Re: [Talk-ca] New project update
I don't think this is going to go very far. The tile size is huge and that means its too big to download the existing mapping from OSM even when the tile is split twice. For a test perhaps set up another project over Ottawa with a tile size of no more than a kilometer which when split should just about work downtown. Cheerio John On 27 April 2016 at 12:38, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) < bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> wrote: > This task was created for testing I believe. > > > > *From:* Bruno Remy [mailto:bremy.qc...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* April-24-16 7:20 AM > *To:* john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> > *Cc:* Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) <bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca>; Talk-CA > OpenStreetMap <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> > > *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] New project update > > > > > > > For your information, a specific task hab been created for this purpose: > > (Thanks to #hughwei ) > > #14 - StatCan Non-residential Buildings : > http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/14 > > Feel free to involve into this project and happy mapping! > > Cheers. > > Bruno > > > > > > > > 2016-04-22 14:28 GMT-04:00 john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>: > > Since you're looking to combine data from different sources I assume you > know about the TB standards for addresses? I think they're mentioned > here: http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/pol/doc-eng.aspx?id=16553 > > I'm not sure how those standards would map to OSM and if all the elements > are there. > > Apols to the ca-talk this is probably more open data than anything else. > > > > Cheerio John > > > > On 22 April 2016 at 10:52, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) < > bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> wrote: > > Kevin, > > > > We would probably break it down in smaller chunks. We were thinking of a > possible pilot with specific areas. > > A tasking manager would be very helpful in we do it this way. > > > > Bjenk > > > > *From:* Kevin Farrugia [mailto:kevinfarru...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* April-21-16 12:00 PM > *To:* Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) <bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> > *Cc:* Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> > *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] New project update > > > > Hi Bjenk, > > What type of information are you looking to add about buildings? Some data > belongs in OSM while other attributes might be extraneous. Other people on > this list will also add their opinion on this issue I'm sure. If it's > something being done en masse, it's always best to take an abundance of > caution to not upset people at the errors that might crop up. > > If you'd like to break work down into smaller chunks, there are tasking > managers available (including a Canada specific one) that help out with > manual tasks. > > -Kevin > > On Apr 21, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN)" < > bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > Basically, what we would like to do is define a project for OSM to collect > information about non-residential buildings. > > We would like to popose a list of what would be collected. We were > thinking of identifying specific areas to start with. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bjenk Ellefsen, PhD > > > > Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur les > entreprises > > Statistics Canada | Statistiques Canada > > > > > > > > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > > > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > > > > -- > > Bruno Remy > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] New project update
This task was created for testing I believe. From: Bruno Remy [mailto:bremy.qc...@gmail.com] Sent: April-24-16 7:20 AM To: john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> Cc: Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) <bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca>; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] New project update For your information, a specific task hab been created for this purpose: (Thanks to #hughwei ) #14 - StatCan Non-residential Buildings : http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/14 Feel free to involve into this project and happy mapping! Cheers. Bruno 2016-04-22 14:28 GMT-04:00 john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com<mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>>: Since you're looking to combine data from different sources I assume you know about the TB standards for addresses? I think they're mentioned here: http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/pol/doc-eng.aspx?id=16553 I'm not sure how those standards would map to OSM and if all the elements are there. Apols to the ca-talk this is probably more open data than anything else. Cheerio John On 22 April 2016 at 10:52, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) <bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca<mailto:bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca>> wrote: Kevin, We would probably break it down in smaller chunks. We were thinking of a possible pilot with specific areas. A tasking manager would be very helpful in we do it this way. Bjenk From: Kevin Farrugia [mailto:kevinfarru...@gmail.com<mailto:kevinfarru...@gmail.com>] Sent: April-21-16 12:00 PM To: Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) <bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca<mailto:bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca>> Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org>> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] New project update Hi Bjenk, What type of information are you looking to add about buildings? Some data belongs in OSM while other attributes might be extraneous. Other people on this list will also add their opinion on this issue I'm sure. If it's something being done en masse, it's always best to take an abundance of caution to not upset people at the errors that might crop up. If you'd like to break work down into smaller chunks, there are tasking managers available (including a Canada specific one) that help out with manual tasks. -Kevin On Apr 21, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN)" <bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca<mailto:bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca>> wrote: Hello everyone, Basically, what we would like to do is define a project for OSM to collect information about non-residential buildings. We would like to popose a list of what would be collected. We were thinking of identifying specific areas to start with. Cheers, Bjenk Ellefsen, PhD Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur les entreprises Statistics Canada | Statistiques Canada ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org<mailto:Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org<mailto:Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org<mailto:Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Bruno Remy ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] New project update
For your information, a specific task hab been created for this purpose: (Thanks to #hughwei ) #14 - StatCan Non-residential Buildings : http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/14 Feel free to involve into this project and happy mapping! Cheers. Bruno 2016-04-22 14:28 GMT-04:00 john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>: > Since you're looking to combine data from different sources I assume you > know about the TB standards for addresses? I think they're mentioned > here: http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/pol/doc-eng.aspx?id=16553 > > I'm not sure how those standards would map to OSM and if all the elements > are there. > > Apols to the ca-talk this is probably more open data than anything else. > > Cheerio John > > On 22 April 2016 at 10:52, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) < > bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> wrote: > >> Kevin, >> >> >> >> We would probably break it down in smaller chunks. We were thinking of a >> possible pilot with specific areas. >> >> A tasking manager would be very helpful in we do it this way. >> >> >> >> Bjenk >> >> >> >> *From:* Kevin Farrugia [mailto:kevinfarru...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* April-21-16 12:00 PM >> *To:* Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) <bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> >> *Cc:* Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> >> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] New project update >> >> >> >> Hi Bjenk, >> >> What type of information are you looking to add about buildings? Some >> data belongs in OSM while other attributes might be extraneous. Other >> people on this list will also add their opinion on this issue I'm sure. If >> it's something being done en masse, it's always best to take an abundance >> of caution to not upset people at the errors that might crop up. >> >> If you'd like to break work down into smaller chunks, there are tasking >> managers available (including a Canada specific one) that help out with >> manual tasks. >> >> -Kevin >> >> On Apr 21, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN)" < >> bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> >> >> Basically, what we would like to do is define a project for OSM to >> collect information about non-residential buildings. >> >> We would like to popose a list of what would be collected. We were >> thinking of identifying specific areas to start with. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Bjenk Ellefsen, PhD >> >> >> >> Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur >> les entreprises >> >> Statistics Canada | Statistiques Canada >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> >> > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > -- Bruno Remy ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] New project update
Since you're looking to combine data from different sources I assume you know about the TB standards for addresses? I think they're mentioned here: http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/pol/doc-eng.aspx?id=16553 I'm not sure how those standards would map to OSM and if all the elements are there. Apols to the ca-talk this is probably more open data than anything else. Cheerio John On 22 April 2016 at 10:52, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) < bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> wrote: > Kevin, > > > > We would probably break it down in smaller chunks. We were thinking of a > possible pilot with specific areas. > > A tasking manager would be very helpful in we do it this way. > > > > Bjenk > > > > *From:* Kevin Farrugia [mailto:kevinfarru...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* April-21-16 12:00 PM > *To:* Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) <bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> > *Cc:* Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> > *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] New project update > > > > Hi Bjenk, > > What type of information are you looking to add about buildings? Some data > belongs in OSM while other attributes might be extraneous. Other people on > this list will also add their opinion on this issue I'm sure. If it's > something being done en masse, it's always best to take an abundance of > caution to not upset people at the errors that might crop up. > > If you'd like to break work down into smaller chunks, there are tasking > managers available (including a Canada specific one) that help out with > manual tasks. > > -Kevin > > On Apr 21, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN)" < > bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > Basically, what we would like to do is define a project for OSM to collect > information about non-residential buildings. > > We would like to popose a list of what would be collected. We were > thinking of identifying specific areas to start with. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bjenk Ellefsen, PhD > > > > Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur les > entreprises > > Statistics Canada | Statistiques Canada > > > > > > > > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] New project update
1) this would be inherent in the map since we'd be mapping it 2) again, this would be inherent in the map, although I wouldn't put a measurement value in the attributes as this can be calculated outside of OSM 3) would probably be a hard to get for many buildings, but there are tags around for this. I know the Long Form/NHS captures housing age, but this is only done for residential buildings, correct? 4) this can be tagged, such as building=industrial or building=commercial 5) this is a simple tag - building:levels. There is also a height tag, where the height is logged in metres. 6) hard-ish depending on the location and on the ground surveyors. In cities that have open data compatible with OSM that post address points it can be armchair mapped. For other places you'd need to go out and get those addresses. Postal codes are in OSM but we can't bulk load them from anywhere because Canada Post guards their copyright very aggressively. If StatsCan has surveyors out for various surveys, they could easily collect address information and send it back for input. On Apr 22, 2016 11:03 AM, "John Whelan"wrote: > > > Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) wrote: > >> 1. precise location (coordinates, polygon) >> 2. footprint, size >> 3. year of construction >> 4. activities (use) >> 5. number of floors above ground >> 6. address (number, street, postal code) >> > > I think the first step might be to identify which tags are either in map > features or tag info that align with the data you'd like to collect. > > Then scan a sample of the data base to see how many are there. There > maybe other tags that have the information. That needs to be untangled. > > Remember you're after standard ways of doing things and that traditionally > OSM has not been heavily standarised. Which has been one of its strengths. > > Most mapping in OSM is done for a purpose, adding cycle paths etc. > > Maintaining store names in malls is problematic for us currently. The > turnover is too high. > > The year of construction is difficult to determine from a visual > inspection which is how OSM tends to operate. The days of the year of > construction of the building being set in stone over the front door seem to > have vanished. > > Post Code is especially difficult, the Post Office clings to the data. > > Street names can be interesting, in Ottawa about twenty plus change their > name each year by the city or are found to have the wrong name on them. So > no one has a open definitive set. City of Ottawa data isn't open enough > for us. > > You may need to resort to Tiles which means something along the lines of > HOT and finding volunteers to do this. They will need very clear > instructions. > > Building footprint when done with the building tool in JOSM is usually > fairly good but we have found new mappers using iD can be problematical in > HOT mapping. > > Cheerio John > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] New project update
Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) wrote: 1. precise location (coordinates, polygon) 2. footprint, size 3. year of construction 4. activities (use) 5. number of floors above ground 6. address (number, street, postal code) I think the first step might be to identify which tags are either in map features or tag info that align with the data you'd like to collect. Then scan a sample of the data base to see how many are there. There maybe other tags that have the information. That needs to be untangled. Remember you're after standard ways of doing things and that traditionally OSM has not been heavily standarised. Which has been one of its strengths. Most mapping in OSM is done for a purpose, adding cycle paths etc. Maintaining store names in malls is problematic for us currently. The turnover is too high. The year of construction is difficult to determine from a visual inspection which is how OSM tends to operate. The days of the year of construction of the building being set in stone over the front door seem to have vanished. Post Code is especially difficult, the Post Office clings to the data. Street names can be interesting, in Ottawa about twenty plus change their name each year by the city or are found to have the wrong name on them. So no one has a open definitive set. City of Ottawa data isn't open enough for us. You may need to resort to Tiles which means something along the lines of HOT and finding volunteers to do this. They will need very clear instructions. Building footprint when done with the building tool in JOSM is usually fairly good but we have found new mappers using iD can be problematical in HOT mapping. Cheerio John ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] New project update
Kevin, We would probably break it down in smaller chunks. We were thinking of a possible pilot with specific areas. A tasking manager would be very helpful in we do it this way. Bjenk From: Kevin Farrugia [mailto:kevinfarru...@gmail.com] Sent: April-21-16 12:00 PM To: Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) <bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] New project update Hi Bjenk, What type of information are you looking to add about buildings? Some data belongs in OSM while other attributes might be extraneous. Other people on this list will also add their opinion on this issue I'm sure. If it's something being done en masse, it's always best to take an abundance of caution to not upset people at the errors that might crop up. If you'd like to break work down into smaller chunks, there are tasking managers available (including a Canada specific one) that help out with manual tasks. -Kevin On Apr 21, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN)" <bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca<mailto:bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca>> wrote: Hello everyone, Basically, what we would like to do is define a project for OSM to collect information about non-residential buildings. We would like to popose a list of what would be collected. We were thinking of identifying specific areas to start with. Cheers, Bjenk Ellefsen, PhD Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur les entreprises Statistics Canada | Statistiques Canada ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org<mailto:Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] New project update
Adam, thank you! You are right, I should have provided more details. To start with, the data gap in non-residential buildings is that there is no comprehensive list even for basic things like counts. The first goal would be to address that along with basic information about these buildings. The buildings to identify are all the commercial, industrial, government and institutional ones in Canada. As much as possible the basic information would be: 1. precise location (coordinates, polygon) 2. footprint, size 3. year of construction 4. activities (use) 5. number of floors above ground 6. address (number, street, postal code) The main objective is to eventually have a national inventory of all these buildings. Bjenk -Original Message- From: talk-ca-requ...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-ca-requ...@openstreetmap.org] Sent: April-22-16 8:00 AM To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Talk-ca Digest, Vol 98, Issue 13 Send Talk-ca mailing list submissions to talk-ca@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-ca-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-ca-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Talk-ca digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: New project update (Adam Martin) 2. Re: New project update (Martijn van Exel) 3. Re: New project update (Martijn van Exel) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 14:19:06 -0230 From: Adam Martin <s.adam.mar...@gmail.com> To: "talk-ca@openstreetmap.org" <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] New project update Message-ID: <CADqb88un8+=ngw3ea09swa0ji5ajhh+cmsio4rdp-4j9p4c...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Bjenk, I think what Paul meant was more along the lines of what specifically you wanted to do. You state that you want to define a project, but other than stating that you want to collect certain information about non-residential buildings, we have little else to go on. >From the sound of it, you want to use OSM to collect and map specific information about these non-residential buildings. Are we talking about the number of windows in the building or employees? The number of floors or the specific businesses / activities carried out in them? Just give us something more to go on and we can discuss it from there :) Adam On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) < bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> wrote: > Paul, > > All this is open for discussion at this point. We are looking at all the > options. > By defining a project its more like stating what information we wish to > focus on. > We hope to work with the OSM community and we are looking at different > ways of doing that. > We also have different data sources that we will be evaluating to > potentially link to these buildings. > > Thanks for your feedback! > > Bjenk > > -Original Message- > From: Paul Ramsey [mailto:pram...@cleverelephant.ca] > Sent: April-21-16 12:26 PM > To: Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) <bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> > Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] New project update > > Hey Bjenk, > When you say "define a project" are you talking about > > (a) describing a scope of work that StatsCan intends to resource and > complete? > (b) describing a scope of work that StatsCan hopes the OSM community > will complete on your behalf? > > You've used the passive voice in describing the actual collection in > your description below, so it's not completely clear who you think > will be collecting the information. > > ATB, > > P > > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) > <bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > Basically, what we would like to do is define a project for OSM to > collect > > information about non-residential buildings. > > We would like to popose a list of what would be collected. We were > thinking > > of identifying specific areas to start with. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bjenk Ellefsen, PhD > > > > Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur > les > > entreprises > > Statistics Canada | Statistiques Canada > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Talk-ca mailing list > > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > >
Re: [Talk-ca] New project update
Bjenk — Perhaps a micro-tasking tool such as MapRoulette (which I created) would be useful to help guide your thinking. I am actively looking for MapRoulette pilot projects involving government collaboration. MapRoulette has proven to be a very effective tool for solving specific problems or adding specific data types to OSM. Let me know if you would like to know more. Martijn > On Apr 21, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) > <bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> wrote: > > Paul, > > All this is open for discussion at this point. We are looking at all the > options. > By defining a project its more like stating what information we wish to focus > on. > We hope to work with the OSM community and we are looking at different ways > of doing that. > We also have different data sources that we will be evaluating to potentially > link to these buildings. > > Thanks for your feedback! > > Bjenk > > -Original Message- > From: Paul Ramsey [mailto:pram...@cleverelephant.ca] > Sent: April-21-16 12:26 PM > To: Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) <bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> > Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] New project update > > Hey Bjenk, > When you say "define a project" are you talking about > > (a) describing a scope of work that StatsCan intends to resource and complete? > (b) describing a scope of work that StatsCan hopes the OSM community > will complete on your behalf? > > You've used the passive voice in describing the actual collection in > your description below, so it's not completely clear who you think > will be collecting the information. > > ATB, > > P > > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) > <bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> Basically, what we would like to do is define a project for OSM to collect >> information about non-residential buildings. >> We would like to popose a list of what would be collected. We were thinking >> of identifying specific areas to start with. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Bjenk Ellefsen, PhD >> >> Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur les >> entreprises >> Statistics Canada | Statistiques Canada >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] New project update
Bjenk — Perhaps a micro-tasking tool such as MapRoulette (which I created) would be useful to help guide your thinking. I am actively looking for MapRoulette pilot projects involving government collaboration. MapRoulette has proven to be a very effective tool for solving specific problems or adding specific data types to OSM. Let me know if you would like to know more. Martijn > On Apr 21, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) > <bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> wrote: > > Paul, > > All this is open for discussion at this point. We are looking at all the > options. > By defining a project its more like stating what information we wish to focus > on. > We hope to work with the OSM community and we are looking at different ways > of doing that. > We also have different data sources that we will be evaluating to potentially > link to these buildings. > > Thanks for your feedback! > > Bjenk > > -Original Message- > From: Paul Ramsey [mailto:pram...@cleverelephant.ca] > Sent: April-21-16 12:26 PM > To: Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) <bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> > Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] New project update > > Hey Bjenk, > When you say "define a project" are you talking about > > (a) describing a scope of work that StatsCan intends to resource and complete? > (b) describing a scope of work that StatsCan hopes the OSM community > will complete on your behalf? > > You've used the passive voice in describing the actual collection in > your description below, so it's not completely clear who you think > will be collecting the information. > > ATB, > > P > > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) > <bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> Basically, what we would like to do is define a project for OSM to collect >> information about non-residential buildings. >> We would like to popose a list of what would be collected. We were thinking >> of identifying specific areas to start with. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Bjenk Ellefsen, PhD >> >> Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur les >> entreprises >> Statistics Canada | Statistiques Canada >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] New project update
Hi Bjenk, I think what Paul meant was more along the lines of what specifically you wanted to do. You state that you want to define a project, but other than stating that you want to collect certain information about non-residential buildings, we have little else to go on. >From the sound of it, you want to use OSM to collect and map specific information about these non-residential buildings. Are we talking about the number of windows in the building or employees? The number of floors or the specific businesses / activities carried out in them? Just give us something more to go on and we can discuss it from there :) Adam On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) < bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> wrote: > Paul, > > All this is open for discussion at this point. We are looking at all the > options. > By defining a project its more like stating what information we wish to > focus on. > We hope to work with the OSM community and we are looking at different > ways of doing that. > We also have different data sources that we will be evaluating to > potentially link to these buildings. > > Thanks for your feedback! > > Bjenk > > -Original Message- > From: Paul Ramsey [mailto:pram...@cleverelephant.ca] > Sent: April-21-16 12:26 PM > To: Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) <bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> > Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] New project update > > Hey Bjenk, > When you say "define a project" are you talking about > > (a) describing a scope of work that StatsCan intends to resource and > complete? > (b) describing a scope of work that StatsCan hopes the OSM community > will complete on your behalf? > > You've used the passive voice in describing the actual collection in > your description below, so it's not completely clear who you think > will be collecting the information. > > ATB, > > P > > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) > <bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > Basically, what we would like to do is define a project for OSM to > collect > > information about non-residential buildings. > > We would like to popose a list of what would be collected. We were > thinking > > of identifying specific areas to start with. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bjenk Ellefsen, PhD > > > > Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur > les > > entreprises > > Statistics Canada | Statistiques Canada > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Talk-ca mailing list > > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] New project update
Hey Bjenk, When you say "define a project" are you talking about (a) describing a scope of work that StatsCan intends to resource and complete? (b) describing a scope of work that StatsCan hopes the OSM community will complete on your behalf? You've used the passive voice in describing the actual collection in your description below, so it's not completely clear who you think will be collecting the information. ATB, P On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN)wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Basically, what we would like to do is define a project for OSM to collect > information about non-residential buildings. > We would like to popose a list of what would be collected. We were thinking > of identifying specific areas to start with. > > Cheers, > > Bjenk Ellefsen, PhD > > Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur les > entreprises > Statistics Canada | Statistiques Canada > > > > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] New project update
MSF have used this approach in Africa etc with the HOT mapping but you need the bodies to map the data. There maybe enough data in OSM already but the structure/tags might not be as you'd prefer. Cheerio John On 21 April 2016 at 11:35, Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN) < bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Basically, what we would like to do is define a project for OSM to collect > information about non-residential buildings. > We would like to popose a list of what would be collected. We were > thinking of identifying specific areas to start with. > > Cheers, > > Bjenk Ellefsen, PhD > > Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur les > entreprises > Statistics Canada | Statistiques Canada > > > > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] New project update
Hi Bjenk, What type of information are you looking to add about buildings? Some data belongs in OSM while other attributes might be extraneous. Other people on this list will also add their opinion on this issue I'm sure. If it's something being done en masse, it's always best to take an abundance of caution to not upset people at the errors that might crop up. If you'd like to break work down into smaller chunks, there are tasking managers available (including a Canada specific one) that help out with manual tasks. -Kevin On Apr 21, 2016 11:37 AM, "Ellefsen, Bjenk (STATCAN)" < bjenk.ellef...@canada.ca> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Basically, what we would like to do is define a project for OSM to collect > information about non-residential buildings. > We would like to popose a list of what would be collected. We were > thinking of identifying specific areas to start with. > > Cheers, > > Bjenk Ellefsen, PhD > > Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur les > entreprises > Statistics Canada | Statistiques Canada > > > > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] New project update
Hello everyone, Basically, what we would like to do is define a project for OSM to collect information about non-residential buildings. We would like to popose a list of what would be collected. We were thinking of identifying specific areas to start with. Cheers, Bjenk Ellefsen, PhD Center for Special Business Projects | Centre des Projets Spéciaux sur les entreprises Statistics Canada | Statistiques Canada ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca