Re: [Talk-ca] COMS2200 Ottawa, Carleton University

[Tracey P. Lauriault]

Greetings OSM Ottawa and Data Working Group;

It looks like all of the COMS2200A photos have been deleted from OSM
Ottawa.  Is that true? When I look at the map, it does look rather
unpopulated with photos.
Can you please confirm?

Sincerely
Tracey


On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault 
wrote:

> Greetings OSM folks;
>
> I wonder if you could assist.
>
> Students are still getting locked out and are unable to complete their
> assignment. Also, the message they are receiving see below states that you
> were unable to locate me, which we know is not the case.
>
> It would be really great if we let the students finish their assignment
> and that we discuss what to do with the messy data as discussed in earlier
> parts of this stream.
>
> Any assistance would be most appreciated.
> Sincerely
> Tracey
>
> "Dear COMS2200A students,
>
> welcome to OSM and we're happy to see you engaging with our shared
> database.
>
> A few of our community members have taken exception to some of the things
> that you mapped and how you mapped them; many of your edits are not exactly
> following the quality standards we have set for us in OSM which leads us to
> believe that you may not have received the requisite training, especially
> where you've made edits outside of the university district.
>
> Sadly we couldn't find out who the person responsible for this
> class/course/ activity is. A few mappers have commented on edits that you
> made, and pointed out errors or problems; this should have triggered
> e-mails to the address used when registering but the messages seem to have
> been ignored.
>
> Could you please inform your teacher/course leader to get in touch with
> the Canadian community on the talk-ca mailing list (
> lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca) so that we can discuss how to
> continue this exercise without degrading OSM's data quality?
>
> Please pause your editing activity until the matter is cleared up.
> Thank you Frederik Ramm OSMF Data Working Group
>
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you.
>> Lets finish this assignment and then regroup to discuss whether or not
>> this should be done again next year, and if so the best way to do it.
>>
>> The students will need to put together a small reflection piece on the
>> process, that should help.  We will have identified numerous issues and
>> error types, and we will have learned something about students and the OSM
>> community.
>>
>> I am travelling quite a bit this month, if I am here I will attend the
>> next local.  Please let me know when and where they are.
>>
>> Cheerio
>> Tracey
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 8:30 AM, James  wrote:
>>
>>> I think some people are missing the point of the class by saying: Go map
>>> an african village.
>>>
>>> The point was to have students go outside and take photos of real world
>>> items(surveying) and upload them to mapillary
>>> Then the students take the mapillary photo key and add it to the item in
>>> OSM
>>> They are supposed to learn about deriving information from
>>> something(photo, text,etc)
>>>
>>> As I've said to Tracey, I welcome the project, maybe we will get some
>>> new mappers out of it, but they are new mappers(we all started out new at
>>> one point and we've made errors in the past) and if they can learn from the
>>> feedback; all the better.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 8:22 AM, john whelan 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This is primarily to Tracey ca-talk has been cced.

 There are a number of issues here.

 First OSM is growing up.  No longer is it a bunch of mappers who use
 the edit tools or web page to view the map.  The data is live and snapshots
 are taken by various players including OSMAND at points in time.  This can
 be once a month so if there are a small number of mistakes not a big deal.
 If there are a large number in the snapshot then OSMAND users are stuck
 with them until the next off line map is made available.  Because of
 bandwidth costs both to the end user and to OSMAND it can be two or three
 months before the errors are cleared.

 Second the email over Frederick's signature is extremely polite for
 Frederick.  He wrote the book on OSM and is part of the group currently
 looking at whether we need a formal policy for handling edits by groups of
 organised mappers.  The DWG working group is the highest central authority
 within OSM and is concerned with data quality or vandalism.  I think the
 Carlton students edits show there is a very definite need.  A number of
 mappers including myself were hoping there wouldn't be a need for something
 quite so formal.  Note to Frederick if you read this change my response to
 the survey.

 Third OpenStreetMap is very rich in what can be mapped.  In an urban
 area it can be very complex to map.  For 

Re: [Talk-ca] COMS2200 Ottawa, Carleton University

[Tracey P. Lauriault]

Many students have said that their OSM points were deleted. Is there a way
to hold off until this assignment is over? As noted in previous emails, I
was hoping we could keep these entries until the end of the assignment so
that we may assess them.

This is the final week, we were to assess their contribution.

Sincerely
Tracey

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 8:54 PM, James  wrote:

> no photos have been deleted as OSM doesnt support photos, only XML.
>
> There has been deduplication happening as people were adding 10+ of the
> same bench/statue etc. So duplicate items might have been deleted, but
> mapillary tag was transferred over.
>
> On Oct 17, 2017 8:51 PM, "Tracey P. Lauriault"  wrote:
>
> Greetings OSM Ottawa and Data Working Group;
>
> It looks like all of the COMS2200A photos have been deleted from OSM
> Ottawa.  Is that true? When I look at the map, it does look rather
> unpopulated with photos.
> Can you please confirm?
>
> Sincerely
> Tracey
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault 
> wrote:
>
>> Greetings OSM folks;
>>
>> I wonder if you could assist.
>>
>> Students are still getting locked out and are unable to complete their
>> assignment. Also, the message they are receiving see below states that you
>> were unable to locate me, which we know is not the case.
>>
>> It would be really great if we let the students finish their assignment
>> and that we discuss what to do with the messy data as discussed in earlier
>> parts of this stream.
>>
>> Any assistance would be most appreciated.
>> Sincerely
>> Tracey
>>
>> "Dear COMS2200A students,
>>
>> welcome to OSM and we're happy to see you engaging with our shared
>> database.
>>
>> A few of our community members have taken exception to some of the things
>> that you mapped and how you mapped them; many of your edits are not exactly
>> following the quality standards we have set for us in OSM which leads us to
>> believe that you may not have received the requisite training, especially
>> where you've made edits outside of the university district.
>>
>> Sadly we couldn't find out who the person responsible for this
>> class/course/ activity is. A few mappers have commented on edits that you
>> made, and pointed out errors or problems; this should have triggered
>> e-mails to the address used when registering but the messages seem to have
>> been ignored.
>>
>> Could you please inform your teacher/course leader to get in touch with
>> the Canadian community on the talk-ca mailing list (
>> lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca) so that we can discuss how to
>> continue this exercise without degrading OSM's data quality?
>>
>> Please pause your editing activity until the matter is cleared up.
>> Thank you Frederik Ramm OSMF Data Working Group
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you.
>>> Lets finish this assignment and then regroup to discuss whether or not
>>> this should be done again next year, and if so the best way to do it.
>>>
>>> The students will need to put together a small reflection piece on the
>>> process, that should help.  We will have identified numerous issues and
>>> error types, and we will have learned something about students and the OSM
>>> community.
>>>
>>> I am travelling quite a bit this month, if I am here I will attend the
>>> next local.  Please let me know when and where they are.
>>>
>>> Cheerio
>>> Tracey
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 8:30 AM, James  wrote:
>>>
 I think some people are missing the point of the class by saying: Go
 map an african village.

 The point was to have students go outside and take photos of real world
 items(surveying) and upload them to mapillary
 Then the students take the mapillary photo key and add it to the item
 in OSM
 They are supposed to learn about deriving information from
 something(photo, text,etc)

 As I've said to Tracey, I welcome the project, maybe we will get some
 new mappers out of it, but they are new mappers(we all started out new at
 one point and we've made errors in the past) and if they can learn from the
 feedback; all the better.

 On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 8:22 AM, john whelan 
 wrote:

> This is primarily to Tracey ca-talk has been cced.
>
> There are a number of issues here.
>
> First OSM is growing up.  No longer is it a bunch of mappers who use
> the edit tools or web page to view the map.  The data is live and 
> snapshots
> are taken by various players including OSMAND at points in time.  This can
> be once a month so if there are a small number of mistakes not a big deal.
> If there are a large number in the snapshot then OSMAND users are stuck
> with them until the next off line map is made available.  Because of
> bandwidth costs both to the end user 

Re: [Talk-ca] COMS2200 Ottawa, Carleton University

[Tracey P. Lauriault]

Greetings OSM folks;

I wonder if you could assist.

Students are still getting locked out and are unable to complete their
assignment. Also, the message they are receiving see below states that you
were unable to locate me, which we know is not the case.

It would be really great if we let the students finish their assignment and
that we discuss what to do with the messy data as discussed in earlier
parts of this stream.

Any assistance would be most appreciated.
Sincerely
Tracey

"Dear COMS2200A students,

welcome to OSM and we're happy to see you engaging with our shared database.

A few of our community members have taken exception to some of the things
that you mapped and how you mapped them; many of your edits are not exactly
following the quality standards we have set for us in OSM which leads us to
believe that you may not have received the requisite training, especially
where you've made edits outside of the university district.

Sadly we couldn't find out who the person responsible for this
class/course/ activity is. A few mappers have commented on edits that you
made, and pointed out errors or problems; this should have triggered
e-mails to the address used when registering but the messages seem to have
been ignored.

Could you please inform your teacher/course leader to get in touch with the
Canadian community on the talk-ca mailing list (
lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca) so that we can discuss how to
continue this exercise without degrading OSM's data quality?

Please pause your editing activity until the matter is cleared up.
Thank you Frederik Ramm OSMF Data Working Group

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault 
wrote:

> Thank you.
> Lets finish this assignment and then regroup to discuss whether or not
> this should be done again next year, and if so the best way to do it.
>
> The students will need to put together a small reflection piece on the
> process, that should help.  We will have identified numerous issues and
> error types, and we will have learned something about students and the OSM
> community.
>
> I am travelling quite a bit this month, if I am here I will attend the
> next local.  Please let me know when and where they are.
>
> Cheerio
> Tracey
>
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 8:30 AM, James  wrote:
>
>> I think some people are missing the point of the class by saying: Go map
>> an african village.
>>
>> The point was to have students go outside and take photos of real world
>> items(surveying) and upload them to mapillary
>> Then the students take the mapillary photo key and add it to the item in
>> OSM
>> They are supposed to learn about deriving information from
>> something(photo, text,etc)
>>
>> As I've said to Tracey, I welcome the project, maybe we will get some new
>> mappers out of it, but they are new mappers(we all started out new at one
>> point and we've made errors in the past) and if they can learn from the
>> feedback; all the better.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 8:22 AM, john whelan 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is primarily to Tracey ca-talk has been cced.
>>>
>>> There are a number of issues here.
>>>
>>> First OSM is growing up.  No longer is it a bunch of mappers who use the
>>> edit tools or web page to view the map.  The data is live and snapshots are
>>> taken by various players including OSMAND at points in time.  This can be
>>> once a month so if there are a small number of mistakes not a big deal.  If
>>> there are a large number in the snapshot then OSMAND users are stuck with
>>> them until the next off line map is made available.  Because of bandwidth
>>> costs both to the end user and to OSMAND it can be two or three months
>>> before the errors are cleared.
>>>
>>> Second the email over Frederick's signature is extremely polite for
>>> Frederick.  He wrote the book on OSM and is part of the group currently
>>> looking at whether we need a formal policy for handling edits by groups of
>>> organised mappers.  The DWG working group is the highest central authority
>>> within OSM and is concerned with data quality or vandalism.  I think the
>>> Carlton students edits show there is a very definite need.  A number of
>>> mappers including myself were hoping there wouldn't be a need for something
>>> quite so formal.  Note to Frederick if you read this change my response to
>>> the survey.
>>>
>>> Third OpenStreetMap is very rich in what can be mapped.  In an urban
>>> area it can be very complex to map.  For example currently there is a push
>>> within OpenStreetMap to add more information for the disabled.
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disabilities but exactly how one adds
>>> tactile_paving = yes correctly is something I still have to work out.  The
>>> City of Ottawa is currently adding  tactile_paving at many road
>>> junctions and for blind people it is very useful as many junctions now have
>>> slopes rather than curb stones which makes it difficult to know