Re: [Talk-GB] Google Maps using Sustrans Cycling data

2012-07-23 Thread Dave F.

Hi

A_snail, please be aware that the relevant NCN 4 data is already stored 
within the relation  so there it no need to duplicate data as you are 
currently doing - it saves time  reduces confusion.


I've already contacted you via the website but you failed to respond  
continued to add erroneous data.


Thanks
Dave F.

On 13/07/2012 13:37, ASnail Snail wrote:

Hi
I've read some of the comments on this thread and done a bit of 
comparing reality with the Sustrans routes on Google and whats in OSM.
Where I work in Bristol, there are quite a lot of cycle lanes 
not referenced on the Sustrans/Google map and not in OSM.  So, I added 
some in last night following the suggestions on the 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cycleway page. So far so good.  
What is the best way to check the changes are working correctly?  
Normally I just view the standard OSM map about half an hour after 
I upload the changes and I can see new paths or roads etc, but 
something as subtle as a bike lane that goes in the opposite way along 
an existing one way road isn't shown.  Will the cycle map when it next 
gets updated (which I gather can be a while) show the changes?  Are 
there other ways other than the cycle map and viewing the attributes 
of the road to view the changes?


Thanks


 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 01:14:41 -0700
 From: gra...@dalmuti.net
 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Google Maps using Sustrans Cycling data


 Graham Jones-2 wrote
 
  Sounds like I had better go for a bike ride Up North then. I 
thought it
  NCN14 was complete all the way to Newcastle, so I will ride it one 
weekend

  once summer arrives..
 

 You'd be very welcome. :)
 It's not unusable, just a little patchy. You can see on OpenCycleMap 
that it
 NCN14 stops completely at the Millennium Bridge and only continues 
at the

 Tyne Tunnel:
 http://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=15lat=54.9684lon=-1.59729layers=B00

 ---

 By the way Richard Mann responded to this thread too, but forgot to CC
 talk-gb, he said:


 Richard Mann wrote
 
  I have a higher-level contact, and will ask.
 
  Richard
 


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Re: [Talk-GB] Google Maps using Sustrans Cycling data

2012-07-23 Thread SomeoneElse

On 23/07/2012 11:47, Dave F. wrote:

NCN 4 data is already stored within the relation


And (for the benefit of the tiny minority who may be unaware) is 
displayed nicely here:


http://cycling.lonvia.de/en/?zoom=14lat=51.45923lon=-2.60028

Cheers,
Andy

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Re: [Talk-GB] Google Maps using Sustrans Cycling data

2012-07-23 Thread Dave F.

On 23/07/2012 13:00, SomeoneElse wrote:

On 23/07/2012 11:47, Dave F. wrote:

NCN 4 data is already stored within the relation


And (for the benefit of the tiny minority who may be unaware) is 
displayed nicely here:


http://cycling.lonvia.de/en/?zoom=14lat=51.45923lon=-2.60028



Nice. Does that read just the relation data? In Bristol users have been 
tagging links to NCN 4 (signposted on the ground with the number in 
brackets) with the ncnref tag.


This just adds confusion when displayed on the maps. We need a way to 
distinguish links from the actual routes.


Cheers
Dave F.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Google Maps using Sustrans Cycling data

2012-07-23 Thread Graham Stewart (GrahamS)

Dave F. wrote
 In Bristol users have been tagging links to NCN 4 (signposted on the
 ground with the number in brackets) with the ncnref tag.
 
 This just adds confusion when displayed on the maps. We need a way to 
 distinguish links from the actual routes.

In the recent thread about the Dft England Cycling Data it was suggested
that signed link routes could be added with the ref in brackets, as it
/should/ appear on the signs: 
e.g. *ncn_ref=(4)* on ways, or *ref=(4)* on any link routes large enough to
warrant a relation.

See
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/England-Cycling-Data-project-DfT-cycling-data-now-available-for-merging-tp5713108.html
for the discussion.



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Re: [Talk-GB] Google Maps using Sustrans Cycling data

2012-07-23 Thread SomeoneElse

On 23/07/2012 13:31, Dave F. wrote:

On 23/07/2012 13:00, SomeoneElse wrote:



http://cycling.lonvia.de/en/?zoom=14lat=51.45923lon=-2.60028



Nice. Does that read just the relation data?


There's an about this map link at the bottom right that explains what 
it's using, that points to:


http://cycling.lonvia.de/en/help/about

Obviously that's just one use of the data.  I think that the official 
UK tagging guideline is here:


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cycle_routes#United_Kingdom

but I'm not actually a cyclist - I just stumble across these brown and 
orange signs when out walking!


Cheers,
Andy



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