Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 Calgary Challenges and Best Practices
Whoops, put a closing quote on the alias (I truncated an apostrophe at the end of that line). And, of course, press return at the end of commands to the shell (command line interface). After this, you can "go get plugins" and configure them as you like. Now you are off and running JOSM on a Mac, I hope. SteveA ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 Calgary Challenges and Best Practices
Tim, I offer you relatively simple steps which work on macOS High Sierra. You might email me off list (if you get stuck), or I'll be brief here. Install Java Runtime Environment or JDK. Current is Version 8 Update 161. This is figure-out-able: not hard, though it has steps and takes reasonable, but some time. Download JOSM, the josm-tested.jar version. Move this (jarfile) into Applications folder. Open Applications/Utilities/Terminal, get a shell. To start/launch JOSM with 1 gigabyte of heap space (substitute 2048 for 2 GB...), try: java -Dsun.java2d.opengl=true -Xmx1024m -jar /Applications/josm-tested.jar You can put an alias into your .tcshrc file (if you are using out-of-the-box tcsh, and on macOS 10.13.3, that's what you get) like this: alias jt 'java -Dsun.java2d.opengl=true -Xmx2048m -jar /Applications/josm-tested.jar so that every time you log in with that user account, launching JOSM is as simple as Open Terminal, type jt return. Use Safari (current is 11.0.3) on macOS High Sierra as an OSM map browser, along with a credentialed OSM account, it smoothly does iD (too). Though, I recommend one or the other and not at the same time, as JOSM together WITH iD editing the same geographic area on the same Mac(nine) at the same time can be confusing. If you have older machines, I think I could recommend creaky, hoary old JOSM jarfiles all the way back to Snow Leopard 10.6.8, but I truly do not recommend this. Use a machine that will run what the latest JOSM needs (always), especially and including the version of Java that JOSM wants/needs. Older than that and you invite OSM data incompatibilities. SteveA > On Mar 23, 2018, at 10:58 AM, Tim Elrick wrote: > We experienced the ‘no bbox issue’ using the latest version of Firefox > (however, it doesn’t work on Chrome either). The bbox in iD is present when > using Firefox ESR version though. > Maybe we really should only use JOSM even for mapathons. The installation is > a bit more challenging (esp. apparently on a Mac) and, of course, there are > far more options to choose from (and mess up ;-) ). But using the building > tool plugin only combined with shortcuts A B S and X is IMHO not more > complicated than iD. > > Tim > > Am 23.03.2018 um 11:12 schrieb James : > >> depends if you are using chrome or not, seems like a mixed content error(tm >> is http and osm is https) chrome now blocks mixed content. >> >> Last time I tried to enable HTTPS on TM2 it broke syncing with JOSM as it >> would try to open up a self signed cert(not accepted by default) on port >> 8112 with no errors or feedback. So I either brake ID boundaries or >> JOSM(unless a user knows how to accept cert) ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 Calgary Challenges and Best Practices
We experienced the ‘no bbox issue’ using the latest version of Firefox (however, it doesn’t work on Chrome either). The bbox in iD is present when using Firefox ESR version though. Maybe we really should only use JOSM even for mapathons. The installation is a bit more challenging (esp. apparently on a Mac) and, of course, there are far more options to choose from (and mess up ;-) ). But using the building tool plugin only combined with shortcuts A B S and X is IMHO not more complicated than iD. Tim > Am 23.03.2018 um 11:12 schrieb James : > > depends if you are using chrome or not, seems like a mixed content error(tm > is http and osm is https) chrome now blocks mixed content. > > Last time I tried to enable HTTPS on TM2 it broke syncing with JOSM as it > would try to open up a self signed cert(not accepted by default) on port 8112 > with no errors or feedback. So I either brake ID boundaries or JOSM(unless a > user knows how to accept cert) > >> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 11:01 AM Jonathan Brown, wrote: >> It would be good to have a screen shot demonstrating these kinds of errors. >> We could use these screen shots of good and bad examples to demonstrate good >> practices. James, will the TM2 issue affect our March 29 mapathon? >> >> >> >> Jonathan >> >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 Calgary Challenges and Best Practices
Combination of bringing their own and facilitators from Durham Region using their work laptops. To simplify things, we could set up a few facilitators with JAVA-installed machines. From: john whelan Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 11:54 AM To: James Cc: Jonathan Brown; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 Calgary Challenges and Best Practices So one way would be to teach a subset of JOSM? I had Carlton mapathon with new mappers do building outlines in JOSM, its very simple, fast and accurate a much better tool than iD for building outlines. However it does need JAVA on the machine and a few minutes set up. Question to Jonathon who do the machines belong to? If its the students own then ask them to install JAVA before they come and we can sort out some fairly simple instructions. If they are provided then you may need to check the policy on what can be installed. Cheerio John On 23 March 2018 at 11:12, James wrote: depends if you are using chrome or not, seems like a mixed content error(tm is http and osm is https) chrome now blocks mixed content. Last time I tried to enable HTTPS on TM2 it broke syncing with JOSM as it would try to open up a self signed cert(not accepted by default) on port 8112 with no errors or feedback. So I either brake ID boundaries or JOSM(unless a user knows how to accept cert) On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 11:01 AM Jonathan Brown, wrote: It would be good to have a screen shot demonstrating these kinds of errors. We could use these screen shots of good and bad examples to demonstrate good practices. James, will the TM2 issue affect our March 29 mapathon? Jonathan ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 Calgary Challenges and Best Practices
So one way would be to teach a subset of JOSM? I had Carlton mapathon with new mappers do building outlines in JOSM, its very simple, fast and accurate a much better tool than iD for building outlines. However it does need JAVA on the machine and a few minutes set up. Question to Jonathon who do the machines belong to? If its the students own then ask them to install JAVA before they come and we can sort out some fairly simple instructions. If they are provided then you may need to check the policy on what can be installed. Cheerio John On 23 March 2018 at 11:12, James wrote: > depends if you are using chrome or not, seems like a mixed content > error(tm is http and osm is https) chrome now blocks mixed content. > > Last time I tried to enable HTTPS on TM2 it broke syncing with JOSM as it > would try to open up a self signed cert(not accepted by default) on port > 8112 with no errors or feedback. So I either brake ID boundaries or > JOSM(unless a user knows how to accept cert) > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 11:01 AM Jonathan Brown, wrote: > >> It would be good to have a screen shot demonstrating these kinds of >> errors. We could use these screen shots of good and bad examples to >> demonstrate good practices. James, will the TM2 issue affect our March 29 >> mapathon? >> >> >> >> Jonathan >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 Calgary Challenges and Best Practices
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020#The_data_that_could_be_mapped It's a bit understated but adding the type of building terrace, detached etc and the number of stories is of great interest. House numbers as well if not present. This is all boots on the ground or local knowledge stuff that cannot often be done from imageryand there isn't a problem with the outlines being drawn incorrectly. This is the data that is simplest to map for new mappers and cannot be done any other way. The building outlines, well NRcan are looking at making these available through the Federal government open data portal beside the work that Stats can is doing. To me accurate building outlines can be brought in from Open Data perhaps not this month but in the foreseeable future. Cheerio John On 23 March 2018 at 10:56, Jonathan Brown wrote: > It would be good to have a screen shot demonstrating these kinds of > errors. We could use these screen shots of good and bad examples to > demonstrate good practices. James, will the TM2 issue affect our March 29 > mapathon? > > > > Jonathan > > > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 Calgary Challenges and Best Practices
Maybe IE<9? 😅 On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 11:25 AM john whelan, wrote: > Is there a browser that works? > > Thanks John > > On 23 March 2018 at 11:20, James wrote: > >> tested on ff, same issue boundary box no longer shows >> >> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 11:18 AM john whelan, >> wrote: >> >>> So firefox would be fine? >>> >>> Thanks John >>> >>> On 23 March 2018 at 11:12, James wrote: >>> depends if you are using chrome or not, seems like a mixed content error(tm is http and osm is https) chrome now blocks mixed content. Last time I tried to enable HTTPS on TM2 it broke syncing with JOSM as it would try to open up a self signed cert(not accepted by default) on port 8112 with no errors or feedback. So I either brake ID boundaries or JOSM(unless a user knows how to accept cert) On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 11:01 AM Jonathan Brown, wrote: > It would be good to have a screen shot demonstrating these kinds of > errors. We could use these screen shots of good and bad examples to > demonstrate good practices. James, will the TM2 issue affect our March 29 > mapathon? > > > > Jonathan > > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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Is there a browser that works? Thanks John On 23 March 2018 at 11:20, James wrote: > tested on ff, same issue boundary box no longer shows > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 11:18 AM john whelan, wrote: > >> So firefox would be fine? >> >> Thanks John >> >> On 23 March 2018 at 11:12, James wrote: >> >>> depends if you are using chrome or not, seems like a mixed content >>> error(tm is http and osm is https) chrome now blocks mixed content. >>> >>> Last time I tried to enable HTTPS on TM2 it broke syncing with JOSM as >>> it would try to open up a self signed cert(not accepted by default) on port >>> 8112 with no errors or feedback. So I either brake ID boundaries or >>> JOSM(unless a user knows how to accept cert) >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 11:01 AM Jonathan Brown, >>> wrote: >>> It would be good to have a screen shot demonstrating these kinds of errors. We could use these screen shots of good and bad examples to demonstrate good practices. James, will the TM2 issue affect our March 29 mapathon? Jonathan ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-ca mailing list >>> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> >>> >> ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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tested on ff, same issue boundary box no longer shows On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 11:18 AM john whelan, wrote: > So firefox would be fine? > > Thanks John > > On 23 March 2018 at 11:12, James wrote: > >> depends if you are using chrome or not, seems like a mixed content >> error(tm is http and osm is https) chrome now blocks mixed content. >> >> Last time I tried to enable HTTPS on TM2 it broke syncing with JOSM as it >> would try to open up a self signed cert(not accepted by default) on port >> 8112 with no errors or feedback. So I either brake ID boundaries or >> JOSM(unless a user knows how to accept cert) >> >> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 11:01 AM Jonathan Brown, >> wrote: >> >>> It would be good to have a screen shot demonstrating these kinds of >>> errors. We could use these screen shots of good and bad examples to >>> demonstrate good practices. James, will the TM2 issue affect our March 29 >>> mapathon? >>> >>> >>> >>> Jonathan >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-ca mailing list >>> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> >> > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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So firefox would be fine? Thanks John On 23 March 2018 at 11:12, James wrote: > depends if you are using chrome or not, seems like a mixed content > error(tm is http and osm is https) chrome now blocks mixed content. > > Last time I tried to enable HTTPS on TM2 it broke syncing with JOSM as it > would try to open up a self signed cert(not accepted by default) on port > 8112 with no errors or feedback. So I either brake ID boundaries or > JOSM(unless a user knows how to accept cert) > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 11:01 AM Jonathan Brown, wrote: > >> It would be good to have a screen shot demonstrating these kinds of >> errors. We could use these screen shots of good and bad examples to >> demonstrate good practices. James, will the TM2 issue affect our March 29 >> mapathon? >> >> >> >> Jonathan >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 Calgary Challenges and Best Practices
depends if you are using chrome or not, seems like a mixed content error(tm is http and osm is https) chrome now blocks mixed content. Last time I tried to enable HTTPS on TM2 it broke syncing with JOSM as it would try to open up a self signed cert(not accepted by default) on port 8112 with no errors or feedback. So I either brake ID boundaries or JOSM(unless a user knows how to accept cert) On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 11:01 AM Jonathan Brown, wrote: > It would be good to have a screen shot demonstrating these kinds of > errors. We could use these screen shots of good and bad examples to > demonstrate good practices. James, will the TM2 issue affect our March 29 > mapathon? > > > > Jonathan > > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 Calgary Challenges and Best Practices
It would be good to have a screen shot demonstrating these kinds of errors. We could use these screen shots of good and bad examples to demonstrate good practices. James, will the TM2 issue affect our March 29 mapathon? Jonathan ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
