[Talk-ca] CanVec (part of GeoBase) Import update

2009-02-20 Thread Sam Vekemans
Hi all,I posted a link to the screen shot on the wiki page
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canvec2osm
I haven't uploaded any of the data, because I haven't figured out how to get
the tags on there (especially the NID)
I used the shp-to-osm java program (from Ian Dees), and a basic DOS program
to name all the shape files. The shapefiles contain more details, as you can
see from the other image, viewing from the JUMP program. The wiki charts
show how each feature ID# would match up to OSM.

From the example, it would be awesome if JOSM could handle importing just
the selected item or selected groups of items, rather than uploading
everything that was shown.  Is that technically possible?

Thanks,
Sam Vekemans
Across Canada Trails
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Re: [Talk-ca] CanVec (part of GeoBase) Import update

2009-02-20 Thread Michel Gilbert
Hi Sam  all,

The idea is good to import building entities. I think we should concentrate
on polygon buildings where we'll get important buildings. To tag them you
should first prepare a map between osm tags and canvec building attribute.
Of cousre the most important attribute is building function. I imported few
buildings in Sherbrooke area (
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.37976lon=-71.92381zoom=15layers=B000FTF).
I tagged the buildings like this:


   - k=building, v=university or k=building, v=yes
   - k=amenity, v=university

I don't think Canvec has the amenity concept though.

Cheers,

Michel

2009/2/20 Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com

 Hi all,I posted a link to the screen shot on the wiki page
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canvec2osm
 I haven't uploaded any of the data, because I haven't figured out how to
 get the tags on there (especially the NID)
 I used the shp-to-osm java program (from Ian Dees), and a basic DOS program
 to name all the shape files. The shapefiles contain more details, as you can
 see from the other image, viewing from the JUMP program. The wiki charts
 show how each feature ID# would match up to OSM.

 From the example, it would be awesome if JOSM could handle importing just
 the selected item or selected groups of items, rather than uploading
 everything that was shown.  Is that technically possible?

 Thanks,
 Sam Vekemans
 Across Canada Trails




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Re: [Talk-ca] CanVec (part of GeoBase) Import update

2009-02-20 Thread Sam Vekemans
Thanks,
What was the method you used to import the buildings?

The method i discribe should NOT be used, as i dont use the many
different building ID's available (the wiki chart has the list of what
tags each ID Should get).
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CanVec:_Buildings_and_structures
2010009_2.shp includes everything from Train Station Buildings to
Educational Buildings  (48 or so different building ID's) ... the
_2 indicates polygon.
And yes, CanVec doesnt distinguish between different educational
buildings... lumps them all in to the same category.

Also my method does not imort NIDs.


Cheers,
Sam

On 2/20/09, Michel Gilbert michc...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Sam  all,

 The idea is good to import building entities. I think we should concentrate
 on polygon buildings where we'll get important buildings. To tag them you
 should first prepare a map between osm tags and canvec building attribute.
 Of cousre the most important attribute is building function. I imported few
 buildings in Sherbrooke area (
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.37976lon=-71.92381zoom=15layers=B000FTF).
 I tagged the buildings like this:


- k=building, v=university or k=building, v=yes
- k=amenity, v=university

 I don't think Canvec has the amenity concept though.

 Cheers,

 Michel

 2009/2/20 Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com

 Hi all,I posted a link to the screen shot on the wiki page
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canvec2osm
 I haven't uploaded any of the data, because I haven't figured out how to
 get the tags on there (especially the NID)
 I used the shp-to-osm java program (from Ian Dees), and a basic DOS
 program
 to name all the shape files. The shapefiles contain more details, as you
 can
 see from the other image, viewing from the JUMP program. The wiki charts
 show how each feature ID# would match up to OSM.

 From the example, it would be awesome if JOSM could handle importing just
 the selected item or selected groups of items, rather than uploading
 everything that was shown.  Is that technically possible?

 Thanks,
 Sam Vekemans
 Across Canada Trails




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Re: [Talk-ca] CanVec (part of GeoBase) Import update

2009-02-20 Thread Sam Vekemans
Right, that 'zoom to selection' (should) eliminate that crazy off-set
that happens during cut'n'paste.

Cheers,
Sam

On 2/20/09, si...@mungewell.org si...@mungewell.org wrote:

 From the example, it would be awesome if JOSM could handle importing just
 the selected item or selected groups of items, rather than uploading
 everything that was shown.  Is that technically possible?


 If you are handling smallish amounts of data you can cut'n'paste between
 JOSM layers, if you are handling massive data sets you are probably better
 off using osmosis to filter and upload stuff.

 For JOSM the trick is:
 1) Load local '.osm' to layer (1).
 2) Move to location and download OSM data for area, layer (2)
 3) In layer (1) select appropriate data, either with 'area select' or
 ctrl+click
 4) 'Zoom to selection'/extents of data (press '2' key).
 5) Copy data
 6) Switch to OSM layer (2)
 7) Paste local data and tidy up.
 8) repeat as nessecary
 9) Upload result.

 You need to 'zoom to selection' otherwise the location of the data is
 changed as it is cut'n'pasted between layers.

 Have fun,
 Simon.




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Re: [Talk-ca] CanVec (part of GeoBase) Import update

2009-02-20 Thread Michel Gilbert
2009/2/20 Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com

 Thanks,
 What was the method you used to import the buildings?


You that I am a FME fan. So I made a quick FME workbench to import the
building. I am going to make it more generic and I'll use the chart you
prepared (thanks). I'll add my name on the status table for Canvec Import
when I be ready to import buildings. I'll update the chart if it needs to be
adjusted.

Michel



 The method i discribe should NOT be used, as i dont use the many
 different building ID's available (the wiki chart has the list of what
 tags each ID Should get).
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CanVec:_Buildings_and_structures
 2010009_2.shp includes everything from Train Station Buildings to
 Educational Buildings  (48 or so different building ID's) ... the
 _2 indicates polygon.
 And yes, CanVec doesnt distinguish between different educational
 buildings... lumps them all in to the same category.

 Also my method does not imort NIDs.


 Cheers,
 Sam

 On 2/20/09, Michel Gilbert michc...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi Sam  all,
 
  The idea is good to import building entities. I think we should
 concentrate
  on polygon buildings where we'll get important buildings. To tag them you
  should first prepare a map between osm tags and canvec building
 attribute.
  Of cousre the most important attribute is building function. I imported
 few
  buildings in Sherbrooke area (
 
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.37976lon=-71.92381zoom=15layers=B000FTF
 ).
  I tagged the buildings like this:
 
 
 - k=building, v=university or k=building, v=yes
 - k=amenity, v=university
 
  I don't think Canvec has the amenity concept though.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Michel
 
  2009/2/20 Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com
 
  Hi all,I posted a link to the screen shot on the wiki page
  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canvec2osm
  I haven't uploaded any of the data, because I haven't figured out how to
  get the tags on there (especially the NID)
  I used the shp-to-osm java program (from Ian Dees), and a basic DOS
  program
  to name all the shape files. The shapefiles contain more details, as you
  can
  see from the other image, viewing from the JUMP program. The wiki charts
  show how each feature ID# would match up to OSM.
 
  From the example, it would be awesome if JOSM could handle importing
 just
  the selected item or selected groups of items, rather than uploading
  everything that was shown.  Is that technically possible?
 
  Thanks,
  Sam Vekemans
  Across Canada Trails
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Talk-ca] CanVec (part of GeoBase) Import update

2009-02-20 Thread Sam Vekemans
Thanks,http://www.safe.com/products/desktop/overview.php
I think thats the product your referring to? Looks like it possible to get
14 days per user key?

Anyway, it seems like your method is similar, just that you grab the area
before it gets converted to OSM format.

The only challenge we still have is that it doesn't retain the NID, nor can
it automatically create tags for each feature ID.

But as long as the source looks back to CanVec, the legal standpoint should
be fine.

Does anyone know how to create a java script that will attach OSM tags to
SHP files?  (so it can be added on to this shp-to-osm script? ...

Until then, this manual effort seems fine.   BUT I will wait till i hear
from the rest of the team (talk-ca) list before proceeding to go full steam
ahead.  :)

Thanks,
Sam

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Michel Gilbert michc...@gmail.com wrote:



 2009/2/20 Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com

 Thanks,
 What was the method you used to import the buildings?


 You that I am a FME fan. So I made a quick FME workbench to import the
 building. I am going to make it more generic and I'll use the chart you
 prepared (thanks). I'll add my name on the status table for Canvec Import
 when I be ready to import buildings. I'll update the chart if it needs to be
 adjusted.

 Michel



 The method i discribe should NOT be used, as i dont use the many
 different building ID's available (the wiki chart has the list of what
 tags each ID Should get).
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CanVec:_Buildings_and_structures
 2010009_2.shp includes everything from Train Station Buildings to
 Educational Buildings  (48 or so different building ID's) ... the
 _2 indicates polygon.
 And yes, CanVec doesnt distinguish between different educational
 buildings... lumps them all in to the same category.

 Also my method does not imort NIDs.


 Cheers,
 Sam

 On 2/20/09, Michel Gilbert michc...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi Sam  all,
 
  The idea is good to import building entities. I think we should
 concentrate
  on polygon buildings where we'll get important buildings. To tag them
 you
  should first prepare a map between osm tags and canvec building
 attribute.
  Of cousre the most important attribute is building function. I imported
 few
  buildings in Sherbrooke area (
 
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.37976lon=-71.92381zoom=15layers=B000FTF
 ).
  I tagged the buildings like this:
 
 
 - k=building, v=university or k=building, v=yes
 - k=amenity, v=university
 
  I don't think Canvec has the amenity concept though.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Michel
 
  2009/2/20 Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com
 
  Hi all,I posted a link to the screen shot on the wiki page
  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canvec2osm
  I haven't uploaded any of the data, because I haven't figured out how
 to
  get the tags on there (especially the NID)
  I used the shp-to-osm java program (from Ian Dees), and a basic DOS
  program
  to name all the shape files. The shapefiles contain more details, as
 you
  can
  see from the other image, viewing from the JUMP program. The wiki
 charts
  show how each feature ID# would match up to OSM.
 
  From the example, it would be awesome if JOSM could handle importing
 just
  the selected item or selected groups of items, rather than uploading
  everything that was shown.  Is that technically possible?
 
  Thanks,
  Sam Vekemans
  Across Canada Trails
 
 
 
 
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