Re: [Talk-GB] Authorities, boundaries and admin-levels
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.comwrote: *UK *England/Wales/Scotland *English regions (North East, East of England etc) *Ceremonial counties/unitaries *Districts *Parishes/Wards etc (but lets deal with the big ones first) Ceremonial counties are not part of the administrative hierarchy, they form a separate hierarchy - the border between ceremonial Durham and ceremonial North Yorkshire goes through the Stockton-on-Tees unitary authority along the river. Do you mean metropolitan and non-metropolitan counties? The mention of NUTS worries me. In England it doesn't encode the actual administrative hierarchy anyway and classifies this area as UKC... North East England UKC1... Tees Valley and Durham UKC11... Hartlepool and Stockton-on-Tees I trust we aren't going to see agglomerations like 'Hartlepool and Stockton' appear in the database instead of the actual administrative regions. -- Abi ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Authorities, boundaries and admin-levels
On 11 Jun 2009, at 07:49, Abigail Brady wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: *UK *England/Wales/Scotland *English regions (North East, East of England etc) *Ceremonial counties/unitaries *Districts *Parishes/Wards etc (but lets deal with the big ones first) Ceremonial counties are not part of the administrative hierarchy, they form a separate hierarchy Good point. How about tagging ceremonial counties as 'type=boundary' and 'boundary=ceremonial'? We can use the admin-level for county to indicate that it is a ceremonial county as distinct from a ceremonial region (if there is such a thing). We could then also have 'boundary=historical county' and other inventions for defunct administrative boundaries. the border between ceremonial Durham and ceremonial North Yorkshire goes through the Stockton-on-Tees unitary authority along the river. I have added a new boundary for the ceremonial county as distinct to the unitary which I think is correct:- County Durham (ceremonial) http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/156050 Durham (unitary) http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/88067 Do you mean metropolitan and non-metropolitan counties? possibly! Would that be approriate? The mention of NUTS worries me. In England it doesn't encode the actual administrative hierarchy anyway and classifies this area as UKC... North East England UKC1... Tees Valley and Durham UKC11... Hartlepool and Stockton-on-Tees I trust we aren't going to see agglomerations like 'Hartlepool and Stockton' appear in the database instead of the actual administrative regions. Personally I am interested in having good boundaries for the regions, the ceremonial counties and the administrative units (county councils, unitary council etc). Hartlepool and Stockton-on-Tees are separate unitaries and have separate boundaries which I think is correct. For administrative purposes I believe that Harlepool is in the North West which is in England which is in the UK. Hartlepool is also in the ceremonial county of County Durham and also possibly in the UKC11 area but those are different and outside the core 'boundary=administrative' structure. Possibly someone might like to add the UKC11 boundary, but that is not one I have come across and doesn't appear to be in the hierarchy we are talking about. If NUTS does this then possibly it is not appropriate. It should be said that the area we are talking about is one of the more complex in the UK given that the counties/unitaries don't fit neatly into a single region. Regards, Peter -- Abi ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Authorities, boundaries and admin-levels
And here is the current OSM guidance:- http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:admin_level#admin_level In order to tie in with NUTS and with guidance for other countries within OSM we might want to do the following for England (Scotland and Wales would be similar but would skip some levels):- UK (admin_level=2) England/Wales/Scotland (admin_level=4) English regions (North East, East of England etc) (also admin_level=4 as per NUTS) Ceremonial counties - where they exist (admin_level= 5) County Councils/Unitary Authorities (admin-level=6) Districts (admin-level=8) districts / London boroughs / metropolitan boroughs. These suggestions look to me to retain the existing levels while adding regions at 4, and ceremonial counties at 5. Reading the information about NUTS it seems sensible to have regions at the same level as the Wales/England/Scotland admin level, though before reading that I was tempted to suggest we move them to 3 to distinguish them. We could still do that of course and have admin_levels 3 and 4 equating to one NUTS level. Looking at the link about the current admin levels I noticed Turkey in the table just above UK and they have the NUT1 to 5 (now I understand NUTS1 to NUTS3 and LAU1/LAU2) at different admin levels to what we're proposing. I think it would make sense if we could standardise across Europe if we are going to do anything with NUTS levels but I'm not sure how we'd manage that. A quick scroll and Spain, Sweden, Hungary, Germany and Czech Republic all seem to have different NUTS levels implementations. Perhaps it is the case that NUTS levels, designed mainly for statistics, does have different admin level mappings in different countries? In fact that is what the table here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NUTS#Levels suggests is the case, so I think we let other countries worry about their admin levels and concentrate on ours. So, yes, as this proposal doesn't seem to change anything, but just adds regions and ceremonial counties at what look like sensible places, I think it looks OK. Although I see the later post about ceremonial and use the same admin level as county, which looks OK too. Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Three Corner Cycle Ride (and OSM mapping)
All, I just thought I'd let you all know about the charity cycle ride that I'll be doing this summer in aid of the British Heart Foundation and all of the associated mapping I'm planning to do for OSM as a result of it. This Sunday I'm setting off from Canterbury to go via Dover, Land's End, John O'Groats, and then back to Canterbury - about 3000 miles. I'm keeping a blog online, which also has a link to my sponsorship page if you're interested in supporting me: http://www.threecornerscycleride.org.uk/ So, on to my planned OSM coverage. I'm using a mixture of the NCN and other roads where the NCN is inconvenient. I hope to cover these stretches of the NCN: - Kent's RCR16 from Canterbury to Dover. Already fully mapped, but more tracks never do any harm! - NCR2 from Dover to Shoreham-by-Sea. Also following the small sections of NCR2 that exist as far west as Poole. - Following the sections of NCR25 that exist from Poole to Shillingstone. This should improve our NCR25 coverage by several miles. - A tiny section of Dorset's RCR41 west of Okeford Fitzpaine, which I hope there'll be signing evidence for on the ground. - A short section of NCR26 between Bradford Abbas and Yeovil, though we've already got this mapped. - NCR27 from near Exbourne to Hatherleigh. - NCR3 from Hatherleigh via Bude to Bodmin following braids that we currently don't have mapped. - NCR32 from Bodmin via Padstow and Newquay to Truro. This should add considerably to our coverage of this route. - NCR3 braid south from Truro to Bissoe, which we haven't got any coverage for yet. - NCR3 between Truro and Land's End, using a different braid into Truro. This'll add quite a bit to our coverage of this route. - NCR3 from London Apprentice (a little south of St. Austell) to near Bodmin. - A small portion of NCR2 in Exeter. - NCR3 from Tiverton to Cossington, mainly mapped, but I believe I'll cover one new braid. - NCR33 from Cossington to Brean, which isn't mapped at all yet. - NCR26 from Winscombe to RCR10 near Clevedon. - Short stretches of RCR10 near Clevedon, but trying to concentrate on the upmapped NCR26 spur into Portishead. - NCR41 and RCR10 over the bridge with the M49 to the point that that the routes diverge. Following RCR10 back to where they converge again near Elberton. Following NCR41 from here to Gloucester, which looks like it's pretty much mapped already. - Largely unmapped NCR45 from Stourport-on-Severn to Bridgnorth. - Unmapped NCR55 from Telford to Lilleshall. - RCR75 from Newport to just west of Audlem, closing the gap in our coverage here. - RCR75 from Nantwich to Winsford, also closing a gap in our coverage. - A short portion of NCR5 between Winsford and Northwich, which we've already got mapped. - Join our existing RCR70 coverage near Great Budworth, leaving near High Legh. - A short section of unmapped RCR82 at Shevington, near Wigan. Also a tiny portion of RCR91 on my way out towards Eccleston. - Fully mapped RCR90 from NW of Preston to where it meets NCR6. NCR6 from here to Hollins Lane, then rejoining RCR90 again shortly afterwards to NCR69. Again all fully mapped. - A tiny portion of unmapped NCR71 at King's Meaburn. - A small portion of already-mapped NCR7 at Langwathby. - Unmapped NCR72 from near Warwick Bridge to near Carlisle. - Unmapped NCR7 from Carlisle to Longtown. - Fully mapped NCR74 from Gretna to A70 junction near Douglas. - Fully mapped NCR75 from Uddingston through Glasgow to NCR7. NCR7 from here to where it joins NCR1 relatively near Inverness, which should vastly improve our coverage of the route. - NCR1 between John O'Groats back to Canterbury, with these exceptions: NCR65 from Middlesbrough to Hessle, bits of NCR13 and RCR30 between Dereham and Sudbury [Hopefully this'll mean that we'll have 100% coverage by the end of my travels, if you except the bit on the Orkneys :-)] Aside from the NCN mapping my route also takes in many roads that we haven't got any coverage for yet. I'll also be trying to get lots of POIs along the way: pubs, phone boxes, postboxes (with refs, of course), my overnight accommodation (with postcodes when I get their business cards), together with speed limits, height restrictions, etc. I'll be entering my data from the road, but probably accumulating a bit of a backlog at the same time because I've only got rest days planned approximately once a week. Also, for anybody that's within easy reach of London and Canterbury, I've organised for one of our local cycle campaign's group rides to coincide with my final day of cycling (22-Aug). So, I'd be glad to meet others on this day. Details here: http://www.spokeseastkent.org.uk/events.php It should be a fun OSM summer! Cheers, Gregory
Re: [Talk-GB] Sustrans National Cycle Network Mileposts and Art
Sustrans Artwork list now available: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_Sustrans_Artw ork You will see that art that has a spread location has a alpha reference for each part after the reference number. Reorder the table by sustrans_ref to see it better as by default the table is now ordered by location. If anyone struggles to work out what an item is, then I may be able to narrow it down if you send me the lat/lon you have collected for it. The bottom of the table has a fair number of pieces with no location. Sustrans don't have any location for these. Treasure hunt time? Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of David Earl Sent: 08 June 2009 1:25 PM To: Ed Loach; osm-gb Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Sustrans National Cycle Network Mileposts and Art On 08/06/2009 13:06, Ed Loach wrote: Jonathan asked: Do we have an existing tagging scheme for these? Yes http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_National_Cycl e_Network#Tagging_information That seems to be just mile posts. What about tagging the artwork? What about linear artwork? This one http://cambridge.cyclestreets.net/location/10548/ stretches out along the path for several hundred metres (and the solar system artwork on the York to Selby path is placed intermittently over a long distance I believe). David ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Vandalism in Kent/London area
I have found a number of damaged road and rail links done by this user who registered on June 2nd and has done a number of edits since then: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/liam123 I removed a spurious railway line in London yesterday and also corrected the position of a roundabout. I messaged him 24 hours ago asking politely if it was a mistake or finger trouble without any response. Today I have corrected further damage, this time to sections of the M20 and HS1 although I have not checked all of the changes and am not, of course sure what it looked like exactly before the damage. Thurrock Railway station has been moved into the Thames. I haven't moved it back because I don't know where it should be. Can I suggest that others go though the rest of his work and consider some cunning manual reversion if necessary? Regards, Peter ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
