definitely 'tagging for the map', so shouldn't happen, > IMBO. Ontario's got a fairly robust boundary, so the relations should > sort out what road is in what province. > > cheers > Stewart > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Ref tags in Ontario
Hi Kevin > Andrewpmk (almost entirely him) and I reversed all of the ON prefixes > to the 400-Series highways Many thanks to you both for doing that. > Personally I don't think there should be any prefix for rendering or > navigation purposes, but I guess it depends on whether you think > county or regional road prefixes should be there for navigation or > rendering purposes. Prefixes are definitely 'tagging for the map', so shouldn't happen, IMBO. Ontario's got a fairly robust boundary, so the relations should sort out what road is in what province. cheers Stewart ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Ref tags in Ontario
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 7:51 PM, James Mast wrote: > Well Kevin, > > Well, it seems that the edits from 'OntarioEditor' along the entire 405 were > missed and still have the 'ON' in the ref tag on the ways. > > As for the new user doing it, it's 'North American Highways'. I sent him > both a PM and a comment on a changeset [1] directing him here to the mailing > list. Hopefully he'll respond back to me or post here. For all I know, he > could be the same user above with a new account as he added the 'ON' back to > the ref tag on the 400 [2]. He's also had QEW edits reverted 'TWICE' where > he added the 'ON' to the ref tag. [3] I am starting to work on removing ON prefixes from highways. I have done highways 2-28 so far. This is going to take quite a bit of time. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Ref tags in Ontario
Well Kevin, Well, it seems that the edits from 'OntarioEditor' along the entire 405 were missed and still have the 'ON' in the ref tag on the ways. As for the new user doing it, it's 'North American Highways'. I sent him both a PM and a comment on a changeset [1] directing him here to the mailing list. Hopefully he'll respond back to me or post here. For all I know, he could be the same user above with a new account as he added the 'ON' back to the ref tag on the 400 [2]. He's also had QEW edits reverted 'TWICE' where he added the 'ON' to the ref tag. [3] -James [1] - https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/31782232 [2] - https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/4083201/history [3] - https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/67924382/history From: kevinfarru...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 08:24:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Ref tags in Ontario To: jfd...@hotmail.com CC: rickmastfa...@hotmail.com; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org (Sorry I have to re-email this Daniel - I thought I pressed reply all :P) It was discussed in February in this thread: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/2015-February/006404.html Andrewpmk (almost entirely him) and I reversed all of the ON prefixes to the 400-Series highways, but provincial highways and regional/county roads still retain their prefixes. Personally I don't think there should be any prefix for rendering or navigation purposes, but I guess it depends on whether you think county or regional road prefixes should be there for navigation or rendering purposes. -Kevin (Kevo)-Kevin Farrugia kevinfarru...@gmail.com On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 7:36 AM, Daniel Begin wrote: AFAIK, it has never been discussed at least on this forum. I consider it as an error or even vandalism since it does not conform to acceptable rules (1) A similar behavior has been seen a couple of months ago where user:OntarioEditor added a prefix to ref tag for most primary/secondary roads in Quebec. I contacted him but never had an answer. The question was asked on this list by another user about such behavior. Unfortunately, I did not see any specific answer and his/her edits are still all over the place. Someone has more information? Comments? Daniel(1) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct From: James Mast [mailto:rickmastfa...@hotmail.com] Sent: June-25-15 23:56 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-ca] Ref tags in Ontario I've been noticing that a user has been adding the prefix of 'ON' to the ref tags on ways recently in Ontario. Are you starting to do that now, or is this user in error with the current tagging practices? -James ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Ref tags in Ontario
(Sorry I have to re-email this Daniel - I thought I pressed reply all :P) It was discussed in February in this thread: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/2015-February/006404.html Andrewpmk (almost entirely him) and I reversed all of the ON prefixes to the 400-Series highways, but provincial highways and regional/county roads still retain their prefixes. Personally I don't think there should be any prefix for rendering or navigation purposes, but I guess it depends on whether you think county or regional road prefixes should be there for navigation or rendering purposes. -Kevin (Kevo) -Kevin Farrugia kevinfarru...@gmail.com On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 7:36 AM, Daniel Begin wrote: > AFAIK, it has never been discussed at least on this forum. I consider it > as an error or even vandalism since it does not conform to acceptable rules > (1) > > > > A similar behavior has been seen a couple of months ago where > user:OntarioEditor added a prefix to ref tag for most primary/secondary > roads in Quebec. I contacted him but never had an answer. The question was > asked on this list by another user about such behavior. Unfortunately, I > did not see any specific answer and his/her edits are still all over the > place. > > > > Someone has more information? Comments? > > > > Daniel > > > > > > (1) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct > > > > *From:* James Mast [mailto:rickmastfa...@hotmail.com] > *Sent:* June-25-15 23:56 > *To:* talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > *Subject:* [Talk-ca] Ref tags in Ontario > > > > I've been noticing that a user has been adding the prefix of 'ON' to the > ref tags on ways recently in Ontario. Are you starting to do that now, or > is this user in error with the current tagging practices? > > -James > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Ref tags in Ontario
AFAIK, it has never been discussed at least on this forum. I consider it as an error or even vandalism since it does not conform to acceptable rules (1) A similar behavior has been seen a couple of months ago where user:OntarioEditor added a prefix to ref tag for most primary/secondary roads in Quebec. I contacted him but never had an answer. The question was asked on this list by another user about such behavior. Unfortunately, I did not see any specific answer and his/her edits are still all over the place. Someone has more information? Comments? Daniel (1) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct From: James Mast [mailto:rickmastfa...@hotmail.com] Sent: June-25-15 23:56 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-ca] Ref tags in Ontario I've been noticing that a user has been adding the prefix of 'ON' to the ref tags on ways recently in Ontario. Are you starting to do that now, or is this user in error with the current tagging practices? -James ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca