[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Redaction complete for west mids

2012-07-15 Thread Andy Robinson
Folks,

The redaction bot finally completed its run across our patch which means
that you may find some Ways without tags and the odd untagged Node here and
there etc. Worth looking over the maps carefully in case there are any major
issues to look at.

There was a problem redacting some ways within the West Coast Main Line
relation so I'd steer clear of that unless unavoidable until they work out
what the issue is.

Cheers
Andy


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[Talk-GB] Strange Routing Error

2012-07-15 Thread Philip Barnes
I am trying to fix a routing problem, that I found whilst investigating
an error was reported in mapdust.

It is a strange one and has me totally baffled, so hoping someone here
can help.  

A simple U-Turn around a roundabout, adds a detour along Llangollen
Road, to then use Tower Hill to turn around and come back to the
Roundabout. Dragging the start point around the roundabout does
eventually work once you have passed the first exit.
http://map.project-osrm.org/Uv

Using the same finish point, but moving the start to the A483 exit slip
road has another strange result. There are no obvious turn restrictions,
as they are all possible, with different finish points. 
http://map.project-osrm.org/Uz

I am assuming it is more than a problem with OSRM. Otherwise I guess the
only option is just to re-survey, delete and redraw the area.

Thanks Phil


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Re: [Talk-GB] Strange Routing Error

2012-07-15 Thread Tom Chance
On 15 July 2012 10:46, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote:

 I am trying to fix a routing problem, that I found whilst investigating
 an error was reported in mapdust.
 [...]
 I am assuming it is more than a problem with OSRM. Otherwise I guess the
 only option is just to re-survey, delete and redraw the area.


If it helps, CloudMade doesn't seem to have this problem:
http://maps.cloudmade.com/?lat=52.984191lng=-3.045294zoom=17directions=52.9844102955179,-3.045262098312378,52.9845653137809,-3.0453908443450928travel=carstyleId=1opened_tab=1

Nor does Mapquest:
http://mapq.st/LpyFSJ

Tom


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Re: [Talk-GB] Strange Routing Error

2012-07-15 Thread Colin Smale
I noticed there are a number of roundabouts in the area without an 
explicit oneway=yes, and a couple of slip roads and part of the New High 
Street were also missing oneway=yes. This may be a contributing factor 
so I fixed what I found. Don't know how long it will take OSRM to get 
the updates into the routing network though.


Colin

On 15/07/2012 11:46, Philip Barnes wrote:

I am trying to fix a routing problem, that I found whilst investigating
an error was reported in mapdust.

It is a strange one and has me totally baffled, so hoping someone here
can help.

A simple U-Turn around a roundabout, adds a detour along Llangollen
Road, to then use Tower Hill to turn around and come back to the
Roundabout. Dragging the start point around the roundabout does
eventually work once you have passed the first exit.
http://map.project-osrm.org/Uv

Using the same finish point, but moving the start to the A483 exit slip
road has another strange result. There are no obvious turn restrictions,
as they are all possible, with different finish points.
http://map.project-osrm.org/Uz

I am assuming it is more than a problem with OSRM. Otherwise I guess the
only option is just to re-survey, delete and redraw the area.

Thanks Phil


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Re: [Talk-GB] Strange Routing Error

2012-07-15 Thread Robert Scott
On Sunday 15 July 2012, Tom Chance wrote:
 On 15 July 2012 10:46, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote:
 
  I am trying to fix a routing problem, that I found whilst investigating
  an error was reported in mapdust.
  [...]
  I am assuming it is more than a problem with OSRM. Otherwise I guess the
  only option is just to re-survey, delete and redraw the area.
 
 
 If it helps, CloudMade doesn't seem to have this problem:
 http://maps.cloudmade.com/?lat=52.984191lng=-3.045294zoom=17directions=52.9844102955179,-3.045262098312378,52.9845653137809,-3.0453908443450928travel=carstyleId=1opened_tab=1
 
 Nor does Mapquest:
 http://mapq.st/LpyFSJ

If you suspect it may be a problem with OSRM, (and you're so inclined), it's 
quite simple to set up your own little OSRM instance on a small .osm extract of 
the area:

https://github.com/DennisOSRM/Project-OSRM/wiki/Running-OSRM

From where you can then start tweaking the .osm as desired until you pin down 
exactly what is causing this.


robert.

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[Talk-GB] Redaction progress

2012-07-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
[posted to talk-gb@, announce@ and talk@; please choose follow-ups 
carefully; please also translate and forward to your local mailing list 
if relevant]


The redaction bot has started on the 'Western Europe' area. Because 
continents are annoyingly not shaped like rectangles, this inevitably 
includes some overlap with North Africa etc. The UK is finishing off as 
we speak.


You can monitor its current location at a site set up by Harry:

http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/license-change/botprocessing.php

As you'll see, the internal checks of the bot and the API occasionally 
throw up errors which cause a region (1 degree square) not to be fully 
processed. The coders working on the bot are tracking these failures 
down and fixing them as we go: if you'd like to help or find out more, 
they're in #osm-dev on IRC (irc.oftc.net). When a failure is fixed then 
the bot is rerun for that area.


cheers
Richard


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Re: [Talk-GB] Redaction progress

2012-07-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andrew wrote:
 Has redaction failed in London and Surrey? I was hoping to clean up
 afterwards.

Failed first time round but is now being re-run. Keep an eye on Harry's site
and it should let you know when things are ready.

cheers
Richard



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[Talk-GB] Lambeth council opens up

2012-07-15 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi All,

Good news on the local council front. Lambeth council is looking to open up
all (excluding confidential data) the data they hold [1]. This is fantastic
news and somthing other councils should try to follow. They know that this
will be a big task so are looking for people to send in requests so that
they can prioritise which data gets released first.

As they are an Inner London council, they are not required to hold data on
public rights of way. However, a quick look on their site indicates that
they already have some location data available under the free Open
Government Licence [2]. Looks like a mashup map has been produced [3] and
blogged about [4].

As always Import into OSM should be handled with care. In this case I would
expect some/much (?) of the data to already exist in OSM and therefore we
could use Lambeth's data as a tool to check if we have anything missing
before completing a ground survey to confirm the details.

Regards,
RobJN

p.s. Thanks to Andrew for bringing this to my attention on his blog
http://take21.org/blog/

[1]
http://www.guardian.co.uk/government-computing-network/2012/jul/11/lambeth-council-open-data-pledge
[2]
http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/Services/CouncilDemocracy/DataProtectionFOI/OpenData.htm?sp=opendata
[3] http://goodfornothing.com/gigs/lambeth/maps/
[4] http://lambethopendata.wordpress.com/open-data-discussion/
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Re: [Talk-GB] Strange Routing Error

2012-07-15 Thread Martin - CycleStreets



On Sun, 15 Jul 2012, Tom Chance wrote:


On 15 July 2012 10:46, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote:
  I am trying to fix a routing problem, that I found whilst investigating
  an error was reported in mapdust.
  [...]
  I am assuming it is more than a problem with OSRM. Otherwise I guess the
  only option is just to re-survey, delete and redraw the area.


If it helps, CloudMade doesn't seem to have this problem:
http://maps.cloudmade.com/?lat=52.984191lng=-3.045294zoom=17directions=52.9844102955179,-3.045262098312378,52.9845
653137809,-3.0453908443450928travel=carstyleId=1opened_tab=1

Nor does Mapquest:
http://mapq.st/LpyFSJ


Nor CycleStreets, incidentally:
http://www.cyclestreets.net/journey/2878501/

using an import dated Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:33:15.


Martin, **  CycleStreets - For Cyclists, By Cyclists
Developer, CycleStreets **  http://www.cyclestreets.net/


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Re: [Talk-GB] Google Maps using Sustrans Cycling data

2012-07-15 Thread Martin - CycleStreets



On Fri, 13 Jul 2012, ASnail Snail wrote:


Where I work in Bristol, there are quite a lot of cycle lanes not referenced on 
the Sustrans/Google map and not in
OSM.  So, I added some in last night following the suggestions on the
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cycleway page.  So far so good.  What is the 
best way to check the changes are
working correctly?  Normally I just view the standard OSM map about half an 
hour after I upload the changes and I can
see new paths or roads etc, but something as subtle as a bike lane that goes in 
the opposite way along an existing one
way road isn't shown.  Will the cycle map when it next gets updated (which I 
gather can be a while) show the
changes?  Are there other ways other than the cycle map and viewing the 
attributes of the road to view the changes?


CycleStreets updates from OSM data every few days. The last import is dated 
Wed, 11 Jul 2012. (We're a little delayed at the moment due to holidays, 
testing some international stuff, and because of caution in relation to the 
redaction.)


We've added quite a bit of support for more advanced routing attributes, so 
hopefully our engine will be a good testing-ground:

http://www.cyclestreets.net/blog/2012/05/20/more-osm-tags-supported/

I'd strongly encourage you to get involved in the England Cycling Data 
project if you can:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/England_Cycling_Data_project
as things brings quite a bit of cycling infrastructure into OSM if people 
can spend a little time merging their city.


Just follow this link and click on the first button to enter editing for 
Bristol:

http://bristol.cyclestreets.net/edit/locate/


Martin, **  CycleStreets - For Cyclists, By Cyclists
Developer, CycleStreets **  http://www.cyclestreets.net/
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[Talk-GB] OSM sighting on ferry

2012-07-15 Thread Greg Auger
Whilst on the (Southampton - Isle of Wight) Red Funnel car ferry
today, there was a series of slideshow pictures on a TV screen. One of
them included a properly attributed OSM map!

It wasn't a customised rendering - it was certainly familiar to me. I
don't think it was the slippy mapnik map, but I could be wrong.

Greg

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