[Talk-es] Please revert Barcelona stations (was:Re: Barcelona - subway stations and routes.)
Gernot, Sorry again, but wikipedia is known to have data from copyrighted sources, and so it is also a bad source for OSM. Wikipedia as a source for geodata is banned to us, as it was said in the lists once and again. Please, could you revert all changes you made using wikipedia? Not doing so may lead to finally deleting *ALL* your edits. Please, *PLEASE*, use only sources of data that are known to have a license compatible with OSM. If you can't find any, just use the ol' good method of GPS traces. (I know, I know, there are very few sources with compatible licenses. That is why we are creating OSM :-) Thanks, Quico 2009/8/13 Gernot Hillier ger...@hillier.de Hi there! Sorry for self-followup, just wanted to let you know I finished on this topic for now... Gernot Hillier wrote: So if you don't violate any copyright, fell free of mapping what you like, that's OSM. Unfortunately, this information is copyrighted. It should'n be, but it is. So please don't copy. Finally, I found another great resource: Wikipedia has a great series of articles about the Barcelona Metro system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barcelona_Metro). Here I could find everything I need - even including geo coordinates for nearly all Metro stations, so it was quite easy to add them to OSM. I now reworked the lines I already mapped and finished the others. Now all data is only based on the Wikipedia information. For now, I'm quite happy with it. L1/L2/L3/L4/L5/L6/L7/L8/L11 are hopefully completely mapped (not all done by me, some were already available). I also reworked the Rodalies lines in Barcelone metropolitan area a bit. Hope you're fine with my additions - I do like them at least. :-D BTW: the tram stations remain as an exercise for someone else. :) -- Gernot ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Please revert Barcelona stations (was:Re: Barcelona - subway stations and routes.)
Hi Francisco! Francisco R. Santos schrieb: Sorry again, but wikipedia is known to have data from copyrighted sources, and so it is also a bad source for OSM. Wikipedia as a source for geodata is banned to us, as it was said in the lists once and again. Please, could you revert all changes you made using wikipedia? Not doing so may lead to finally deleting *ALL* your edits. Please, *PLEASE*, use only sources of data that are known to have a license compatible with OSM. If you can't find any, just use the ol' good method of GPS traces. (I know, I know, there are very few sources with compatible licenses. That is why we are creating OSM :-) Ehrm, sorry, but now I'm really puzzled. Wikipedia content is actually licensed under CC-BY-SA just like OpenStreetMap is. So I really can't understand your concerns here. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikipedia lists a lot of cooperation areas between OSM and Wikipedia. All of this really sounds contradictory to your statements. Could you please point me to a source which states that Wikipedia data can't be used during mapping? With some real legal arguments? I also just read through http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-May/036582.html - and a lot of knowledgable people seem to be ok with importing some data from Wikipedia. -- Gernot ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Please revert Barcelona stations (was:Re: Barcelona - subway stations and routes.)
2009/8/13 Francisco R. Santos frsan...@gmail.com: Sorry again, but wikipedia is known to have data from copyrighted sources, and so it is also a bad source for OSM. Wikipedia as a source for geodata is banned to us, as it was said in the lists once and again. It's known that many of the georeferences embedded in wp pages are derived from google data. This ban doesn't apply to any other type of information, and even there it's not certain that this can ever be a legal problem because many lawyers believe that information is not copyrightable. It makes no sense to treat any wikipedia data as possible copyright infringement but treat our data in OSM as clean because both projects have the same kind of volunteer contributors. And if you can't trust anybody the only logical way forward for you is to redraw *everything* in openstreetmap because you can only trust yourself. Cheers ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Please revert Barcelona stations (was:Re: Barcelona - subway stations and routes.)
Hi! andrzej zaborowski schrieb: 2009/8/13 Francisco R. Santos frsan...@gmail.com: Sorry again, but wikipedia is known to have data from copyrighted sources, and so it is also a bad source for OSM. Wikipedia as a source for geodata is banned to us, as it was said in the lists once and again. It's known that many of the georeferences embedded in wp pages are derived from google data. This ban doesn't apply to any other type of information, and even there it's not certain that this can ever be a legal problem because many lawyers believe that information is not copyrightable. It makes no sense to treat any wikipedia data as possible copyright infringement but treat our data in OSM as clean because both projects have the same kind of volunteer contributors. And if you can't trust anybody the only logical way forward for you is to redraw *everything* in openstreetmap because you can only trust yourself. Well, and finally, this is *my risk*. Everyone can see in OSM history that I added the data and can prosecute me if he believes there's any chance to win such a court case. -- Gernot ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Please revert Barcelona stations (was:Re: Barcelona - subway stations and routes.)
2009/8/13 Gernot Hillier ger...@hillier.de I also just read through http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-May/036582.html - and a lot of knowledgable people seem to be ok with importing some data from Wikipedia. Yes, and a lot are against, too. Well, and finally, this is *my risk*. Everyone can see in OSM history that I added the data and can prosecute me if he believes there's any chance to win such a court case. The problem isn't that they'll prosecute *you* (OSM data belongs to the OSM foundation, so they'll prosecute OSM), but that all your data and *all future modifications based on that* could be reverted to a state previous to your modifications.. I don't follow the legal list, but the perception I have from reading the common lists about wikipedia imports is: it's not fully safe to do that, so, don't risk. Quico ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
[Talk-es] Wiki Proyecto Sahara Occidental
Hola colisteros y colisteras En primer lugar me presento, me llamo David González aka Ketari y soy nuevo en OSM (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ketari) de momento estoy ayudando a mejorar un poco los mapas por mi ciudad (Donosti) y alrededores. El otro día viendo los mapas de OSM del Sahara Occidental observé que la frontera entre este territorio y Marruecos no existía así que lancé una pregunta en los diarios de OSM http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ketari/diary/7480 Entonces me puse a trazar la frontera entre el SO y Marruecos trazando una línea recta desde la frontera con Argelia donde se separan los dos paises, que si estaba marcada http://osm.org/go/bp...@el- , y la costa del Atlántico Buscando información sobre el SO hay bastante sobre datos topográficos en la red [http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:WikiProject_Sahara_Occidental#Enlaces] muchos de ellos de gente que hizo la mili en estos lugares durante la colonia española y me pareció buena idea iniciar un Wiki Proyecto para atraer a OSM a gente que si nos puede ayudar a trazar mapas del SO Página del Wiki Proyecto en Español http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:WikiProject_Sahara_Occidental Página del Wiki Proyecto en Inglés http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Western_Sahara (El Inglés no es mi fuerte) Desde aquí alguna responsabilidad tenemos (el Gobierno más bien) con ese territorio al que abandonamos (y seguimos abandonando) a su suerte esperando que los refugiados se los acabe tragando la tierra Un saludo. David Gonález http://ketari.nireblog.com http://ketari.nirudia.com ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
