Re: [Talk-ca] New project update

[Martijn van Exel]

Bjenk — 
Perhaps a micro-tasking tool such as MapRoulette (which I created) would be 
useful to help guide your thinking. I am actively looking for MapRoulette pilot 
projects involving government collaboration. MapRoulette has proven to be a 
very effective tool for solving specific problems or adding specific data types 
to OSM. Let me know if you would like to know more.
Martijn

> On Apr 21, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) 
>  wrote:
> 
> Paul, 
> 
> All this is open for discussion at this point. We are looking at all the 
> options.
> By defining a project its more like stating what information we wish to focus 
> on.
> We hope to work with the OSM community and we are looking at different ways 
> of doing that.
> We also have different data sources that we will be evaluating to potentially 
> link to these buildings.
> 
> Thanks for your feedback!
> 
> Bjenk
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Ramsey [mailto:pram...@cleverelephant.ca] 
> Sent: April-21-16 12:26 PM
> To: Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) 
> Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] New project update
> 
> Hey Bjenk,
> When you say "define a project" are you talking about
> 
> (a) describing a scope of work that StatsCan intends to resource and complete?
> (b) describing a scope of work that StatsCan hopes the OSM community
> will complete on your behalf?
> 
> You've used the passive voice in describing the actual collection in
> your description below, so it's not completely clear who you think
> will be collecting the information.
> 
> ATB,
> 
> P
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN)
>  wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> Basically, what we would like to do is define a project for OSM to collect
>> information about non-residential buildings.
>> We would like to popose a list of what would be collected. We were thinking
>> of identifying specific areas to start with.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Bjenk Ellefsen, PhD
>> 
>> Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur les
>> entreprises
>> Statistics Canada | Statistiques Canada
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Talk-ca] New project update

[Adam Martin]

Hi Bjenk,

I think what Paul meant was more along the lines of what specifically you
wanted to do. You state that you want to define a project, but other than
stating that you want to collect certain information about non-residential
buildings, we have little else to go on.

>From the sound of it, you want to use OSM to collect and map specific
information about these non-residential buildings. Are we talking about the
number of windows in the building or employees? The number of floors or the
specific businesses / activities carried out in them?

Just give us something more to go on and we can discuss it from there :)

Adam

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) <
bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> wrote:

> Paul,
>
> All this is open for discussion at this point. We are looking at all the
> options.
> By defining a project its more like stating what information we wish to
> focus on.
> We hope to work with the OSM community and we are looking at different
> ways of doing that.
> We also have different data sources that we will be evaluating to
> potentially link to these buildings.
>
> Thanks for your feedback!
>
> Bjenk
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Ramsey [mailto:pram...@cleverelephant.ca]
> Sent: April-21-16 12:26 PM
> To: Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) 
> Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] New project update
>
> Hey Bjenk,
> When you say "define a project" are you talking about
>
> (a) describing a scope of work that StatsCan intends to resource and
> complete?
> (b) describing a scope of work that StatsCan hopes the OSM community
> will complete on your behalf?
>
> You've used the passive voice in describing the actual collection in
> your description below, so it's not completely clear who you think
> will be collecting the information.
>
> ATB,
>
> P
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN)
>  wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > Basically, what we would like to do is define a project for OSM to
> collect
> > information about non-residential buildings.
> > We would like to popose a list of what would be collected. We were
> thinking
> > of identifying specific areas to start with.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Bjenk Ellefsen, PhD
> >
> > Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur
> les
> > entreprises
> > Statistics Canada | Statistiques Canada
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Talk-ca] New project update

[Paul Ramsey]

Hey Bjenk,
When you say "define a project" are you talking about

(a) describing a scope of work that StatsCan intends to resource and complete?
(b) describing a scope of work that StatsCan hopes the OSM community
will complete on your behalf?

You've used the passive voice in describing the actual collection in
your description below, so it's not completely clear who you think
will be collecting the information.

ATB,

P


On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN)
 wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> Basically, what we would like to do is define a project for OSM to collect
> information about non-residential buildings.
> We would like to popose a list of what would be collected. We were thinking
> of identifying specific areas to start with.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bjenk Ellefsen, PhD
>
> Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur les
> entreprises
> Statistics Canada | Statistiques Canada
>
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] New project update

[john whelan]

MSF have used this approach in Africa etc with the HOT mapping but you need
the bodies to map the data.  There maybe enough data in OSM already but the
structure/tags might not be as you'd prefer.

Cheerio John

On 21 April 2016 at 11:35, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) <
bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Basically, what we would like to do is define a project for OSM to collect
> information about non-residential buildings.
> We would like to popose a list of what would be collected. We were
> thinking of identifying specific areas to start with.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bjenk Ellefsen, PhD
>
> Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur les
> entreprises
> Statistics Canada | Statistiques Canada
>
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] New project update

[Kevin Farrugia]

Hi Bjenk,

What type of information are you looking to add about buildings? Some data
belongs in OSM while other attributes might be extraneous. Other people on
this list will also add their opinion on this issue I'm sure. If it's
something being done en masse, it's always best to take an abundance of
caution to not upset people at the errors that might crop up.

If you'd like to break work down into smaller chunks, there are tasking
managers available (including a Canada specific one) that help out with
manual tasks.

-Kevin
On Apr 21, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN)" <
bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Basically, what we would like to do is define a project for OSM to collect
> information about non-residential buildings.
> We would like to popose a list of what would be collected. We were
> thinking of identifying specific areas to start with.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bjenk Ellefsen, PhD
>
> Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur les
> entreprises
> Statistics Canada | Statistiques Canada
>
>
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[Talk-ca] New project update

[Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN)]

Hello everyone,

Basically, what we would like to do is define a project for OSM to collect 
information about non-residential buildings.
We would like to popose a list of what would be collected. We were thinking of 
identifying specific areas to start with.

Cheers,

Bjenk Ellefsen, PhD

Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur les 
entreprises
Statistics Canada | Statistiques Canada



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Re: [Talk-ca] Attributs des sentiers de vélo de montagne

[Begin Daniel]

Comme pour toute la classification des routes/sentiers dans OSM, il y a une 
gradation (à l’exception de trunk!-)

… path-footway-track…

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dfootway
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrack

Il y a un réseau de sentier mtb à Sherbrooke ou les trois tags ci-dessus 
devraient être utilisés successivement sur un même tronçon. La description de 
l’infrastructure physique domine, par la suite on réfère à la fonction 
(footway/cycleway) ou via foot=*/ bicycle=*

Daniel


From: john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com]
Sent: April-20-16 21:22
To: Bruno Remy
Cc: talk-ca
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Attributs des sentiers de vélo de montagne

>petits chemins dans des parcs publics
In Ottawa these are very definitely paths not footways, cycling etc is 
permitted.
Cheerio John

2016-04-20 20:52 GMT-04:00 Bruno Remy 
>:
Bonjour,
Remarque très pertinente, Claude.
Cette recommandation mériterait d'être prise en compte, personnellement je 
l'approuve avec une réserve: il semble que l'attribut highway=path soit 
préférable à highway=track car la nuance entre les deux est dans la notion de 
carrossable/non carrossable:
Puisqu'on entend par carrossable la circulation en véhicule, le terme "track" 
s'applique plus aux chemins suffisament large pour un 4-roues, ceux qui donnent 
l'accès aux pourvoiries, cabanes à sucres,  et autres petits châlets, ou 
chemins agricoles pour la circulation des tracteurs et autres engins agricoles.
À l’inverse, "path" s'applique plus aux petits sentiers étroits pour la rando 
et/ou la circulation en vélo de montagne.
Autre remarque à ce sujet: bien souvent il est confondu les tags "highway=path" 
versus "highway=footway".
"Footway" semble plus adapté à des chemins piétons (plus ou moins courts) en 
zone urbaine (trottoirs, passages piétons, petits chemins dans des parcs 
publics) tandis que "path" désignerait plutôt des sentiers de 
petite/moyenne/longue randonnée en zone non-urbaine (une "trail" pour utiliser 
l'anglicisme canadien francophone).
Bruno




Le 20 avril 2016 à 15:21, Alouette955 
> a écrit :
Bonjour,

Au Québec plusieurs sentiers de vélos de montagnes ont  été créés avec les 
attributs de pistes cyclables:

   - highway=cycleway
   - surface=unpaved

Par exemple:

   http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/45.4864/-74.0544=CN

Selon mes lectures, un sentier de vélo de montagne (MTB = MountainBiking) 
devrait se désigner par:

  - highway = track ou path
  - bicycle = yes ou designated
  - surface = ...

   (ces dernières valeurs plus foot=yes sont parfaitement valables pour une 
piste partagée entre vélo et piéton sans pour autant être un sentier de vélo de 
montagne)

et optionnellement

   - mtb:scale = ...
   - mtb:name = ...
   - mtb:description = ...
   - etc ...

ref.: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mountain_biking

Outre ces dernières descriptions physiques il n’y a aucune façon des distinguer 
un sentier cyclable partagé par piéton et cyclistes d’une sentier de vélo de 
montagne puisqu’ils ont les mêmes attributs de base.

J’ai constaté qu’en Colombie-Britanique on a ajouté network=mtb 
(http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/49.3545/-123.0513=CN).

route=mtb a, pour sa part, été utilisé sur 5965 chemins et 5486 relations.

mtb=yes a été utilisé 30154 fois sur des chemins mais qui n’est pas 
officiellement approuvé (ni même proposé selon mes lectures).

Je pense qu’il est utile de distinguer les segments de réseaux cyclables des 
segments de vélo de montagne puisque ces derniers ne sont pas destinés aux 
balades en familles du dimanche.

j’aimerais lancer un projet visant à corriger les attributs “vélo de montagne” 
mais auparavant je voudrais qu’on s’entende sur une façon de faire uniforme.

Utilise-t-on les attributs qui semblent se répandre comme network=mtb, 
route=mtb ou mtb=yes?

On peut aussi se forcer pour ajouter des mtb:scale ou mtb:name ou 
mtb:description alors qu’on en a souvent aucune idée des valeurs. Si j’étais 
adepte de vélo de montagne je pourrais probablement déterminer un mtb:scale 
mais ce n’est malheureusement pas le cas.

En terminant je ne veux pas uniquement tagguer pour un rendu, je veux une façon 
de clairement distinguer deux types d’objets.

Quelqu’un a une idée?

Merci

Claude



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