Re: [Talk-GB] UK Bike Shop dataset obtained: please merge in locations in your area

2010-10-12 Thread Chris Fleming 

 On 12/10/10 21:40, Craig Wallace wrote:

On 12/10/2010 20:49, Chris Fleming wrote:


Quick question on this what are poeple doing with this data in cases
where a shop is showing correctly in the list and is on the ground but
isn't really a bike shop?

The example I found is TISO:
http://shaunmcdonald.dev.openstreetmap.org/bike-shop-locator/shop/2549

Which is an outdoor shop, but you would be disappointed if you turned up
looking for an inner tube.


I presume that's on the list because that is where the Alpine Bikes 
head office is (Alpine Bikes are owned by Tiso). And presumably where 
their mail order service / warehouse is based.


So I think it should be marked as "not found on the ground", because 
there's no actual bike shop at that location. Plus add a note to 
explain this.
You could also tag it as something like office=bicycle, as suggested 
elsewhere in this thread.


I know that Alpine Bikes do have bike shops within Tiso shops in 
Glasgow and Inverness (which should be mapped as shop=bicycle), but I 
don't think that's the case in Leith.


I was just looking at the Tiso website and noticed they had a link to 
Alpine Bikes, so that makes sense. Interesting google maps incorrectly 
show an alpine bikes in that area.


I would tend to agree that there aren't bikes in that store, so I've 
added Tiso to the map in that location as an outdoor shop and marked as 
not found in this location.


Cheers
Chris


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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Bike Shop dataset obtained: please merge in locations in your area

2010-10-12 Thread Craig Wallace 

On 12/10/2010 20:49, Chris Fleming wrote:


Quick question on this what are poeple doing with this data in cases
where a shop is showing correctly in the list and is on the ground but
isn't really a bike shop?

The example I found is TISO:
http://shaunmcdonald.dev.openstreetmap.org/bike-shop-locator/shop/2549

Which is an outdoor shop, but you would be disappointed if you turned up
looking for an inner tube.


I presume that's on the list because that is where the Alpine Bikes head 
office is (Alpine Bikes are owned by Tiso). And presumably where their 
mail order service / warehouse is based.


So I think it should be marked as "not found on the ground", because 
there's no actual bike shop at that location. Plus add a note to explain 
this.
You could also tag it as something like office=bicycle, as suggested 
elsewhere in this thread.


I know that Alpine Bikes do have bike shops within Tiso shops in Glasgow 
and Inverness (which should be mapped as shop=bicycle), but I don't 
think that's the case in Leith.


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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Bike Shop dataset obtained: please merge in locations in your area

2010-10-12 Thread Chris Fleming 


Quick question on this what are poeple doing with this data in cases 
where a shop is showing correctly in the list and is on the ground but 
isn't really a bike shop?


The example I found is TISO:
http://shaunmcdonald.dev.openstreetmap.org/bike-shop-locator/shop/2549

Which is an outdoor shop, but you would be disappointed if you turned up 
looking for an inner tube.


Cheers
Chris


On 03/10/10 16:32, Shaun McDonald wrote:

On 25 Sep 2010, at 15:32, Andrew wrote:


Martin Lucas-Smith - CycleStreets  writes:


Andy Allan and Shaun McDonald have created a webapp for the specific
purpose of merging (manually) this data into OSM.

http://shaunmcdonald.dev.openstreetmap.org/bike-shop-locator/

Could you add a name search? Moving the map is clumsy.

It's on the todo list. At the moment you can search for cycle shop names using 
the full list, and the text search in your browser.


If we add a tag like network=Association of Cycle Traders to the shops, it
would be possible to highlight shops that disappear from future revisions of
this list that may have closed.

I don't know if we are going to be getting updates. It may be possible to get a 
separate list of shops that have been removed from the list, however I would 
recommend doing a ground survey to verify that the shop has closed, as it may 
just be that they are no longer a member of the Association of Cycle Traders. 
At this stage the tool will need to be made more advanced.


Is anyone pointing out to Halfords that other bicycle shops are going into OSM
and would they like to follow?

I'm not aware of anyone who has spoken to Halfords, however it wouldn't 
surprise me if they would charge for this information for use by various POI 
aggregation companies.

Shaun


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[Talk-GB] Naptan (was: 27,000 street lights in one council area)

2010-10-12 Thread SomeoneElse 

 On 12/10/2010 17:07, Andy Allan wrote:

Might I quietly suggest that until the Naptan import is finished (and
that more than 25% of the naptan stops appear in the right place),
that we leave any discussion of importing street lights off the table?

Is that still happening?  
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NaPTAN/Request_for_Import suggests 
it's about half-done, and there are a couple of places marked for 
imports that haven't happened yet.


(not that I'm particularly fussed about importing bus stops; just 
wondered what the story was)



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Re: [Talk-GB] Location of 27,000 street lights in one council area

2010-10-12 Thread Andy Allan 
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Peter Miller  wrote:

> So... Possibly someone could do the import again and even request lots more
> of the same. Possibly we need a serious 'operation lamppost' and then
> Frederik Ramm can have his openstreetlight project working well which he has
> dreamed about in the past.

Might I quietly suggest that until the Naptan import is finished (and
that more than 25% of the naptan stops appear in the right place),
that we leave any discussion of importing street lights off the table?

Thanks,
Andy

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Re: [Talk-GB] Location of 27,000 street lights in one council area

2010-10-12 Thread Peter Miller 
On 12 October 2010 14:32, Gregory Williams <
gregory.willi...@purplegeodesoftware.co.uk> wrote:

>  I wonder whether it may have been these ones in Norfolk:
>
>
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4631482
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4631508
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4631551
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4631742
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4632256
>
>
>
> By the looks of things they’ve since been removed from OSM.
>

Looks likely given the following on WhatDoTheyKnow.

"Dear Mr Chamberlain

"I can confirm that any permission to re-use the data would need to be
obtained from Ordnance Survey.

"As the data was collected using Ordnance Survey mapping, they would deem
it to be a derived dataset which would be governed under the rules of
the Mapping Services Agreement. That agreement covers use by ourselves
and a third party carrying out work on our behalf under a Contractor's
Agreement, but would not extend beyond this (e.g. it does not cover use
by someone who obtains the data under FOI).
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/street_light_locations_and_refer


However...

The OS has since removed any claims to such derived data. See Ed Parsons
blog:
"The real innovation “Free to use” terms, means that organisations licensing
data for business use, are able to infer the position or create new data
without restrictions as long as the new data is not a direct copy of
an existing feature in the OS product.
http://www.edparsons.com/2010/10/well-done-os-derived-rules-clarified/

So... Possibly someone could do the import again and even request lots more
of the same. Possibly we need a serious 'operation lamppost' and then
Frederik Ramm can have his openstreetlight project working well which he has
dreamed about in the past.


Regards,



Peter


>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Gregory
>
>
>
> *From:* talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:
> talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] *On Behalf Of *Peter Miller
> *Sent:* 12 October 2010 13:40
> *To:* Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* [Talk-GB] Location of 27,000 street lights in one council area
>
>
>
> Tom Steinberg from MySociety writes:
>
> "I was just talking to someone in a local council about the fact that
> they’d opened up the location of 27,000 streetlights in their council area.
> They wanted to know if FixMyStreet  could
> incorporate them so that problem reports could be more accurately attached.
> http://www.mysociety.org/2010/10/12/a-wish-list-for-geodata-on-fixmystreet/
>
> Does anyone fancy finding out where this is and organising an import?
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Peter
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Re: [Talk-GB] Location of 27,000 street lights in one council area

2010-10-12 Thread Gregory Williams 
I wonder whether it may have been these ones in Norfolk:

 

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4631482

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4631508

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4631551

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4631742

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4632256

 

By the looks of things they've since been removed from OSM.

 

Cheers,

 

Gregory

 

From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org
[mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Peter Miller
Sent: 12 October 2010 13:40
To: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-GB] Location of 27,000 street lights in one council area

 

Tom Steinberg from MySociety writes:

"I was just talking to someone in a local council about the fact that they'd
opened up the location of 27,000 streetlights in their council area. They
wanted to know if FixMyStreet   could incorporate
them so that problem reports could be more accurately attached.
http://www.mysociety.org/2010/10/12/a-wish-list-for-geodata-on-fixmystreet/

Does anyone fancy finding out where this is and organising an import?


Regards,


Peter

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[Talk-GB] Location of 27,000 street lights in one council area

2010-10-12 Thread Peter Miller 
Tom Steinberg from MySociety writes:

"I was just talking to someone in a local council about the fact that they’d
opened up the location of 27,000 streetlights in their council area. They
wanted to know if FixMyStreet  could incorporate
them so that problem reports could be more accurately attached.
http://www.mysociety.org/2010/10/12/a-wish-list-for-geodata-on-fixmystreet/

Does anyone fancy finding out where this is and organising an import?


Regards,


Peter
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[Talk-GB] Footpaths mapping party (Midhurst, W sussex) this Saturday, time and venue confirmed

2010-10-12 Thread Nick Whitelegg 

Just a quick update on the Midhurst area footpaths mapping party: it is now 
almost certain to go ahead, meet at the Old Town Hall Coffee House, Market 
Square, Midhurst, W Sussex map (12 miles north of Chichester on the A286) at 
9.45am this Saturday 16th. From the internet it looks like this venue is good 
but maybe busy, if it is we may move on, my mobile (nickw) is 07950 347717 so 
call if you are late and we're not there.

Please sign up on the wiki if you are interested.

Nick

>From the wiki page:

Introduction


This is a mapping party to introduce people to the subtleties of footpath 
mapping, fill a few gaps in a generally well-mapped area, and enjoy some nice 
countryside!

When


Saturday, 16/10/10

Plan


There are a few streets in the town that need doing, though the main emphasis 
will be on filling in the footpaths to the NE and SW of the town, gaps in a 
generally well-mapped area. This is an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty close 
to the South Downs, with an attractive rolling landscape of fields, woods and 
heaths, so worth coming for the scenery alone, never mind the mapping!

Schedule


* 0945 - 1030 approx Meet, discuss day
* 1030 - 1800 approx map, possibility of lunch depending on where people go
* 1800 onwards discuss day, drink, meal
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