Re: [Talk-GB] Natural England Data

[Dudley Ibbett]

Never easy.  As requested I have registered a basic complaint about OS and 
Natural England data.  I must admit I don't comprehend all the issues.

I don't intend to import any of this information but am just looking for 
something I can use to draw areas on OSM if necessary.  I suspect that Ancient 
Woods for example are already in OSM but may not have tags to mark them as 
such.A quick search on wood  ancient in taginfo hasn't found anything.

I take the previous comment about the problems associated with tagging landuse 
etc.Ancient Woods, I am told are non-statutory designations.  I am 
wondering whether a similar tagging scheme to the one that has been developed 
for public rights of way could be used.  i.e. natural=wood, 
designation=ancient_wood  I guess one question might be, would it be a good 
idea to distinguish between statutory and non-statutory designations?

Regards

Dudley



Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 23:15:48 +0100
From: rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Natural England Data

Urrgg.. It was [0] that all Natural England open datasets (with the exception 
of Local Nature Reserves), were plain OGL licensed and could therefore be used. 
Looking again, it seems like NE have now added that annoying line at the top of 
the OGL licence that seems be be raising a few eyebrows:


The same attribution statements must be contained in any sub-licences of the 
Information that you grant, together with a requirement that any further 
sub-licences do the same.

This must be due to the Ordnance Survey as Natural England have not added this 
line to the NE non-GIS OGL licence [1]. Frustratingly this is a matter of much 
debate and is (hopefully) being addressed by both Office of Public Sector 
Information (the OS's regulator) and the Open Data User Group - slow progress 
I'm afraid.


I would recommend checking for the individual licence included within each 
dataset's zip folder. If it's standard OGL then I say go for it :-) As with any 
external dataset, a straight import should be discussed on the mailing list 
first. You should also note that not all of the data is appropriate to OSM.


Rob

[0] 
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20120404182221/http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/copyright/

[1] 
http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/Images/open-government-licence-NE_tcm6-30744.pdf

p.s Please also register your concerns with the Office of Public Sector 
Information. Use the magic words I wish to raise a formal complaint against 
Ordnance Survey as this will ensure that your comments get logged and included 
in any stats OPSI can reference when leaning on the OS.



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Re: [Talk-GB] Natural England Data

[Rob Nickerson]

I guess one question might be, would it be a good idea to distinguish
between statutory and non-statutory designations?

The simpler the tagging, and the easier it is to explain, the more likely
it will be used as you intend. So, although this may be a good idea, it
would need some supporting text on the wiki (I get easily confused when we
get on to legal lingo). But, the first question is really what does it add
to OSM that a well defined list of designation=* tags doesn't.

Rob

p.s. Try asking NE for a list of Ancient Woodlands, rather than a
shapefile. This way it should only include NE data and not OS data. As long
as you can match the list up with locations (using bing aerial and OS
StreetView might help) you can then look at adding the tags to OSM. You can
also check against the shapefiles to determine the level of accuracy of
this method.
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