Re: [Talk-GB] Fwd: [Talk-scotland] Shetland-Orkney ferry and NCN 1
I have been on the Aberdeen Kirkwall Lerwick ferry (a couple of years ago), and have added a rough route for it to the map. Pretty sure the Kirkwall-Sumburgh ferry is incorrect (although NCN1 does go to Sumburgh IIRC), but have not deleted the ferry route from the map. Anyone else have any more recent knowledge of this ferry? I would agree with Richard's original point, that possibly best not to have an incorrect ferry on the map, especially when there is no information about it online. Also OS Opendata SteetView shows the Shetland Sumburgh/Grutness ferry terminal to be foot only, but the OSM ferry route added by MasiMaster has motorcar=yes. Has anyone tried contacting MasiMaster about this? Regards, Donald On 26 March 2014 18:18, Shaun McDonald wrote: > Here's some info from someone who used to live on Shetland and has visited > recently, and is an OSM mapper who isn't on the list. > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: John Robert Peterson > Subject: Re: [Talk-scotland] Shetland-Orkney ferry and NCN 1 > Date: 26 March 2014 18:00:17 GMT > To: Shaun McDonald > > I'm pretty sure there are issues with ferries around orkney too, last time I > checked, there are 2 ferries that link Orkney to the mainland, and one goes > to aberdeen. > > I sugest someone with proper cycling experience does a proper audit of edits > done by the user in question in the area on the offchance that there is a > pattern. > > JR > > > On 26 March 2014 17:55, John Robert Peterson wrote: >> >> unless there have been some very significant, and budgetarilly unlikely, >> changes, there is a ferry from sumburgh to fairisle, but it goes no further. >> >> There is however a proper big ferry that goes from Lerwick to Aberdeen >> with a stop off every second night in Orkney. >> >> I've been in Orkney many times, but only ever in the middle of the night >> while trying to sleep, a bunch of blokes trying down cargo with remarkably >> noisy equipment. so I can't comment on the Orkney side. >> >> >> On 26 March 2014 17:20, Shaun McDonald wrote: >>> >>> Dunno if you know the answer to this? >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>> > From: Richard Fairhurst >>> > Subject: [Talk-scotland] Shetland-Orkney ferry and NCN 1 >>> > Date: 26 March 2014 17:19:25 GMT >>> > To: talk-scotl...@openstreetmap.org >>> > >>> > Hello Scotland, >>> > >>> > Someone has pointed out that OSM currently has NCN 1 going by ferry to >>> > Grutness/Sumburgh: >>> > >>> > http://cycle.travel/map?lat=59.8714&lon=-1.2772&zoom=13 >>> > http://opencyclemap.org/?zoom=11&lat=59.8689&lon=-1.27559&layers=B000 >>> > >>> > whereas the ferries actually go to Lerwick. >>> > >>> > P2 tells me that the way in question was created by a German mapper >>> > last summer. I can't see any information anywhere about a >>> > Kirkwall-Grutness >>> > ferry, but then I've never been north of John O'Groats! >>> > >>> > Could someone with local knowledge correct/amend as applicable? Better >>> > to have this section of NCN 1 missing than send people on a non-existent >>> > ferry, I think. >>> > >>> > cheers >>> > Richard >>> > >>> > ___ >>> > Talk-scotland mailing list >>> > talk-scotl...@openstreetmap.org >>> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-scotland >>> > >>> >> > > > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > -- Donald Noble http://drnoble.co.uk - http://flickr.com/photos/drnoble ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Fwd: [Talk-scotland] Shetland-Orkney ferry and NCN 1
Here’s some info from someone who used to live on Shetland and has visited recently, and is an OSM mapper who isn’t on the list. Begin forwarded message: > From: John Robert Peterson > Subject: Re: [Talk-scotland] Shetland-Orkney ferry and NCN 1 > Date: 26 March 2014 18:00:17 GMT > To: Shaun McDonald > > I'm pretty sure there are issues with ferries around orkney too, last time I > checked, there are 2 ferries that link Orkney to the mainland, and one goes > to aberdeen. > > I sugest someone with proper cycling experience does a proper audit of edits > done by the user in question in the area on the offchance that there is a > pattern. > > JR > > > On 26 March 2014 17:55, John Robert Peterson wrote: > unless there have been some very significant, and budgetarilly unlikely, > changes, there is a ferry from sumburgh to fairisle, but it goes no further. > > There is however a proper big ferry that goes from Lerwick to Aberdeen with a > stop off every second night in Orkney. > > I've been in Orkney many times, but only ever in the middle of the night > while trying to sleep, a bunch of blokes trying down cargo with remarkably > noisy equipment. so I can't comment on the Orkney side. > > > On 26 March 2014 17:20, Shaun McDonald wrote: > Dunno if you know the answer to this? > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Richard Fairhurst > > Subject: [Talk-scotland] Shetland-Orkney ferry and NCN 1 > > Date: 26 March 2014 17:19:25 GMT > > To: talk-scotl...@openstreetmap.org > > > > Hello Scotland, > > > > Someone has pointed out that OSM currently has NCN 1 going by ferry to > > Grutness/Sumburgh: > > > > http://cycle.travel/map?lat=59.8714&lon=-1.2772&zoom=13 > > http://opencyclemap.org/?zoom=11&lat=59.8689&lon=-1.27559&layers=B000 > > > > whereas the ferries actually go to Lerwick. > > > > P2 tells me that the way in question was created by a German mapper last > > summer. I can't see any information anywhere about a Kirkwall-Grutness > > ferry, but then I've never been north of John O'Groats! > > > > Could someone with local knowledge correct/amend as applicable? Better to > > have this section of NCN 1 missing than send people on a non-existent > > ferry, I think. > > > > cheers > > Richard > > > > ___ > > Talk-scotland mailing list > > talk-scotl...@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-scotland > > > > > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Physical objects from OSM's history
Hi, On 03/26/2014 05:01 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: >I've been contacted by someone from the German Museum of Technology > in Berlin (http://www.sdtb.de/English.122.0.html). Better Link http://www.sdtb.de/Home.623.0.html Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Physical objects from OSM's history
Hi, I've been contacted by someone from the German Museum of Technology in Berlin (http://www.sdtb.de/English.122.0.html). They're doing an exhibition about networked technology, and within that they're also highlighting GPS and its use in collaborative projects. They'd like to feature OpenStreetMap too, by showing a few artefacts from OSM's history - to maybe help convey the spirit of OSM (not necessarily *early* OSM but of course it's always nice to be able to say "this is how it started"). If you are holding on to some physical object that could be used for this purpose - maybe a worn GPS device, a notebook full of survey notes, a "pie chart" or other memorabilia from a mapping party, a stack of "walking papers" - and if you're willing to loan it to the museum, take a picture of whatever it is and email Ms Eva Kudrass (kudr...@sdtb.de) at the museum. If not obvious from the photo, also include the appox. dimensions of the object in your message. She will then get back to you about whether or not that particular object is suitable - of course they'll not want 50 notebooks in the end but only one or two. Ms Kudrass is also happy to answer questions about the exhibition. Cheers Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] One for Post Box obsessives
> >- Around Maidenhead a wall post box mounted in a brick pillar is a >fairly common type. I'm at a loss as to how these might be tagged using >post_box:type. A good example is SL6 4, which is tagged as a pillar, but >according to Post Hoc is a wall box >http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postboxes/boxinfo.cgi?ref=SL6+4. See >this box on Flickr >http://www.flickr.com/photos/oxfordshirechurches/2558826678/ > > They're wall boxes but have had a brick post built for the purpose of hosing them, right? Maybe map the post as a short wall then! With a central node for the post box. I suppose the question is how would someone find these types of posts/post boxes, and having to search post_box:type=wall get ways that node is in see if way is barrier=wall check length of wall is less than 3m, is a bit too harsh. But I think you're needing to describe the housing not the postbox. Is a really generic key like site_type=purpose_built or site_type=brick_post the right idea? -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Not all Notes are Equal
Brian Prangle wrote: ... BUT …. now all the extant OpenStreetBugs Notes have migrated over , some of which are YEARS old, it’s all getting a bit crowded and hard to differentiate new notes. Most of the migrated notes (such as e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/110664 ) presumably "just" need a ground survey - so I guess that's the easiest way to reduce "note congestion"! ... So I have a proposal whereby notes are differentiated by age, gradually fading in colour as they age until they turn white , (much like us really!) So for example new notes get a bright colour on the day they’re created, then fade at week, month, 3 month, 6 month old until they become white after a year. I’m sure that to those who code such things this is not a major task It's an interesting idea, but if that was done on the main osm.org website I'd imagine that it would get a bit confusing, like the "multicolour GPS traces" in iD that sound like a good idea if you're a web developer, but I find mostly unusable within iD (compared to Potlatch's approach), although the underlying GPS tile layer is useful if you're out and about and trying to work out whether there are already traces for X or Y footpath. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Not all Notes are Equal
Hi Brian It sounds a good idea, it would be useful to be able to filter notes by age too. When notes are added, a message does appear in the gb irc channel, where they can be looked at by somebody, but the fading sounds a nice idea. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 26/03/2014 9:15 Brian Prangle wrote: The Notes feature available on the OSM home page is a great way to encourage non-mappers to add comments and point our errors and omissions (it’s also a great method for mappers too!) BUT …. now all the extant OpenStreetBugs Notes have migrated over , some of which are YEARS old, it’s all getting a bit crowded and hard to differentiate new notes. I like to view new notes and try to encourage those who have added them to add more by either amending the map where it’s obvious what’s needed or I know the area; doing a ground survey if it’s close or adding a comment where the note is not clear. The encouragement only works if the note is acted on quickly. So I have a proposal whereby notes are differentiated by age, gradually fading in colour as they age until they turn white , (much like us really!) So for example new notes get a bright colour on the day they’re created, then fade at week, month, 3 month, 6 month old until they become white after a year. I’m sure that to those who code such things this is not a major task regards Brian ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Not all Notes are Equal
The Notes feature available on the OSM home page is a great way to encourage non-mappers to add comments and point our errors and omissions (it's also a great method for mappers too!) BUT now all the extant OpenStreetBugs Notes have migrated over , some of which are YEARS old, it's all getting a bit crowded and hard to differentiate new notes. I like to view new notes and try to encourage those who have added them to add more by either amending the map where it's obvious what's needed or I know the area; doing a ground survey if it's close or adding a comment where the note is not clear. The encouragement only works if the note is acted on quickly. So I have a proposal whereby notes are differentiated by age, gradually fading in colour as they age until they turn white , (much like us really!) So for example new notes get a bright colour on the day they're created, then fade at week, month, 3 month, 6 month old until they become white after a year. I'm sure that to those who code such things this is not a major task regards Brian ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
