Re: [Talk-ca] License upgrade readiness - contact and remapping
Richard, I am planning to contact some non-agreeing OSM users in my area. How easy is it for a non-agreeing OSM user to change to the new CT/ODbL? Will they be prompted to agree when they login to OSM? Or is there another link(s) that I should give them? Thanks, Bernie. -- Bernie Connors, P.Eng Service New Brunswick (506) 444-2077 45°56'25.21N, 66°38'53.65W www.snb.ca/geonb/ -Original Message- From: Richard Weait [mailto:rich...@weait.com] Sent: Wednesday, 2012-01-11 16:44 To: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: [Talk-ca] License upgrade readiness - contact and remapping Dear Canadian OpenStreetMap contributors, The upcoming move to the Open Database License means that a small number of users have chosen for their contributions not to continue within OSM. Since we want OSM to remain the best map in the world, we can remap the affected areas now, so that little difference is noticeable on changeover day. The License Working Group would now like to formally urge Canadian mappers to look at your local mapping areas, contact anyone who still might agree and then remap. This is a pilot project to engage global mappers on a country-by-country basis. Critical mass for the change-over has certainly been achieved. On a global basis, over 96.8% of nodes and 96.3% of highways [1] are by folks who have accepted the new terms. However, we still have globally 36 million nodes that may not survive the license change and 4.2 million problematic ways where some or all value will be lost [2]. This is still a large number, particularly if they are in your local mapping area, and we would like to reduce it. In Canada, the situation is slightly better than the global average, with 98.3% of nodes and 96.7% of highways coming from folks who have accepted the new terms. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Remapping is a specific up-to-date resource on remapping and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Help_preparing_for_the_license_change give broader background information. Frederik Ramm's excellent License Change View on OSM Inspector [4] helps pin point problematic areas and users who have not yet agreed to the license upgrade and new contributor terms. There are license-status tools for both JOSM and Potlatch2, to aid you in mapping. I have found the following approach helpful in cleaning Cambridge and starting to clean Toronto. Contact mappers with problematic edits in my area and ask them to consider agreeing to CT/ODbL. Remap the objects effected by accounts that do not then agree. I'm not contacting every mapper with problematic edits. A very small number of OSM accounts have already declined CT/ODbL for their own reasons. Many more contributors have not replied either because they have lost interest or contact with the OSM community. Of those, I've found that many have responded positively by agreeing with CT/ODbL. Some have even started mapping again after a long hiatus. I see no pattern in who agrees; some are accounts with only a few edits and others with many edits over months or years. I've also been remapping objects effected by declined or non-responsive accounts. Often, this remapping can be done to high quality from a combination of aerial imagery and canvec data. I've gone out to resurvey some areas as well. I've been able to clean Cambridge of non-compatible edits in the course of just a few editing sessions with only small changes in my mapping techniques. 1) I look at the license status of the area in the course of my normal mapping. While mapping, I make sure to clean problematic objects rather than just editing them. Every mapper should be aware of the license status of objects while mapping. If you ignore this, you might be making improvements that will be discarded in the license change. 2) By contacting a few non-responsive mappers, many objects have cleaned themselves when those mappers agree. This is a really good thing, especially when they become active mappers again! 3) Sometimes, I take a few extra minutes to clean some other surrounding objects. 4) Sometimes, I plan and resurvey an area to clean it. Please join me and many of the other mappers who are taking an interest in making the license upgrade as smooth as possible. As with any mapping, looking at the map from a new perspective is interesting and fun. And every improvement that we make now, before the cutover date will be made with the care and attention that local mappers bring to every edit. Below, I have included links to several Canadian cities in OSMI. Sorry that the links are so long. :-) Best regards. Richard [1] http://odbl.poole.ch/ [2] Nodes Created http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/munin.html [3] http://odbl.poole.ch/canada-20111208-20120111-poly.html [4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Remapping/License_Change_View_on_OSM_Inspector Toronto http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfelon=-79.36390lat=43.74990zoom=10overlays=overview,wtfe_point_clean,wtfe_line_clean
Re: [Talk-ca] License upgrade readiness - contact and remapping
Hi Bernie, here's what I've used as a template. Worked with one mapper, didn't work (i.e. no response) with five others. Best, Harald. -%-- Dear xxx, I'm a mapper from Montreal and while checking my area for potential problems with the upcoming license change, I've noticed that you have made a lot of edits here in Quebec, but haven't agreed to the new license. Of course, there are good reasons to not agree, but in case you just have forgotten or not have had the time yet to agree I wanted to send you a reminder and prevent the loss of all your data. More information on the license change can be found here http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License Cheers, Harald. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] License upgrade readiness - contact and remapping
Harald, Thanks for the suggestion. But what can we do if a user is no longer using OSM? If they are not using OSM they will not see the message that we send to their OSM Inbox. I presume there is nothing we can do unless we have the time to do a little detective work and try to find an alternate email address for the mapper. Bernie. -- Bernie Connors, P.Eng Service New Brunswick (506) 444-2077 45°56'25.21N, 66°38'53.65W www.snb.ca/geonb/ -Original Message- From: Harald Kliems [mailto:harald.kli...@mail.mcgill.ca] Sent: Thursday, 2012-01-12 11:36 To: Connors, Bernie (SNB); 'Richard Weait'; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: RE: [Talk-ca] License upgrade readiness - contact and remapping Hi Bernie, here's what I've used as a template. Worked with one mapper, didn't work (i.e. no response) with five others. Best, Harald. -%-- Dear xxx, I'm a mapper from Montreal and while checking my area for potential problems with the upcoming license change, I've noticed that you have made a lot of edits here in Quebec, but haven't agreed to the new license. Of course, there are good reasons to not agree, but in case you just have forgotten or not have had the time yet to agree I wanted to send you a reminder and prevent the loss of all your data. More information on the license change can be found here http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License Cheers, Harald. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] License upgrade readiness - contact and remapping
It gets forwarded to their normal email address. Cheerio John On 12 January 2012 10:54, Connors, Bernie (SNB) bernie.conn...@snb.cawrote: Harald, Thanks for the suggestion. But what can we do if a user is no longer using OSM? If they are not using OSM they will not see the message that we send to their OSM Inbox. I presume there is nothing we can do unless we have the time to do a little detective work and try to find an alternate email address for the mapper. Bernie. -- Bernie Connors, P.Eng Service New Brunswick (506) 444-2077 45°56'25.21N, 66°38'53.65W www.snb.ca/geonb/ -Original Message- From: Harald Kliems [mailto:harald.kli...@mail.mcgill.ca] Sent: Thursday, 2012-01-12 11:36 To: Connors, Bernie (SNB); 'Richard Weait'; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: RE: [Talk-ca] License upgrade readiness - contact and remapping Hi Bernie, here's what I've used as a template. Worked with one mapper, didn't work (i.e. no response) with five others. Best, Harald. -%-- Dear xxx, I'm a mapper from Montreal and while checking my area for potential problems with the upcoming license change, I've noticed that you have made a lot of edits here in Quebec, but haven't agreed to the new license. Of course, there are good reasons to not agree, but in case you just have forgotten or not have had the time yet to agree I wanted to send you a reminder and prevent the loss of all your data. More information on the license change can be found here http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License Cheers, Harald. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] License upgrade readiness - contact and remapping
Hi All, There is a huge section in my area that have no user associated to it. Is there a way to retrieve the original user and contact them? It seems to be an import from an official data source, but there is no information on what it is. Yannick On 2012-01-11 15:44, Richard Weait wrote: Dear Canadian OpenStreetMap contributors, The upcoming move to the Open Database License means that a small number of users have chosen for their contributions not to continue within OSM. Since we want OSM to remain the best map in the world, we can remap the affected areas now, so that little difference is noticeable on changeover day. The License Working Group would now like to formally urge Canadian mappers to look at your local mapping areas, contact anyone who still might agree and then remap. This is a pilot project to engage global mappers on a country-by-country basis. Critical mass for the change-over has certainly been achieved. On a global basis, over 96.8% of nodes and 96.3% of highways [1] are by folks who have accepted the new terms. However, we still have globally 36 million nodes that may not survive the license change and 4.2 million problematic ways where some or all value will be lost [2]. This is still a large number, particularly if they are in your local mapping area, and we would like to reduce it. In Canada, the situation is slightly better than the global average, with 98.3% of nodes and 96.7% of highways coming from folks who have accepted the new terms. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Remapping is a specific up-to-date resource on remapping and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Help_preparing_for_the_license_change give broader background information. Frederik Ramm's excellent License Change View on OSM Inspector [4] helps pin point problematic areas and users who have not yet agreed to the license upgrade and new contributor terms. There are license-status tools for both JOSM and Potlatch2, to aid you in mapping. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] License upgrade readiness - contact and remapping
I've used several different templates. The current one takes a little research. I like to add the specific location they mapped, and when and a specific object. I hope that this reminds a mapper of their previous contribution and demonstrates something that interested them enough to put it into OSM. I leave out the local meeting information for those who are not mapping locally. It looks like this: Subject: Your [town name] OpenStreetMap contributions Dear [username], I see that you added [specific interesting item from changeset] to OpenStreetMap in [Month and Year]. It would be great to get you mapping again. I encourage you to have another look at OpenStreetMap and improve the data in places that you care about. You'll need to login and agree to the upgraded license and contributor terms. http://openstreetmap.org/user/terms This is important even if you don't plan to do any more mapping. We need your permission to keep your earlier contributions and even if they are few or modest, other mappers may have built upon them. Feel free to send any questions you might have. I'll do my best to answer them. We have a vibrant OpenStreetMap community in Southern Ontario, including groups that meet monthly in Toronto and Waterloo Region. It would be super to have you join us for refreshments and conversation some time! We keep our schedules online here, http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Toronto/ http://www.meetup.com/Waterloo-OSM/ Best regards and Happy Mapping, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] License upgrade readiness - contact and remapping
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Yannick Brosseau yannick.bross...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, There is a huge section in my area that have no user associated to it. Anonymous edits and anonymous accounts were permitted in OSM in the early days. Some of those objects still exist in the database. History tools will show those objects as user 0. JOSM shows them as new object iirc. The good news is that anonymous accounts are overwhelmingly agreeing to CT/ODbL, as are every other measurable group of OSM users. To preserve the anonymity of those accounts, the license status of those objects is published as a list of okay-changesets. This list is updated periodically, so anonymous objects take longer to appear as clean in the quick history service. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] License upgrade readiness - contact and remapping
Richard Weait wrote on 2012-01-12 11:30:40 I've used several different templates. The current one takes a little research. I like to add the specific location they mapped, and when and a specific object. I hope that this reminds a mapper of their previous contribution and demonstrates something that interested them enough to put it into OSM. I agree with Richard that it is important to insist in the contribution of the person locally. Here is the text I used in french. I had success with a few persons who neglected to change the license. Pierre Béland -- Bonjour XXX Je demeure à xxx et collabore au projet OpenstreetMap. J'ai constaté que tu as contribué à OSM en ajoutant une quantité importante de données notamment dans la région de . Tu n'as cependant pas contribué depuis . Tu sais peut-être déjà qu'OpenStreetMap invite ses contributeurs à basculer leurs données vers une licence plus appropriée pour celles-ci (OSM souhaite passer de la licence actuelle Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike (CC-BY-SA) 2.0 à la licence Open Database License (ODbL) 1.0). Si un collaborateur n'accepte pas la nouvelle licence, ses contributions seront conservées dans un fichier archive mais ne seront malheureusement plus affichées sur la carte OpenstreetMap. Après tous ces efforts, ce serait vraiment une perte tant pour toi que pour les gens qui consultent les cartes. Si tu as des raisons de ne pas avoir encore accepté, je t'invite à communiquer pour en discuter. Pour plus d'informations sur les raisons de ce changement: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:ODbL/We_Are_Changing_The_License Pour permettre à tous de continuer à profiter du travail que tu as effectué, je t'invite à accepter la nouvelle licence ODBL. Pour accepter le changement de licence, tu n'as qu'à te connecter à OpenstreetMap avec le lien suivant : http://openstreetmap.org/user/terms Merci d'avance pour ta réponse. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] License upgrade readiness - contact and remapping
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 11:37 AM, James Ewen ve6...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: 1) I look at the license status of the area in the course of my normal mapping. While mapping, I make sure to clean problematic objects rather than just editing them. Every mapper should be aware of the license status of objects while mapping. If you ignore this, you might be making improvements that will be discarded in the license change. Is there a link showing how to accomplish this? I understand the difference between compliant and non-compliance, but how do you modify the existing node/way enough to make it compliant? Do I need to delete the non-compliant and completely replace it? Some great tools are listed here. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Remapping Some principles are listed here. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/What_is_clean%3F In short. If it was created by a non-agreeing account; remove it and remap from a compatible source. If it was modified by a non-agreeing account; remove the aspect they modified. There are edge-cases of course. This is OSM. :-) Let's discuss this in more detail but break it off to another thread? ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] License upgrade readiness - contact and remapping
Dear Canadian OpenStreetMap contributors, The upcoming move to the Open Database License means that a small number of users have chosen for their contributions not to continue within OSM. Since we want OSM to remain the best map in the world, we can remap the affected areas now, so that little difference is noticeable on changeover day. The License Working Group would now like to formally urge Canadian mappers to look at your local mapping areas, contact anyone who still might agree and then remap. This is a pilot project to engage global mappers on a country-by-country basis. Critical mass for the change-over has certainly been achieved. On a global basis, over 96.8% of nodes and 96.3% of highways [1] are by folks who have accepted the new terms. However, we still have globally 36 million nodes that may not survive the license change and 4.2 million problematic ways where some or all value will be lost [2]. This is still a large number, particularly if they are in your local mapping area, and we would like to reduce it. In Canada, the situation is slightly better than the global average, with 98.3% of nodes and 96.7% of highways coming from folks who have accepted the new terms. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Remapping is a specific up-to-date resource on remapping and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Help_preparing_for_the_license_change give broader background information. Frederik Ramm's excellent License Change View on OSM Inspector [4] helps pin point problematic areas and users who have not yet agreed to the license upgrade and new contributor terms. There are license-status tools for both JOSM and Potlatch2, to aid you in mapping. I have found the following approach helpful in cleaning Cambridge and starting to clean Toronto. Contact mappers with problematic edits in my area and ask them to consider agreeing to CT/ODbL. Remap the objects effected by accounts that do not then agree. I'm not contacting every mapper with problematic edits. A very small number of OSM accounts have already declined CT/ODbL for their own reasons. Many more contributors have not replied either because they have lost interest or contact with the OSM community. Of those, I've found that many have responded positively by agreeing with CT/ODbL. Some have even started mapping again after a long hiatus. I see no pattern in who agrees; some are accounts with only a few edits and others with many edits over months or years. I've also been remapping objects effected by declined or non-responsive accounts. Often, this remapping can be done to high quality from a combination of aerial imagery and canvec data. I've gone out to resurvey some areas as well. I've been able to clean Cambridge of non-compatible edits in the course of just a few editing sessions with only small changes in my mapping techniques. 1) I look at the license status of the area in the course of my normal mapping. While mapping, I make sure to clean problematic objects rather than just editing them. Every mapper should be aware of the license status of objects while mapping. If you ignore this, you might be making improvements that will be discarded in the license change. 2) By contacting a few non-responsive mappers, many objects have cleaned themselves when those mappers agree. This is a really good thing, especially when they become active mappers again! 3) Sometimes, I take a few extra minutes to clean some other surrounding objects. 4) Sometimes, I plan and resurvey an area to clean it. Please join me and many of the other mappers who are taking an interest in making the license upgrade as smooth as possible. As with any mapping, looking at the map from a new perspective is interesting and fun. And every improvement that we make now, before the cutover date will be made with the care and attention that local mappers bring to every edit. Below, I have included links to several Canadian cities in OSMI. Sorry that the links are so long. :-) Best regards. Richard [1] http://odbl.poole.ch/ [2] Nodes Created http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/munin.html [3] http://odbl.poole.ch/canada-20111208-20120111-poly.html [4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Remapping/License_Change_View_on_OSM_Inspector Toronto http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfelon=-79.36390lat=43.74990zoom=10overlays=overview,wtfe_point_clean,wtfe_line_clean,wtfe_point_harmless,wtfe_line_harmless,wtfe_point_modified,wtfe_line_modified_cp,wtfe_line_modified,wtfe_point_created,wtfe_line_created_cp,wtfe_line_created Montreal http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfelon=-73.64826lat=45.63385zoom=10overlays=overview,wtfe_point_clean,wtfe_line_clean,wtfe_point_harmless,wtfe_line_harmless,wtfe_point_modified,wtfe_line_modified_cp,wtfe_line_modified,wtfe_point_created,wtfe_line_created_cp,wtfe_line_created Ottawa
