Re: [Talk-ca] Open Database of Buildings / Base de données ouvertes sur les immeubles

[Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN)]

Hi Janes, John and all,

Sure, it will be up to the OSM community to discuss, decide and organize as 
deemed appropriate.

The data are out there, released under one single open data lincese! (Open 
Government License - 
Canada<https://open.canada.ca/en/open-government-licence-canada>)

My hope is that much more will follow soon!

Regards,
Alessandro

From: John Whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com]
Sent: November-01-18 2:22 PM
To: talk-ca 
Cc: Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN) 
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Open Database of Buildings / Base de données ouvertes 
sur les immeubles

I think on the OSM side we probably need to think this one through and get 
organised.

In Ottawa on the first import we went through all the steps to do the import 
including getting agreement with the local mappers and we were very fortunate 
in having an organised team of competent local mappers to do the import.

It went reasonably smoothly but there were some questions asked and one or two 
buildings were probably remapped which raised some eyebrows.  Since its been 
released under the federal government open data license licensing isn't an 
issue.

If we do nothing on the organising side then we will almost certainly get 
individuals importing Open Data in an ad hoc mode as has been happening in Nova 
Scotia recently.

My feeling is it would be better if mappers in the major cities / regions such 
as Toronto and Montreal took the lead for their cities / regions.

Cheerio John



Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN) wrote on 2018-11-01 2:06 PM:

Released today!  / Diffusée aujourd’hui
Share with your networks ! / Partagez avec vos réseaux !


***(EN)
Open Building Data: an exploratory initiative
This exploratory initiative aims at enhancing the use and harmonization of open 
building data from government sources for the purpose of contributing to the 
creation of a complete, comprehensive and open database of buildings in Canada. 
The outcome of this exploratory work is a first version of the Open Database of 
Buildings<https://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/open-building-data/open-database> 
(ODB), a centralized and harmonized repository of building data made available 
under the Open Government License - 
Canada<https://open.canada.ca/en/open-government-licence-canada>.
This initiative originates from insights taken from the Statistics Canada pilot 
project<https://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/open-building-data/crowdsourcing-osm> on 
data crowdsourcing, which used OpenStreetMap as a platform for integrating data 
on building footprints. In addition to the possible benefits of crowdsourcing, 
that project highlighted the potential of integrating open data from municipal, 
regional, and provincial governments to meet the needs of official statistics.
In its current version (version 1.0), the ODB contains approximately 4.3 
million building footprints.
https://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/open-building-data/index
Open Database of 
Buildings<https://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/open-building-data/open-database> (ODB),

*** (FR)
Données ouvertes sur les immeubles : une initiative exploratoire
Cette initiative exploratoire vise à accroître l'utilisation et l'harmonisation 
des données ouvertes sur les immeubles provenant de sources gouvernementales en 
vue de contribuer à la mise en œuvre d'une base de données complète, exhaustive 
et ouverte sur les immeubles au Canada. Le travail exploratoire a mené à la 
création d'une première version de la Base de données ouverte sur les 
immeubles<https://www.statcan.gc.ca/fra/donnees-ouvertes-immeubles/base-donnees-ouvertes>
 (BDOI), un référentiel centralisé et harmonisé des données sur les immeubles 
rendu public en vertu de la Licence du gouvernement ouvert du 
Canada<https://ouvert.canada.ca/fr/licence-du-gouvernement-ouvert-canada>.
Cette initiative est fondée sur les leçons tirées du projet pilote de 
Statistique 
Canada<https://www.statcan.gc.ca/fra/donnees-ouvertes-immeubles/approche-participative-osm>
 sur l'approche participative en matière de données, qui avait employé 
OpenStreetMap comme plateforme d'intégration des données sur les empreintes 
d'immeubles. En plus des avantages potentiels de l'approche participative, ce 
projet a mis en lumière la possibilité d'intégrer les données ouvertes des 
administrations publiques municipales, régionales et provinciales afin de 
répondre aux besoins en matière de statistiques officielles.
Dans sa version actuelle (version 1.0), la BDOI contient environ 4,3 millions 
d'empreintes d'immeubles.
https://www.statcan.gc.ca/fra/donnees-ouvertes-immeubles/index

Base de données ouverte sur les 
immeubles<https://www.statcan.gc.ca/fra/donnees-ouvertes-immeubles/base-donnees-ouvertes>
 (BDOI)


Alessandro Alasia
Chief | Chef
Data Exploration and Integration Lab (DEIL) | Lab pour l’exploration et 
l’intégration de données (LEID)
Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur les 
entreprises
Statistics C

[Talk-ca] Open Database of Buildings / Base de données ouvertes sur les immeubles

[Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN)]

Released today!  / Diffusée aujourd’hui
Share with your networks ! / Partagez avec vos réseaux !


***(EN)
Open Building Data: an exploratory initiative

This exploratory initiative aims at enhancing the use and harmonization of open 
building data from government sources for the purpose of contributing to the 
creation of a complete, comprehensive and open database of buildings in Canada. 
The outcome of this exploratory work is a first version of the Open Database of 
Buildings 
(ODB), a centralized and harmonized repository of building data made available 
under the Open Government License - 
Canada.
This initiative originates from insights taken from the Statistics Canada pilot 
project on 
data crowdsourcing, which used OpenStreetMap as a platform for integrating data 
on building footprints. In addition to the possible benefits of crowdsourcing, 
that project highlighted the potential of integrating open data from municipal, 
regional, and provincial governments to meet the needs of official statistics.

In its current version (version 1.0), the ODB contains approximately 4.3 
million building footprints.
https://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/open-building-data/index
Open Database of 
Buildings (ODB),

***  (FR)
Données ouvertes sur les immeubles : une initiative exploratoire

Cette initiative exploratoire vise à accroître l'utilisation et l'harmonisation 
des données ouvertes sur les immeubles provenant de sources gouvernementales en 
vue de contribuer à la mise en œuvre d'une base de données complète, exhaustive 
et ouverte sur les immeubles au Canada. Le travail exploratoire a mené à la 
création d'une première version de la Base de données ouverte sur les 
immeubles
 (BDOI), un référentiel centralisé et harmonisé des données sur les immeubles 
rendu public en vertu de la Licence du gouvernement ouvert du 
Canada.
Cette initiative est fondée sur les leçons tirées du projet pilote de 
Statistique 
Canada
 sur l'approche participative en matière de données, qui avait employé 
OpenStreetMap comme plateforme d'intégration des données sur les empreintes 
d'immeubles. En plus des avantages potentiels de l'approche participative, ce 
projet a mis en lumière la possibilité d'intégrer les données ouvertes des 
administrations publiques municipales, régionales et provinciales afin de 
répondre aux besoins en matière de statistiques officielles.
Dans sa version actuelle (version 1.0), la BDOI contient environ 4,3 millions 
d'empreintes d'immeubles.
https://www.statcan.gc.ca/fra/donnees-ouvertes-immeubles/index

Base de données ouverte sur les 
immeubles
 (BDOI)


Alessandro Alasia
Chief | Chef
Data Exploration and Integration Lab (DEIL) | Lab pour l’exploration et 
l’intégration de données (LEID)
Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur les 
entreprises
Statistics Canada | Statistique Canada
alessandro.ala...@canada.ca / (613) 796-6049


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Re: [Talk-ca] Fwd: BC2020i - update Sept 2018

[Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN)]

Hi Steve,
If you read the email, you would see I did mention OSM (and it was sent to 
several people active with OSM in Canada, who rightly started a discussion on 
talk-ca).

Specifically about your question: I do not think it is up to me to tell what 
should be the role of the OSM communities across Canada. They will decide. Of 
course, I would hope to have many involved, but there are certainly different 
views and priorities and that is perfectly fine.

I will welcome any outcome of those decisions. But I would be more concerned 
about the manner in which discussions take place and the governance systems 
surrounding the possible decision making process.
Online discussion forums are a great tool to discuss and generate consensus. 
But I am certainly not revealing anything new in saying that online forums can 
become channels through which ideas are misrepresented (if not distorted) and 
extremely vocal individuals, with troll-like behaviours, discourage others from 
expressing their views and be part of constructive discussions. Occasionally, 
it may even happen that people expressing different views are targeted 
off-line, with rather aggressive and annoying emails. This can quickly turn a 
great tool for democratic participation and consultation in its opposite. Of 
course, I am talking in general, right?
Nevertheless, as the Canadian OSM communities continue to grow, they may have 
to address some of the issues related to their governance system(s). This may 
strengthen their voices and an authentic representation of their needs and 
aspirations, in connection with, and as an expression of, local groups across 
Canada. Ideally, an enhanced governance system for relevant decision making 
would include transparent participation mechanisms and some form of 
accountability to the communities themselves. Having this would probably 
facilitate the dialogue between institutions and OSM groups and eventually 
unleash the real power of civic data science.

Finally, I do not think there was anything wrong with BC2020 or BC2020i (to 
begin with, they are the same thing; the "i" was a nice suggestion of a 
colleague, which ensured a unique hashtag in twitter). This is not to say that 
this initiative is perfect. New and innovative ideas do not hatch perfect; they 
always need a lot of improvements and refining, and there is nothing wrong with 
that.

So to conclude, I can tell you what our (i.e., my team) role can be in BC2020i 
(in short: do our small part for more and better data available to all 
Canadian; in the specific case: our goal is to create an harmonized database of 
building footprints, available under a single open data license compatible with 
OMS, which would be available to all OMS groups interested in using it, 
importing, etc., as well as to all Canadians).

We will continue to work in this direction, with all groups and entities that 
are interested in making meaningful and concrete contributions toward that goal.

I trust this answer your questions. I would like to have more time to write 
emails, but unfortunately that is not the case, so do not be offended if I will 
not continue this conversation.

Best regards,

Alessandro

From: OSM Volunteer stevea [mailto:stevea...@softworkers.com]
Sent: September-16-18 8:00 AM
To: talk-ca 
Cc: Matthew Darwin ; Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN) 

Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Fwd: BC2020i - update Sept 2018

Matthew, I personally thank you for sharing Alessandro's missive with talk-ca 
(an OSM-based list).

However, Alessandro mentions "BC2020i" (and even "BC2020i-2"), initiatives 
which "used" (or proposed to "use") OSM as a data repository.  Not wishing to 
rehash history about this yet again, the initiative was found to not fully 
respect some basic tenets of OSM (primarily that process and importation of 
data be "Open") and a genuine attempt was made (partly rather publicly here) to 
re-imagine a re-branded project (BC2020, no "i") which more openly and 
harmoniously integrated with a wider OSM community using familiar and more-open 
communications channels like our wiki and this talk-list.

As Alessandro didn't mention OSM one single time in that message, yet it was 
forwarded to this list, I remain quite curious what role OSM is to or might 
play in any "BC2020i-2" initiative.  So, I invite / politely request Alessandro 
to post here exactly what that is or will be.  Is it a national-scale import of 
the Bing building data (as he says "what they did in the US")?  I realize that 
from STATCAN's and indeed a much wider Canadian perspective, this "initiative" 
will be much more than that, benefiting many, and for that I do share 
enthusiasm.  Still, I ask the specific question from an OSM perspective:  what 
role will our mapping project play?

Please, Alessandro, address OSM directly (in this list) what OSM is to 
BC2020i-2.  You might start by addres

[Talk-ca] Building Canada 2020 initiative

[Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN)]

Hello all!

Statistics Canada was a partner of the 2017 HOT Summit held in Ottawa, Sept 
14-15. In parallel to the summit, Statistics Canada hosted a workshop to 
discuss the possibility of launching a community-led initiative titled 
"Building Canada 2020".

The goal and vision of this initiative is simple: map all buildings in Canada 
on OSM by the year 2020. The workshop was well attended. There were about 50 
people from various sectors (federal, academic, civic group, and private). This 
was a preliminary discussion amongst a small group of people, but now that 
broad interest has been confirmed more stakeholders need to be involved!

A short summary of the workshop along with a first draft Roadmap to 
implementation has been posted on the OSM Wiki at: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020

Everyone that shares the vision of "mapping all buildings in Canada on OSM by 
the year 2020" is invited to contribute to the discussion and the roadmap to 
implementation. In addition, there is still need to discuss how coordination, 
communication and governance of this initiative can be set in place.

One important aspect that needs to be emphasized is that "Building Canada 2020" 
is not a Statistics Canada project. In fact, it is not properly a project of 
any sort. It is a vision and an aspirational goal. The hope is that many 
organizations and contributors working with an open data resource (OSM) can 
coordinate their efforts through a multitude of projects, initiatives, and 
activities towards a common goal that would benefit society at large.

My team at Statistics Canada (DEIL) has been working on a pilot project with 
OSM (which was presented at the HOT Summit). We are looking at the possibility 
of a second Statistics Canada project to expand to other cities the work done 
with the pilot in Ottawa and Gatineau. If this happens, this StatCan project 
would contribute to, and align with, the Building Canada 2020 initiative. 
Hopefully this will be but one of many projects and activities contributing to 
the vision. Where possible, we would be happy to coordinate work with other 
organizations or groups that share the vision. We would also be happy to share 
experiences and the tools developed while working with building information on 
OSM.

We look forward to further collaboration with the OSM communities as we move 
forward with the second phase of our project and expand to more cities.

Best regards
Alessandro and DEIL Team


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