[Talk-ca] vreimer again

2010-03-05 Thread James Ewen
Now he's buggered up Lesser Slave Lake...

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/50259428

How do you revert screw ups?

James
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Re: [Talk-ca] vreimer again

2010-03-05 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
luckily no other edits have been done on the changeset. quick check shows it's 
malicious or at least careless deletion
revert is done 
but it seems there are 2 duplicated way which should be deleted, maybe veimar 
tried to fix it but damaged in Potlatch live mode and has no clue about undo
good: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/45266403
bad: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/45266460 , 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/45266460



On 5 Mar 2010, at 21:59 , James Ewen wrote:

> Now he's buggered up Lesser Slave Lake...
> 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/50259428
> 
> How do you revert screw ups?
> 
> James
> VE6SRV
> 
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Re: [Talk-ca] vreimer again

2010-03-06 Thread Adam Dunn
I think it should be pointed out that vreimer hasn't made any edits since
the blocking, and this buggering up was done beforehand (Feb 13, 2010 to be
exact). I just think it's worth noting that this Lesser Slave Lake issue is
not about vreimer continuing to make poor editing decisions post-block. It
would be quite unfortunate if the blocking has scared vreimer off OSM
(rather than participating and learning); somebody who spends as much time
as him on OSM would be a good ally, with more mentorship.

Adam

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote:

> luckily no other edits have been done on the changeset. quick check shows
> it's malicious or at least careless deletion
> revert is done
> but it seems there are 2 duplicated way which should be deleted, maybe
> veimar tried to fix it but damaged in Potlatch live mode and has no clue
> about undo
> good: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/45266403
> bad: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/45266460 ,
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/45266460
>
>
>
> On 5 Mar 2010, at 21:59 , James Ewen wrote:
>
> > Now he's buggered up Lesser Slave Lake...
> >
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/50259428
> >
> > How do you revert screw ups?
> >
> > James
> > VE6SRV
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Re: [Talk-ca] vreimer again

2010-03-06 Thread James Ewen
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Adam Dunn  wrote:

> I think it should be pointed out that vreimer hasn't made any edits since
> the blocking, and this buggering up was done beforehand (Feb 13, 2010 to be
> exact). I just think it's worth noting that this Lesser Slave Lake issue is
> not about vreimer continuing to make poor editing decisions post-block. It
> would be quite unfortunate if the blocking has scared vreimer off OSM
> (rather than participating and learning); somebody who spends as much time
> as him on OSM would be a good ally, with more mentorship.

Yes, indeed... I should have stated more correctly:

Now I've noticed that vreimer has caused a problem with Lesser Slave Lake...

In an opensource project like OSM, many hands make light work, but
those hands need to be adding to the quality of the product, not just
quantity.

vreimer is indeed prolific, but at the same time seems to be
introducing quite a bit of less than stellar quality information.

It would be in everyone's best interest to steer this individual
towards more helpful editing of the OSM data.

It just gets frustrating when you find data that was previously
accurately representing the real world has been rendered less than
perfect, and that almost all of these edits all have the same username
associated with them.

James
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Re: [Talk-ca] vreimer again

2010-03-06 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:53 AM, James Ewen  wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Adam Dunn  wrote:
>
> > I think it should be pointed out that vreimer hasn't made any edits since
> > the blocking, and this buggering up was done beforehand (Feb 13, 2010 to
> be
> > exact). I just think it's worth noting that this Lesser Slave Lake issue
> is
> > not about vreimer continuing to make poor editing decisions post-block.
> It
> > would be quite unfortunate if the blocking has scared vreimer off OSM
> > (rather than participating and learning); somebody who spends as much
> time
> > as him on OSM would be a good ally, with more mentorship.
>
> Yes, indeed... I should have stated more correctly:
>
>
maybe, we have a worse experience with a stubborn newbie not listening to
arguments but quite aggressively editing thing in his way

Now I've noticed that vreimer has caused a problem with Lesser Slave Lake...
>
> In an opensource project like OSM, many hands make light work, but
> those hands need to be adding to the quality of the product, not just
> quantity.
>
> I  am still amazed how little vandalism we see. over all osm is still going
well


> vreimer is indeed prolific, but at the same time seems to be
> introducing quite a bit of less than stellar quality information.
>
> It would be in everyone's best interest to steer this individual
> towards more helpful editing of the OSM data.
>
>
if possible yes, otherwise it's better to loose someone like that. all the
hassle can't be compensated by the little benefit.


> It just gets frustrating when you find data that was previously
> accurately representing the real world has been rendered less than
> perfect, and that almost all of these edits all have the same username
> associated with them.
>

that's why I did the revert. it was obvious bad edit and we all should work
on mapping instead fixing broken data.


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