Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Reminder: Hampton-in-Arden meet up this Thursday, Coventry next month.
On 30 April 2012 16:07, rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Just a quick reminder that the next social meet up for OSMers in the Midlands is this Thursday (3rd May, 2012) 8pm-ish to 10pm-ish at The White Lion, Hampton-in-Arden. Feel free to come early and get some mapping done before meeting in the pub (you can indicate this at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hampton-in-Arden_May_2012_Cake). I'm going to try to make it along tomorrow. This will be my first time meeting fellow OSMers in person after nearly 6 years of mapping. I won't have any time for mapping beforehand but I should be there for drinks. Matt ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Davenports plaque
Visited the Maltings today looking for the plaque - and it's not there! Had a long chat with the receptionist and security guard: it was taken down immediately after the press ceremony and they've yet to decide where to put it. It's not a blue plaque but is financed and organised by Davenports Brewery. It consisted of a plate mounted on a wooden pole sunk into a barrel of earth planted with flowers. Perfect for being nicked,moved, and generally vandalised which is why they're coming up with a more secure solution. I have a contact in Marketing in UCB and I'll find out when it's due to finally sited. Regards Brian On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: A new plaque to find: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-17842804 Note that it is of course in Bath Row not Bath Road as the BBC report! Cheers Andy ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-GB] UK Rights of Way - WikiProject
In view of recent interest in UK rights of way, should we set up a wiki project, possibly at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom/RightsOfWay It would seem to be a good addition to the current UK projects. Current Projects Mapping of this country has been split into a number of key projects, as well as being included in a number of UK projects. - UK Mapping Prioritieshttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Mapping_Priorities (larger urban areas with low levels of mapping) - UK A Roadshttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_A_Roads - UK Motorwayshttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_Motorways - UK Boundarieshttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom/Boundaries (Administrative boundaries) - UK Postcodeshttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_UK_Postcodes A project to map the postcodes in the UK - UK National Parks and AONBshttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_National_Parks - UK Railwayshttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_Railways - UK Waterwayshttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_Waterways - UK National Cycle Networkhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_National_Cycle_Network (National and regional routes) - UK Long-distance footpathshttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_Long_Distance_Paths from.. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/England Peter ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Rights of Way - WikiProject
Peter Rounce wrote: In view of recent interest in UK rights of way, should we set up a wiki project, possibly at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom/RightsOfWay If you do that what would be helpful would be to include some reference to the other wiki pages that already contain England and Wales rights of way info and explain why this one is different. I get confused every time I venture in there. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Rights of Way - WikiProject
On 02/05/12 12:38, Peter Rounce wrote:
In view of recent interest in UK rights of way, should we set up a wiki
project, possibly at:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom/RightsOfWay
It would seem to be a good addition to the current UK projects.
Are you planning to organise this? Thanks!
One caveat re the organisation. There's no such thing as a UK right of
way. There are Scottish ones, NI ones, and England-and-Wales ones; all
somewhat different. Do you intend to cover them all?
Since long-distance footpaths and Sustrans paths have their own
projects, perhaps the high-level multi-country/county networks are
already spoken for. Still, I've no objection to an umbrella UK-wide
group for PRoWs of all kinds, provided someone states what the general
goals of the project should be, and how its existence would contribute
to the map database.
One project goal might be to consolidate the various scattered
information on the wiki describing how to map RoWs in the first place.
Come up with *one* consensus approach. We seem to be settling on
designation=* + highway={foot,cycle,bridle}way, by the looks of it (full
disclosure; it's the approach I'm cheerleading).
We could certainly do with more research and write-ups of RoWs for each
of the four countries. Classification work, photos of the sorts of
signage and paths a mapper might encounter. Everything right now is
*very* England-centric, and this ought to be addressed and organised in
terms of practical activities (go out and get me better pictures,
somebody research what a West Hebridean surrey-with-a-fringe-on-topway
is, please).
It would be good to write up how mappers should and should not use old,
OOC sources like NPE to enter rights of way - which didn't exist at
the time, but the NPE and other OS publications probably were used as
the first definitive maps for drawing them up. FWIW, I'm suggesting
highway=path and *nothing more specific* for an NPE bridleway or track
or path, provided Bing concurs. Also strongly suggest encouraging
users to get out and map them properly (... hippy ...), acknowledging
the limitations of armchair mapping.
But fundamentally, OSM is about the database and not its wiki. Is there
anything that can be done to coordinate while encouraging people to get
out and map missing or bad data systematically? Mapping parties,
meetups, for example. If yes, then the project page is probably a good
idea. If no, it's just more wikifiddling and probably a waste of time in
the long run. We already have people working on documentation
improvement, and from experience it's *horribly* easy to get hung up on
RoW nonsense without getting anything useful done...
--
Andrew Chadwick
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[Talk-GB] Do you run/attend a regular meet-up?
Hi All, Based on my experience with OSM, I have spent the rainy days of April improving the wiki. I've tried to redesign [1] as the main hub for mapping efforts and members in the UK. Yesterday, I started to add more of a community element to this page in the form of a grid of main mapping meet-up groups (hyperlinks will be added when I have time to sit down and add them). If you run or attend a regular meet-up please let me know so that I can add it to the list. Can I also encourage groups to update their respective wiki pages. Cheers, Rob [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Tagging Guideline - wiki page proposals
On 20/04/12 23:17, rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: (iv) Scotland - Now has a separate section ready to be filled in. Not just Scotland, but Northern Ireland, Wales and England. I think you need to lift the differences between the countries out of the Rights of Way section, because the difference between the countries are more fundamental than legal path designations and what you can do on public access land. IMO it would make more sense to document the stuff that's common to all countries, like motorway numbering schemes and cycle track types on the main page, and make sub-pages or separate pages for each individual country. I've summarised what I think the differences are on the talk page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:United_Kingdom_Tagging_Guidelines_Consultation#Each_country_should_have_its_own_sub-page - let me know what you think, or if I've missed everything. (Yes, this would have the effect of moving all the historical guff about detailed tags for RoWs to the sub-pages because each of the jurisdictions has a slightly different set of them. That's not necessarily a bad thing given how they can take over discussions.) -- Andrew Chadwick ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Designation: should we begin using prefixes
designation=* has been evolving recently, and has added some open land classifications: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:designation#UK_Protected_Areas With the proliferation of these designation codes, would it make sense to begin coming up with country- or jurisdiction-coded prefixes for them, similar to the way we denote national speed limits? -- Andrew Chadwick ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Designation: should we begin using prefixes
On 02/05/12 16:29, Andrew Chadwick wrote: designation=* has been evolving recently, and has added some open land classifications: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:designation#UK_Protected_Areas With the proliferation of these designation codes, would it make sense to begin coming up with country- or jurisdiction-coded prefixes for them, similar to the way we denote national speed limits? Not really, if the tag is in the UK (or, say, England if that makes a difference) it is understandable that it is not anywhere else in the world. It is a location-oriented database after all. The UK prefix on speed limit tags is bonkers. -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Rights of Way - WikiProject
One project goal might be to consolidate the various scattered
information on the wiki describing how to map RoWs in the first place.
Come up with *one* consensus approach. We seem to be settling on
designation=* + highway={foot,cycle,bridle}way, by the looks of it (full
disclosure; it's the approach I'm cheerleading).
Contentious point :-) Many, myself included, prefer the
highway=service|track|path|unclassified plus designation=whatever.
This way neatly separates out the physical characteristics of the way and its
rights, and allows multi-layer rendering such as
that done on Freemap.
I do admit to using highway=bridleway as well, but purely to tag for the
renderer and make bridleways appear in a different
colour on the main Mapnik renderer.
Nick
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[Talk-GB] Have you contacted a UK local authority in regards to Rights of Way?
The second of a few emails from me today (apologies)! As part of the Public Rights of Way work I have added a table of all the English surveying authorities responsible for maintaining the Definitive Map and Statement, to the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_local_councils Please use this table to add details on council map services (free or otherwise - there are clear copyright warnings on this wiki page), and also email here if you have previously contacted a council in regards to releasing the Def Statement under the OGL licence. I will then work through all remaining councils over the coming months. Cheers, Rob ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] UK rights of way tagging guidelines page.
The third (and hopefully final) email from me today! 1) Thanks for the feedback on the tagging guidelines page. Lots of good things and ideas (especially expanding to include more than just England), for me to work on for the next iteration of this wiki page. 2) In regards to the idea for a Rights of Way wikiproject page: - I have added a list of councils to the wiki page (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_local_councils) for England and there are some links to Def statements/maps - (c) warning: non free! - I am not sure at the moment how a specific rights of way wiki page would help (unlike other wiki projects how would we be able to check whether the map is 100% complete unless we can get Def statements from local councils - Open to suggestions on how to do this (would have to deal with the 3 pages - UK Local Councils, Tagging Guidelines, and the new wikiproject page). I suggest starting with a recommended a list of headings first before creating a new wiki page. Cheers, Rob ps Help in regards to Scotland, NI and Wales would be much appreciated. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Have you contacted a UK local authority in regards to Rights of Way?
On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 16:22 +, rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: The second of a few emails from me today (apologies)! As part of the Public Rights of Way work I have added a table of all the English surveying authorities responsible for maintaining the Definitive Map and Statement, to the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_local_councils Please use this table to add details on council map services (free or otherwise - there are clear copyright warnings on this wiki page), and also email here if you have previously contacted a council in regards to releasing the Def Statement under the OGL licence. I will then work through all remaining councils over the coming months. I contacted Hampshire County Council last week but haven't had a response yet. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
