Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada building project

[Stewart Russell]

But they can't use OGL-CA v2 cos municipalities aren't federal. And
anything but the actual few already approved licences need a multi-month
review.

 Stewart

On Sep 27, 2017 18:28, "James"  wrote:

> other then have them change their license from say ogl-ca v1 to ogl-cav2
>
> theres not much we can do from a legal stand point. ogl-ca v1 puts too
> many restrictions
>
> On Sep 27, 2017 6:21 PM, "Matthew Darwin"  wrote:
>
>> How do we want to move this discussion forward?  Do we need to set up a
>> time to talk on the phone? I am willing to help coordinate logistics.
>>
>> On 2017-09-17 10:55 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-09-17 10:40 AM, john whelan wrote:
>>>
 They'd like to extend it across Canada so now might be the time to think
 about the project.

>>> That sounds good. Despite some prodding, the Licence Working Group (LWG)
>>> hasn't got back to me with any updates on how they want to handle the
>>> Toronto or Ontario licences. I first contacted them in March, so if it
>>> takes them six months or more to look at the licence, then this import
>>> is a multi year (if not multi-decade) project. Remember, LWG has decided
>>> that *every* Canadian licence variant needs their sign-off.
>>>
>>> Denis Carr (open data lead) from Toronto has been on board since the
>>> spring, and I hope hasn't forgotten us.
>>>
>>> Toronto has nice building outlines (embedded in the 3D Massing data set,
>>> so we can pull out base elevation and height). We also have address
>>> points already in the middle of buildings.
>>>
>>> It also is of great help that the Esri Community Imagery includes some
>>> very nice municipal air photos for verification.
>>>
>>>   Stewart
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Re: [Talk-ca] OGL licenses

[Stewart Russell]

On Jun 2, 2017 6:40 PM, "john whelan"  wrote:

Treasury Board Canada's Open Data License 2.0 has been reviewed by the
legal working group and deemed OK.  The City of Ottawa's license which was
derived from the TB one has been accepted.


Yes, the whole Federal licence has passed LWG muster. Ottawa and a select
few other places like Vancouver have too.


TB is coming out with a tool kit for open data for the municipalities which
includes the suggested licence.


We don't know what this will look like yet, and if munis have any latitude
to change it, they likely will and thus break it.

Licences which are not based not the TB license such as Toronto and Ontario
are going through LWG at the moment.


But this review is only of Ontario and Toronto. There are hundreds of tiny
variations across the country, so there can be no blanket approval. Even
differences in punctuation matter.

Even if we got Toronto approval, that wouldn't cover the Toronto Public
Library data, for example. That's under a different licence still.


So for the moment I would suggest you help yourself to City of Ottawa Open
Data and that available through the TB portal


Not just TB, but all of data.GC.ca is under the federal OGL-CA 2.0. This
includes NRCan, Industry Canada, and many others. But not the federal
shipping charts or aviation data: those are still vigorously protected.

 Stewart
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[Talk-ca] In progress: Clearances for Ontario and Toronto Open Data Licences

[Stewart Russell]

Just so folks know, there are a few initiatives going on that could lead us
to using Ontario and Toronto open data.

I requested the LWG review the licences last month. This will take a few
months to rattle through the system.

Also last month on Open Data Day, there were useful contacts made at the
Ontario Treasury Board. I will be back in touch with them once the LWG
result comes through.

Just last week, Brian Bancroft made a great contact at the city of Toronto,
and discussions are just starting.

So it's a start, at least ...

 Stewart
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Re: [Talk-ca] Wikidata in OpenStreetMap

[Stewart Russell]

On Nov 11, 2016 6:04 AM, "James"  wrote:
>
> The other tags are precisions (instead of doing massive spatial joins)
> you will know that say Ottawa is in Ontario

I disagree that these need to be added. is_in* seems to be deprecated, and
we have (or should have) robust boundary=administrative data for Canada.

My main complaints about is_in are:
* it's freeform, so you can't reliably create a relation to the parent
entity from the text;
* it's language sensitive, so you could in theory have no end of localized
versions.

Stewart
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Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa has changed its Open Data licence.

[Stewart Russell]

On Sep 15, 2016 08:08, "Kevin Farrugia"  wrote:
>
> I think Stewart means make sure that the City has the rights to
distribute it if the data is created by some third party.

Thanks, Kevin. That's exactly what I meant.

As was mentioned on the thread I linked to, a UK open address group found
that one of their datasets was derived from a Google Maps geolocation
service. This meant that the data org couldn't use it, even though the data
had a nominal OGL licence. This open data org had government funding and
support at a very senior level, yet couldn't get past this hurdle.

So it's not a question of who owns the facilities, but rather if some third
party has rights lurking in the data. And this would be something we'd have
to ask about.

Cheers
Stewart
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Re: [Talk-ca] [Import] Local community approval building & addresses in Peel region

[Stewart Russell]

Hi James,

> If you are asking if we are going to just dump a whole lot of data as is in a 
> region, the answer is no.

No, I knew you weren't just planning to do that. I was asking if the
import was going to be done through dedicated accounts, as it should
be.

These address points, once we get the licence sorted out, should add
to previous work from Metrolinx and others to really help with
geolocation in the GTHA. So, thanks for thinking of us!

cheers,
 Stewart

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Re: [Talk-ca] [Import] Local community approval building & addresses in Peel region

[Stewart Russell]

Hi Dennis - thanks for getting back to me.

> We will be using the Tasking Manager to import small chunks of data that
can be downloaded via each individual tasks.

So these could possibly be carried out by regular user accounts, not the
dedicated import accounts as required by the guidelines?

Cheers
Stewart
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[Talk-ca] Fwd: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence compatibility: Open Data Licence for The Regional Municipality of Peel (Version 1.0)

[Stewart Russell]

I checked on OSM-legal. Would probably work if we had a statement from Peel
agreeing to inclusion. As is, it's likely not compatible.

Stewart

-- Forwarded message --
From: "Simon Poole" 
Date: Sep 8, 2016 13:57
Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence compatibility: Open Data Licence for
The Regional Municipality of Peel (Version 1.0)
To: 
Cc:

>
> The additional terms are "a bit of" a problem, however might be
surmountable if they are willing to give us a statement specifically for
the inclusion in OSM (along the lines of that they agree that the inclusion
of the data in OpenStreetMap and distribution on terms of an open and free
licence fulfils the conditions).
>
> All variants of the OGL have a further issue in that you actually have to
verify that the Licensor has the necessary rights to licence -all- the
material in their dataset to you on these terms. This might seem like a
theoretical hurdle invented by me, alas it is not, as some of our UK
colleagues can testify.
>
> Simon
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Re: [Talk-ca] [Import] Local community approval building & addresses in Peel region

[Stewart Russell]

Hi James:

As per the import guide lines I wish to seek approval for importing
> building outlines and addresses in the region of Peel.
>
> Documentation is available here:
> https://github.com/osmottawa/imports/blob/master/Peel-Region.md
>

Seems like a decent outline, though I have questions:

   1. Is the Region of Peel licence compatible? I see that it has automatic
   termination on breech (like many OGL clones) but it also adds "ensure that
   Your Use of the Information does not breach or infringe upon any applicable
   laws". This may add usage implications for those downstream.
   (Some folks from Peel came to a Toronto Mappy Hour a few years back.
   They might be willing to give permission to use the data under an
   ODbL-compatible licence.)
   2. How will you be handling overlapping existing buildings?
   3. Will you be posting these notes to the OSM wiki? It's a requirement
   of the guidelines (
   
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#Step_4_-_Documentation),
   and given the recent visibility than Canada imports have gained, might help
   avoid a procedural reversion.

cheers from Portland, OR

 Stewart
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Re: [Talk-ca] Triplinx import

[Stewart Russell]

Import user is:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Triplinx%20Canada

Several 50K node imports today.

Stewart
On Feb 1, 2016 7:14 PM, "john whelan" <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I had a skype call with Mojgan where we discussed some of the issues and
> there was an email sent to talk-ca on Jan 12th 2016.
>
> To me a couple of issues first are that the Stats Canada data was designed
> for Stats Canada use, probably for the labour force survey and as such
> provided the interviewer can see the address from where it is marked on the
> map this is sufficent accuracy.  My concern would be about the accuracy of
> the data.
>
> Another issue is do we end up with duplicate addresses?  My concern would
> be do we end up with the same address in two different locations?
>
> I think a better solution would be to take a copy of the OSM database,
> strip out the existing address data and drop in the stats data and use the
> copy for their purposes.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 1 February 2016 at 18:36, Stewart Russell <scr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It seems that this import has started with no discussion. Here's the wiki
>> page:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Triplinx_Metrolinx_Import_Plan
>>
>> Stewart
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Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding

[Stewart Russell]

A trunk road is not necessarily divided. The limited access part means that
it's not residential. It has to go from a town or city to another town or
city. It predates or has lesser capacity than a motorway.

It's one of these maddening "know one when I see one" definitions that
makes perfect sense in the UK but is difficult elsewhere.

Much of the Trans-Canada, f'rinstance, would be considered a trunk road.

Cheers
Stewart
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Re: [Talk-ca] Advice on Addressing

[Stewart Russell]

I was pretty disappointed with the results I got from (mapquest's)
Nominatim when I tried to geocode Doors Open Toronto's data. I found about
a third of the results were clearly wrong, and haven't eyeballed the rest
on a map to see how far off they are. Toronto's got pretty good address
range entry, too.

Sure, I hadn't cleaned up the data in any way (so there was some random
noise about unit number formatting, and I don't think there was a single
instance of the One True Canadian Address format in the whole list) but the
results were disheartening.

So, no answer from me, but I'm interested in hearing how this goes.

Cheers
Stewart
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Re: [Talk-ca] New OpenStreetMap web editing option now available, call for funding

[Stewart Russell]

On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Fabian Rodriguez magic...@member.fsf.orgwrote:


 http://blog.openstreetmap.org/2013/05/07/openstreetmap-launches-all-new-easy-map-editor-and-announces-funding-appeal/


All I get is a blank white screen with iD on Firefox 20.0.1 (aka current
release). That might be a bit of a hurdle for new editors ...

 Stewart
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Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca is up!

[Stewart Russell]

Being returned to the last edited thing is the best! If I saw all of Canada
every time I went to the website I'd be pulling lots of tiles and queries
to get where I want to go.

Cheers
Stewart
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Re: [Talk-ca] USGS Orthos in Canada

[Stewart Russell]

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com wrote:
 That's indeed some nice imagery. In the area I looked at, the QC/NY
 border south of Montreal, it doesn't extend all that far into Canada
 but it's nice nonetheless.

It looks like some of the stuff in Canada is Public Domain:
http://cumulus.cr.usgs.gov/dispatches/PRODUCT_Orthos.html#Canada
- but it doesn't tell you the boundaries.

It's newer than the Bing imagery where I live; looks like late summer
2009 or summer 2010, by the fresh(ish) paint on my deck. You can even
make out someone in my back garden; might even be me ...

  If you look at the list linked from the
 wiki page ( http://cumulus.cr.usgs.gov/dispatches/PRODUCT_Orthos.html
 ) there don't seem to be any non-PD regions -- so I guess we can use
 it?

But that list is not exhaustive; not every US county is on it.
F'rinstance, in Missouri, Andrew, Buchanan, Bates, Benton, Pettis 
Cooper counties aren't listed - so that could mean that any imagery
there is not Public Domain.

cheers,
 Stewart

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Re: [Talk-ca] How did you start in OSM?

[Stewart Russell]

You know, I haven't a clue. I signed up in May 2007, but didn't
actually start mapping until July 2010.

 Stewart


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