Re: [Talk-ca] [Talk-us] NY Bicycle Routes
Richard Welty wrote: a specific example that's in front of me right now is the Mohawk-Hudson Bike-Hike Trail (aka the Mohawk-Hudson Bikeway). it spans two counties and is maintained by the towns it passes through for the most part, sort of sitting between local and regional. i've dithered over lcn vs rcn, the description of the distinction on the wiki pages doesn't make this very clear. it uses a mixture of dedicated paths on old canal towpaths and old RR roadbed, and a some sections of roadway shared with cars, but without dedicated bike paths (parallel parking, car doors, and everything.) now the Mohawk-Hudson bikeway is also considered part of the longer Erie Canalway Trail, which is clearly an rcn, running as it does from Albany to Buffalo. Two relations: One local for the Mohawk-Hudson, one regional for the Erie Canalway. Multiple references are allowed if they both apply. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] [Talk-us] NY Bicycle Routes
My impression is that the point of having different levels of cycle routes (local, regional, national) is to avoid problems with names conflicting. That would suggest that Adam's interpretation is the way to go -- after all, there's not too much risk that two different cycle routes within the same metro area will have the same designation, right? - Dan On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Adam Killian vi...@bonius.com wrote: For whatever it's worth, I've been tagging the statewide cycle routes in Pennsylvania as RCN. I originally was tagging them as NCN, but there are actually 2 interstate cycle routes in the US, so I switched to RCN. I always took Andy's remark that LCN could mean London cycle network to mean that LCN is the proper tag for networks within a metro area. --Adam Sam Vekemans wrote: Hi, how are you tagging state-wide cycle routes? I know we have lcn= for local cycle routes (named not named) rcn=for regional cycle routes (ie metro area) then there's ncn=for nation wide but there's no scn (state cycle network) or pcn (province cycle network) in Quebec we have a state-wide network, but listed as ncn. (route de verte) (the Trans Canada Trail isnt a 'cycle route' per say, but elements of it allows cycling on different surfaces). Do we make a new render for a 'recreational trail'? Is there an established practice? Thanks, Sam Vekemans Across Canada Trails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] [Talk-us] NY Bicycle Routes
On 10/30/09 6:59 PM, Sam Vekemans wrote: Hi, how are you tagging state-wide cycle routes? I know we have lcn= for local cycle routes (named not named) rcn=for regional cycle routes (ie metro area) then there's ncn=for nation wide but there's no scn (state cycle network) or pcn (province cycle network) i'm using rcn, it seemed the closest. maybe scn should be created? richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] [Talk-us] NY Bicycle Routes
[i'm new to the tagging discussion, just joined, please bear with me] On 11/1/09 7:13 PM, Adam Glauser wrote: Sam's message has me somewhat confused as to who said what. In terms of cycling tagging in North America, where the legal framework is fairly similar* most places, my approach has been as follows, FWIW. First of all, it gets confusing quickly because we don't have much in the way of bicycle-specific laws. this originally came up because i had mentioned on talk-us that i had set up a NY Bike Routes page and had started working on some New York State related routes. LCN makes sense for roads designated as recommended cycling routes. Cities like Toronto have roads and paths which have been deemed to be safe for cycling, which may or may not have cycling-specific infrastructure. a specific example that's in front of me right now is the Mohawk-Hudson Bike-Hike Trail (aka the Mohawk-Hudson Bikeway). it spans two counties and is maintained by the towns it passes through for the most part, sort of sitting between local and regional. i've dithered over lcn vs rcn, the description of the distinction on the wiki pages doesn't make this very clear. it uses a mixture of dedicated paths on old canal towpaths and old RR roadbed, and a some sections of roadway shared with cars, but without dedicated bike paths (parallel parking, car doors, and everything.) now the Mohawk-Hudson bikeway is also considered part of the longer Erie Canalway Trail, which is clearly an rcn, running as it does from Albany to Buffalo. it might be good to look at the master plans that various cities are producing in the US in response to federal requirements. Albany, NY just finalized theirs within the past week, and copies may be obtained here: http://www.albanyny.org/BreakingNews/09-10-30/completion_of_the_albany_bike_master_plan.aspx there is a lot of detail about route designations and implementations in the final draft pdf file. RCN I'm not really sure about. To me, the Route Verte in Quebec would be a good example, though practical and perhaps linguistic reasons have led to it being classified NCN. and in the context i'm looking at, the NY Bike Routes and the canalway trails make sense as rcn tagged trails. richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] [Talk-us] NY Bicycle Routes
For whatever it's worth, I've been tagging the statewide cycle routes in Pennsylvania as RCN. I originally was tagging them as NCN, but there are actually 2 interstate cycle routes in the US, so I switched to RCN. I always took Andy's remark that LCN could mean London cycle network to mean that LCN is the proper tag for networks within a metro area. --Adam Sam Vekemans wrote: Hi, how are you tagging state-wide cycle routes? I know we have lcn= for local cycle routes (named not named) rcn=for regional cycle routes (ie metro area) then there's ncn=for nation wide but there's no scn (state cycle network) or pcn (province cycle network) in Quebec we have a state-wide network, but listed as ncn. (route de verte) (the Trans Canada Trail isnt a 'cycle route' per say, but elements of it allows cycling on different surfaces). Do we make a new render for a 'recreational trail'? Is there an established practice? Thanks, Sam Vekemans Across Canada Trails On 10/30/09, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: i have added a page for NY state bike routes here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/New_York/Bike_Routes and added my just created relation (not quite complete) for the Mohawk Hudson Bikeway from Rotterdam Junction to Albany. lots of bike routes in NY need to be documented: http://www.ptny.org/ richard ___ Talk-us mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] [Talk-us] NY Bicycle Routes
Sam's message has me somewhat confused as to who said what. In terms of cycling tagging in North America, where the legal framework is fairly similar* most places, my approach has been as follows, FWIW. First of all, it gets confusing quickly because we don't have much in the way of bicycle-specific laws. LCN makes sense for roads designated as recommended cycling routes. Cities like Toronto have roads and paths which have been deemed to be safe for cycling, which may or may not have cycling-specific infrastructure. RCN I'm not really sure about. To me, the Route Verte in Quebec would be a good example, though practical and perhaps linguistic reasons have led to it being classified NCN. I think that the sections of the Trans-Canada Trail that allow bicycle use would be properly tagged with NCN. As for what is useful for cyclists to determine what is a good cycling route, I think that the maxspeed and cycleway tags should be the highest priority. There are probably more definitions of what determines a good route than there are cyclists, so simply giving information about the infrastructure will allow each person to determine the best route for their own level of skill. * A notable exception being bylaws regarding the legality of bicycles on sidewalks. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] [Talk-us] NY Bicycle Routes
Hi, how are you tagging state-wide cycle routes? I know we have lcn= for local cycle routes (named not named) rcn=for regional cycle routes (ie metro area) then there's ncn=for nation wide but there's no scn (state cycle network) or pcn (province cycle network) in Quebec we have a state-wide network, but listed as ncn. (route de verte) (the Trans Canada Trail isnt a 'cycle route' per say, but elements of it allows cycling on different surfaces). Do we make a new render for a 'recreational trail'? Is there an established practice? Thanks, Sam Vekemans Across Canada Trails On 10/30/09, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: i have added a page for NY state bike routes here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/New_York/Bike_Routes and added my just created relation (not quite complete) for the Mohawk Hudson Bikeway from Rotterdam Junction to Albany. lots of bike routes in NY need to be documented: http://www.ptny.org/ richard ___ Talk-us mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
