Re: [Talk-ca] What Google Copying?
Perhaps we can find this vreimer another hobby. I have seen his handy work in my area as well... as a matter of fact he's just poked around the area within the last few hours... He's screwed up some road names and other tagging in the area. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/32832523 Here he's merged a township road and a range road, and another township road, then split them... It makes the tagging all screwed up for a number of the ways. I don't see how this one individual can have intimate knowledge of so many diverse areas of the country. While adding material to the OSM database may be viewed by some as constructive, adding information from copyrighted sources is destructive. While we can't see a pattern in this users behaviour, it is difficult to believe that the user is familiar with all of the areas that he/she is editing. Merging ways, and leaving behind a mess is indeed destructive. If this were a new user that was just learning, and making tentative edits, and causing small scale issues. It would be easy to believe that they were doing the edits with the best intentions. We would attempt to reign them in and educate them to help them learn the ropes. This individual however is probably one of the most prolific users I've run across, excepting the mass imports done by limited individuals. Is there not some way to yank back on this user's chain and slow him/her down a little? Let's at least find out what they are up to, where the data is coming from, and maybe help educate them a little bit. James VE6SRV ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] What Google Copying?
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 10:45 PM, James Ewen ve6...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps we can find this vreimer another hobby. We've tried to reach vreimer and had no luck. I've referred vreimer to the data working group for discussion with this thread for reference. I'll update this thread on the DWG's reply in the next week if we haven't heard from them sooner. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] What Google Copying?
Found another example near Valemount, BC, where NRN has a road called Blackman Road (east of a certain road) and Lheureux (west of certain road). Bing has called the road Chevreux. vreimer got it correct, meaning he's not copying Bing either. It's all so mysterious Adam On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Sam Dyck samueld...@gmail.com wrote: So I found a subdivision which most certainly does not exist, and may well never exist in Google herehttp://maps.google.ca/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=engeocode=q=8+Neptune+Baysll=49.918003,-97.039597sspn=0.009243,0.01929ie=UTF8hq=hnear=8+Neptune+Bay,+Winnipeg,+Division+No.+11,+Manitoball=49.847205,-97.168794spn=0.004628,0.009645t=hz=17. The streets are not on Yahoo, Bing, OSM or NRN. The land the streets occupy is owned by Manitoba Hydro and has to high voltage lines that pass through it towards the Taylor and Scotland Yard Stations and Downtown Winnipeg ( OSMhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.85185lon=-97.1602zoom=15layers=B000FTF) and while development is planned nearby, I believe this land is off limits for obvious reasons. This would suggest to me that vreimer either lives in Winnipeg and knows Google is wrong, or doesn't get data from Google (which previous posts also suggested). Sam ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] What Google Copying?
Found another example near Valemount, BC, where NRN has a road called Blackman Road (east of a certain road) and Lheureux (west of certain road). Bing has called the road Chevreux. vreimer got it correct, meaning he's not copying Bing either. It's all so mysterious Adam On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Sam Dyck samueld...@gmail.com wrote: So I found a subdivision which most certainly does not exist, and may well never exist in Google herehttp://maps.google.ca/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=engeocode=q=8+Neptune+Baysll=49.918003,-97.039597sspn=0.009243,0.01929ie=UTF8hq=hnear=8+Neptune+Bay,+Winnipeg,+Division+No.+11,+Manitoball=49.847205,-97.168794spn=0.004628,0.009645t=hz=17. The streets are not on Yahoo, Bing, OSM or NRN. The land the streets occupy is owned by Manitoba Hydro and has to high voltage lines that pass through it towards the Taylor and Scotland Yard Stations and Downtown Winnipeg ( OSMhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.85185lon=-97.1602zoom=15layers=B000FTF) and while development is planned nearby, I believe this land is off limits for obvious reasons. This would suggest to me that vreimer either lives in Winnipeg and knows Google is wrong, or doesn't get data from Google (which previous posts also suggested). Sam ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] What Google Copying?
I've been looking at StatCan's GeoSearch 2006 map [ http://geodepot.statcan.ca/GeoSearch2006/GeoSearch2006.jsp?minx=4432901.48950264miny=2238764.61686325maxx=4434592.66597324maxy=2239794.02862796LastImage=http://geodepot.statcan.ca/Diss/Output/GeoSearch2006_geodepotfarm531483932432153.gifresolution=Hlang=EswitchTab=0] and it seems like vreimer isn't using that one as a copy. Interestingly, Stats Can and NRN disagree with each other on some of the same points that I noticed in vreimer's differences against NRN, but Stats Can introduces yet another variation of errors in the Valemount area. In other words, vreimer, Google, Bing, NRN, and Stats Can all have slightly different versions of Valemount. Not one of those is exactly like any of the others. For some things that vreimer had differed from NRN, he was a match for Stats Can, but then for some things he was different than Stats Can. For example, the Williams Drive/Juniper/Larch area, vreimer had a topological match to Stats Can (Williams Drive extending past Juniper, and no Larch at all), but Stats Can calls it Williams Rd, whereas NRN says Dr, and vreimer has Dr. I looked at Atlas of Canada, but didn't see a slippy map that shows street names. Is there a map from Atlas of Canada that has street names without having to download the data and open it up in some GIS software? Adam On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Sam Dyck samueld...@gmail.com wrote: Found another example near Valemount, BC, where NRN has a road called Blackman Road (east of a certain road) and Lheureux (west of certain road). Bing has called the road Chevreux. vreimer got it correct, meaning he's not copying Bing either. It's all so mysterious Adam On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Sam Dyck samueld...@gmail.com wrote: So I found a subdivision which most certainly does not exist, and may well never exist in Google herehttp://maps.google.ca/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=engeocode=q=8+Neptune+Baysll=49.918003,-97.039597sspn=0.009243,0.01929ie=UTF8hq=hnear=8+Neptune+Bay,+Winnipeg,+Division+No.+11,+Manitoball=49.847205,-97.168794spn=0.004628,0.009645t=hz=17. The streets are not on Yahoo, Bing, OSM or NRN. The land the streets occupy is owned by Manitoba Hydro and has to high voltage lines that pass through it towards the Taylor and Scotland Yard Stations and Downtown Winnipeg ( OSMhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.85185lon=-97.1602zoom=15layers=B000FTF) and while development is planned nearby, I believe this land is off limits for obvious reasons. This would suggest to me that vreimer either lives in Winnipeg and knows Google is wrong, or doesn't get data from Google (which previous posts also suggested). Sam ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] What Google Copying?
Not in Winnipeg, the city doesn't believe in open data and the maps website is incredibly cumbersome. The street name that got this discussion started was correct on the city's assessment website (the only city map that actually works). Sam On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Dan Putler dan.put...@sauder.ubc.cawrote: Could there be district municipality or regional district engineering/road department shapefiles or cad files floating around for some of these areas? Dan On Sun, 2010-02-28 at 20:50 -0800, Adam Dunn wrote: I've been looking at StatCan's GeoSearch 2006 map [ http://geodepot.statcan.ca/GeoSearch2006/GeoSearch2006.jsp?minx=4432901.48950264miny=2238764.61686325maxx=4434592.66597324maxy=2239794.02862796LastImage=http://geodepot.statcan.ca/Diss/Output/GeoSearch2006_geodepotfarm531483932432153.gifresolution=Hlang=EswitchTab=0] and it seems like vreimer isn't using that one as a copy. Interestingly, Stats Can and NRN disagree with each other on some of the same points that I noticed in vreimer's differences against NRN, but Stats Can introduces yet another variation of errors in the Valemount area. In other words, vreimer, Google, Bing, NRN, and Stats Can all have slightly different versions of Valemount. Not one of those is exactly like any of the others. For some things that vreimer had differed from NRN, he was a match for Stats Can, but then for some things he was different than Stats Can. For example, the Williams Drive/Juniper/Larch area, vreimer had a topological match to Stats Can (Williams Drive extending past Juniper, and no Larch at all), but Stats Can calls it Williams Rd, whereas NRN says Dr, and vreimer has Dr. I looked at Atlas of Canada, but didn't see a slippy map that shows street names. Is there a map from Atlas of Canada that has street names without having to download the data and open it up in some GIS software? Adam On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Sam Dyck samueld...@gmail.com wrote: Found another example near Valemount, BC, where NRN has a road called Blackman Road (east of a certain road) and Lheureux (west of certain road). Bing has called the road Chevreux. vreimer got it correct, meaning he's not copying Bing either. It's all so mysterious Adam On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Sam Dyck samueld...@gmail.com wrote: So I found a subdivision which most certainly does not exist, and may well never exist in Google here. The streets are not on Yahoo, Bing, OSM or NRN. The land the streets occupy is owned by Manitoba Hydro and has to high voltage lines that pass through it towards the Taylor and Scotland Yard Stations and Downtown Winnipeg (OSM) and while development is planned nearby, I believe this land is off limits for obvious reasons. This would suggest to me that vreimer either lives in Winnipeg and knows Google is wrong, or doesn't get data from Google (which previous posts also suggested). Sam ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Dan Putler Sauder School of Business University of British Columbia ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
