Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

[Phil Monger]

Hi Tom,

Not sure I agree that Streetview is 'horrible' - as a free base map it will
rival or beat any of the others I have seen. This is even more true for
rural areas.

I am aware most of the raster stuff got left out, but streetview *is* raster
- it says as much in the PDF.

What we would want to do, I think, is encourage people to rapidly trace this
to form a base map, then set upon the task of checking it for accuracy.
Secondly, adding to it all the great features that we know from OSM - with
the time burden or walking all the streets gone, that second part should
progress more rapidly.

Phil

On 1 April 2010 00:47, Tom Hughes  wrote:

> On 01/04/10 00:06, Phil Monger wrote:
>
>  The streetview announcement is FANTASTIC news for OSM in the UK - as the
>> database is pretty much exactly what is being built - roads / streets /
>> names , etc.
>>
>
> StreetView is horrible - the vector data will be far more useful.
>
>
>  We can surely get this as a "backdrop" layer, like the Yahoo imagery?
>>
>
> I suspect that will be the best approach, yes. We'll probably want to wait
> for the Vector Map District release in May though as that will be a better
> data set than Meridian 2. Of course Boundary Line will also be useful for
> tracing and that should be available tomorrow.
>
> All this assume the license is OK of course, which we won't know until we
> see it.
>
>
>  A bulk import wouldn't be possible, as this is raster data. (Though the
>> rest of the datasets seem to have a vector element, borders ect)
>>
>
> It's not raster data. Almost all the raster data got left out.
>
>
>  Exciting times ... I'll finally have some backing for my small
>> Lincolnshire village without needing to go out and GPS trace the entire
>> place
>>
>
> If it's only a small village then surveying it wouldn't take long anyway
> ;-) Plus you'll get all sorts of detail that the OS mapping won't have.
>
> Tom
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Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

[Tom Hughes]

On 01/04/10 00:06, Phil Monger wrote:

> The streetview announcement is FANTASTIC news for OSM in the UK - as the
> database is pretty much exactly what is being built - roads / streets /
> names , etc.

StreetView is horrible - the vector data will be far more useful.

> We can surely get this as a "backdrop" layer, like the Yahoo imagery?

I suspect that will be the best approach, yes. We'll probably want to 
wait for the Vector Map District release in May though as that will be a 
better data set than Meridian 2. Of course Boundary Line will also be 
useful for tracing and that should be available tomorrow.

All this assume the license is OK of course, which we won't know until 
we see it.

> A bulk import wouldn't be possible, as this is raster data. (Though the
> rest of the datasets seem to have a vector element, borders ect)

It's not raster data. Almost all the raster data got left out.

> Exciting times ... I'll finally have some backing for my small
> Lincolnshire village without needing to go out and GPS trace the entire
> place

If it's only a small village then surveying it wouldn't take long anyway 
;-) Plus you'll get all sorts of detail that the OS mapping won't have.

Tom

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Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

[Phil Monger]

The streetview announcement is FANTASTIC news for OSM in the UK - as the
database is pretty much exactly what is being built - roads / streets /
names , etc.

We can surely get this as a "backdrop" layer, like the Yahoo imagery?

A bulk import wouldn't be possible, as this is raster data. (Though the rest
of the datasets seem to have a vector element, borders ect)

Exciting times ... I'll finally have some backing for my small
Lincolnshire village without needing to go out and GPS trace the entire
place

(apologies to the person I may have double replied this to!)

On 31 March 2010 23:31, Gregory  wrote:

>
>
> On 31 March 2010 15:16, Tristan Thomas wrote:
>
>> As a rare contributor, sorry if my questions seem a bit obvious.  What
>> does this actually mean?  ie. will OSM now have every single street in it
>> (once imported obviously) and so contributors won't be able to contribute by
>> adding roads (other than new ones)?
>
>
> I don't know exactly what is going to make it from OS to OSM yet, but... It
> is still good (very important in my opinion) for the map to be checked.
> For one reason, see
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Copyright_Easter_Eggs
>
> You can check roads while adding valuable other data, bicycle racks,
> recycling bins, restaurants, shops, and stuff that might not be on the OS
> maps (or not on what they have released).
>
> In some places it may even be tricky to do an automatic bulk import of OS
> data, because of duplicating extensive data already added to OSM.
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

[Gregory]

On 31 March 2010 15:16, Tristan Thomas wrote:

> As a rare contributor, sorry if my questions seem a bit obvious.  What does
> this actually mean?  ie. will OSM now have every single street in it (once
> imported obviously) and so contributors won't be able to contribute by
> adding roads (other than new ones)?


I don't know exactly what is going to make it from OS to OSM yet, but... It
is still good (very important in my opinion) for the map to be checked.
For one reason, see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Copyright_Easter_Eggs

You can check roads while adding valuable other data, bicycle racks,
recycling bins, restaurants, shops, and stuff that might not be on the OS
maps (or not on what they have released).

In some places it may even be tricky to do an automatic bulk import of OS
data, because of duplicating extensive data already added to OSM.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

[Tristan Thomas]

As a rare contributor, sorry if my questions seem a bit obvious.  What does
this actually mean?  ie. will OSM now have every single street in it (once
imported obviously) and so contributors won't be able to contribute by
adding roads (other than new ones)?

Sounds like a very good result though!

Tristan

On 31 March 2010 22:15, Graham Jones  wrote:

> Well, I've been trying to spot the 'April Fool' in this, but can't!
>
> It will be interesting to see what gets released tomorrow.
>
> Well done!
>
> Graham.
>
>
> On 31 March 2010 22:09, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) <
> ajrli...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Slap on the back all round I think. I'll raise a glass at the Brum social
>> tomorrow night :-)
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> >-Original Message-
>> >From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-
>> >boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Richard Fairhurst
>> >Sent: 31 March 2010 9:36 PM
>> >To: t...@openstreetmap.org; talk-gb OSM List (E-mail)
>> >Subject: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey
>> >
>> >For those who don't live on Twitter:
>> >
>> >The UK Government has just announced its decision on freeing Ordnance
>> >Survey data. Full document is at
>> >http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/corporate/pdf/1528263.pdf
>> >
>> >Quick summary of what'll be released:
>> >
>> >- medium-resolution vector data (Meridian2), includes street geometries
>> >and names though the curves are a bit angular: see
>> >http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/products/meridian2/
>> >- another new vector dataset called OS VectorMap District, scope as yet
>> >unknown
>> >- StreetView raster data (includes street names, building outlines)
>> >- postcodes, though with points ("unit centres") not areas (Code-Point
>> >Open)
>> >- administrative boundaries (Boundary-Line)
>> >- gazetteer (OS Locator)
>> >- terrain data (Land-Form PANORAMA)
>> >- a couple of negligible very small-scale maps
>> >
>> >Contrary to original proposal, Landranger and Explorer rasters
>> >(1:25k/1:50k) will not be included.
>> >
>> >Data available tomorrow (Thursday) at
>> >http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendata .
>> >
>> >Licence will be "without restrictions on use and re-use". Original
>> >proposal was CC-BY. The response notes that several respondees (many of
>> >whom read this list, I suspect) suggested either pure PD or the ODC
>> >licences because of the database rights issue, but doesn't actually say
>> >what the licence will be.
>> >
>> >I'm sure there are a few other things we'd have liked to have seen
>> >(aerial imagery, for example) but on balance this is a great result IMO
>> >- and one that wouldn't have happened without OSM.
>> >
>> >Suggest follow-ups to talk-gb.
>> >
>> >cheers
>> >Richard
>> >
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Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

[Gregory]

Thanks very much Richard. I had been sitting in my GIS class this morning
thinking about the due announcement as the lecturer mentioned OS OpenSpace,
and said OS is like the Canada and USA mapping agencies. More on my blog
http://www.livingwithdragons.com/2010/03/teaching-neogeography


On 31 March 2010 13:36, Richard Fairhurst  wrote:

> Licence will be "without restrictions on use and re-use". Original
> proposal was CC-BY.

Without restrictions? Does that mean no attribution, it sounds like PD. Or
does it mean they haven't told us the exact license yet but it will be
"nice"?

I'm sure there are a few other things we'd have liked to have seen
> (aerial imagery, for example) but on balance this is a great result IMO
> - and one that wouldn't have happened without OSM.

Should we be importing anything to OSM? Or at least making comparison tools
around this OS data to compare our coverage? If there is tracing to be done
then it might make a great project of the week.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

[Graham Jones]

Well, I've been trying to spot the 'April Fool' in this, but can't!

It will be interesting to see what gets released tomorrow.

Well done!

Graham.

On 31 March 2010 22:09, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) <
ajrli...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Slap on the back all round I think. I'll raise a glass at the Brum social
> tomorrow night :-)
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-
> >boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Richard Fairhurst
> >Sent: 31 March 2010 9:36 PM
> >To: t...@openstreetmap.org; talk-gb OSM List (E-mail)
> >Subject: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey
> >
> >For those who don't live on Twitter:
> >
> >The UK Government has just announced its decision on freeing Ordnance
> >Survey data. Full document is at
> >http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/corporate/pdf/1528263.pdf
> >
> >Quick summary of what'll be released:
> >
> >- medium-resolution vector data (Meridian2), includes street geometries
> >and names though the curves are a bit angular: see
> >http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/products/meridian2/
> >- another new vector dataset called OS VectorMap District, scope as yet
> >unknown
> >- StreetView raster data (includes street names, building outlines)
> >- postcodes, though with points ("unit centres") not areas (Code-Point
> >Open)
> >- administrative boundaries (Boundary-Line)
> >- gazetteer (OS Locator)
> >- terrain data (Land-Form PANORAMA)
> >- a couple of negligible very small-scale maps
> >
> >Contrary to original proposal, Landranger and Explorer rasters
> >(1:25k/1:50k) will not be included.
> >
> >Data available tomorrow (Thursday) at
> >http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendata .
> >
> >Licence will be "without restrictions on use and re-use". Original
> >proposal was CC-BY. The response notes that several respondees (many of
> >whom read this list, I suspect) suggested either pure PD or the ODC
> >licences because of the database rights issue, but doesn't actually say
> >what the licence will be.
> >
> >I'm sure there are a few other things we'd have liked to have seen
> >(aerial imagery, for example) but on balance this is a great result IMO
> >- and one that wouldn't have happened without OSM.
> >
> >Suggest follow-ups to talk-gb.
> >
> >cheers
> >Richard
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Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

[Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)]

Slap on the back all round I think. I'll raise a glass at the Brum social
tomorrow night :-)

Cheers

Andy

>-Original Message-
>From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-
>boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Richard Fairhurst
>Sent: 31 March 2010 9:36 PM
>To: t...@openstreetmap.org; talk-gb OSM List (E-mail)
>Subject: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey
>
>For those who don't live on Twitter:
>
>The UK Government has just announced its decision on freeing Ordnance
>Survey data. Full document is at
>http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/corporate/pdf/1528263.pdf
>
>Quick summary of what'll be released:
>
>- medium-resolution vector data (Meridian2), includes street geometries
>and names though the curves are a bit angular: see
>http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/products/meridian2/
>- another new vector dataset called OS VectorMap District, scope as yet
>unknown
>- StreetView raster data (includes street names, building outlines)
>- postcodes, though with points ("unit centres") not areas (Code-Point
>Open)
>- administrative boundaries (Boundary-Line)
>- gazetteer (OS Locator)
>- terrain data (Land-Form PANORAMA)
>- a couple of negligible very small-scale maps
>
>Contrary to original proposal, Landranger and Explorer rasters
>(1:25k/1:50k) will not be included.
>
>Data available tomorrow (Thursday) at
>http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendata .
>
>Licence will be "without restrictions on use and re-use". Original
>proposal was CC-BY. The response notes that several respondees (many of
>whom read this list, I suspect) suggested either pure PD or the ODC
>licences because of the database rights issue, but doesn't actually say
>what the licence will be.
>
>I'm sure there are a few other things we'd have liked to have seen
>(aerial imagery, for example) but on balance this is a great result IMO
>- and one that wouldn't have happened without OSM.
>
>Suggest follow-ups to talk-gb.
>
>cheers
>Richard
>
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[Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

[Richard Fairhurst]

For those who don't live on Twitter:

The UK Government has just announced its decision on freeing Ordnance 
Survey data. Full document is at 
http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/corporate/pdf/1528263.pdf

Quick summary of what'll be released:

- medium-resolution vector data (Meridian2), includes street geometries 
and names though the curves are a bit angular: see 
http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/products/meridian2/
- another new vector dataset called OS VectorMap District, scope as yet 
unknown
- StreetView raster data (includes street names, building outlines)
- postcodes, though with points ("unit centres") not areas (Code-Point Open)
- administrative boundaries (Boundary-Line)
- gazetteer (OS Locator)
- terrain data (Land-Form PANORAMA)
- a couple of negligible very small-scale maps

Contrary to original proposal, Landranger and Explorer rasters 
(1:25k/1:50k) will not be included.

Data available tomorrow (Thursday) at 
http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendata .

Licence will be "without restrictions on use and re-use". Original 
proposal was CC-BY. The response notes that several respondees (many of 
whom read this list, I suspect) suggested either pure PD or the ODC 
licences because of the database rights issue, but doesn't actually say 
what the licence will be.

I'm sure there are a few other things we'd have liked to have seen 
(aerial imagery, for example) but on balance this is a great result IMO 
- and one that wouldn't have happened without OSM.

Suggest follow-ups to talk-gb.

cheers
Richard

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