[Talk-GB] OSM map used to show solar energy

[Ben Pollinger]

Hello all,

I stumbled across an OSM map usage here:
http://www.rensmart.com/Weather/PVGISSolar

An overlay map shows the amount of energy arriving from the sun on an
average day.

The page above uses Google Maps but you can buy a more detailed PDF map for
your location which uses OSM/mapnik, eg:
http://www.rensmart.com/Orders/CustomPVGISSolarMap/Example-Custom-PVGIS-Solar-Map.pdf

Regards,
Ben
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK use of highway=living_street

[Richard Mann]

Block paving is very common for residential streets in the Netherlands, so
that's not really enough to distinguish a living_street.

I'd keep highway=living_street for (at minimum) single surface, no clear
distinction between where cars and pedestrians go, and no clear straight
route for cars.


On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Dan S  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> By coincidence, I've just got home from mapping a "home zone"
> signposted area - first time I've seen one. I'm tagging it as
> living_street. Here it is:
> 
>
> I would say do not use the tag just because of seeing block paving on
> the street. As far as I'm aware, there's no rule that motorists have
> any obligation to interpret block paving in a particular way. In
> practice, I guess it does influence them, but as a "nudge" not a rule,
> so it seems to me that "highway=residential and surface=paving_stones"
> (as you suggest, Rob) is a good fit for the merely block-paved.
>
> Best
> Dan
>
> 2014-08-31 19:56 GMT+01:00 Amaroussi-OSM :
> > As far as I know for minor roads, I always default to using unclassified
> or residential (depending on the surrounding area’s predominant land use).
> I only use “Pedestrian” where such sign exists, and “Living streets” for
> actual home zones with “home zone” signs, if I ever found one.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Pedestrian Countdown crossings in London

[David Woolley]

On 31/08/14 21:28, SK53 wrote:

Dont know, but I have pictures of a few. They also exist in Caceres,
Spain and Tallinn, Latvia.


I first encountered them in China about 13 years ago.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Pedestrian Countdown crossings in London

[SK53]

Dont know, but I have pictures of a few. They also exist in Caceres, Spain
and Tallinn, Latvia.

Jerry


On 31 August 2014 20:16, Amaroussi-OSM  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> How should we distinguish the new pedestrian countdown crossings in
> London? Should we introduce “crossing_ref=countdown” in conjunction with
> “crossing=traffic_signals” as the unified description for such crossings,
> and similar ones in other cities?
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK use of highway=living_street

[Dan S]

Hi all,

By coincidence, I've just got home from mapping a "home zone"
signposted area - first time I've seen one. I'm tagging it as
living_street. Here it is:


I would say do not use the tag just because of seeing block paving on
the street. As far as I'm aware, there's no rule that motorists have
any obligation to interpret block paving in a particular way. In
practice, I guess it does influence them, but as a "nudge" not a rule,
so it seems to me that "highway=residential and surface=paving_stones"
(as you suggest, Rob) is a good fit for the merely block-paved.

Best
Dan

2014-08-31 19:56 GMT+01:00 Amaroussi-OSM :
> As far as I know for minor roads, I always default to using unclassified or 
> residential (depending on the surrounding area’s predominant land use). I 
> only use “Pedestrian” where such sign exists, and “Living streets” for actual 
> home zones with “home zone” signs, if I ever found one.
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[Talk-GB] Pedestrian Countdown crossings in London

[Amaroussi-OSM]

Hello,

How should we distinguish the new pedestrian countdown crossings in London? 
Should we introduce “crossing_ref=countdown” in conjunction with 
“crossing=traffic_signals” as the unified description for such crossings, and 
similar ones in other cities?
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK use of highway=living_street

[Amaroussi-OSM]

As far as I know for minor roads, I always default to using unclassified or 
residential (depending on the surrounding area’s predominant land use). I only 
use “Pedestrian” where such sign exists, and “Living streets” for actual home 
zones with “home zone” signs, if I ever found one.
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK use of highway=living_street

[Donald Noble]

I have tended to map sections of residential streets with block paving, no
footways, and either chicanes of just sharp corners to prevent people
driving quickly as living_streets, whether or not they were explicitly
designed as such. These also tend to be exclusively dead-end sections,
rather than main routes. Not sure if this is correct, but I think there is
a difference between this type of street and relatively wide tarmac roads
with sweeping corners, where even if the speed limit is 20mph, cars can
easily drive at 30.

I'm not sure whether adoption or not is something that is relevant here, as
I'd guess this would be very hard to determine 'on the ground'.



On 31 August 2014 14:08, Craig Wallace  wrote:

> On 2014-08-31 12:51, Rob Nickerson wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've see an increased use of block paving as a road surface on new
>> housing developments. Example image:
>>
>> http://cms.esi.info/Media/productImages/38030_1338993270237_PF.jpg
>>
>> How are people tagging these? At first I wondered about the
>> highway=living_street tag but the wiki page suggests these should be
>> signposted and have special regulations:
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=living_street
>>
>> I guess highway=residential and surface=paving_stones is most suitable
>> unless someone has some better suggestions?
>>
>
> I don't think the road surface really matters as to whether or not it is a
> living street.
>
> What is more relevant:
> Are there any pavements, are they separated by kerbs? Or are people
> encouraged to walk along/across the road, ie "shared space".
> Is there a low speed limit. ie 20mph or less?
> Any traffic calming to slow vehicles down, eg speed bumps, or chicanes. Or
> street furniture, ie trees, bollards, benches on the road.
>
> Craig
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK use of highway=living_street

[Craig Wallace]

On 2014-08-31 12:51, Rob Nickerson wrote:

Hi all,

I've see an increased use of block paving as a road surface on new
housing developments. Example image:

http://cms.esi.info/Media/productImages/38030_1338993270237_PF.jpg

How are people tagging these? At first I wondered about the
highway=living_street tag but the wiki page suggests these should be
signposted and have special regulations:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=living_street

I guess highway=residential and surface=paving_stones is most suitable
unless someone has some better suggestions?


I don't think the road surface really matters as to whether or not it is 
a living street.


What is more relevant:
Are there any pavements, are they separated by kerbs? Or are people 
encouraged to walk along/across the road, ie "shared space".

Is there a low speed limit. ie 20mph or less?
Any traffic calming to slow vehicles down, eg speed bumps, or chicanes. 
Or street furniture, ie trees, bollards, benches on the road.


Craig

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Re: [Talk-GB] UK use of highway=living_street

[David Woolley]

On 31/08/14 13:47, Rob Nickerson wrote:

The one I saw the other day was a reasonably long loop road. It would
expect it to either be maintained by the Local Authority or the Housing
Association,


In my experience, housing association roads, created in the last decade 
or so, are most unlikely to be adopted.  As I said, there aren't really 
enough gradations of privacy, but, if unadopted, I would probably set 
them to highway=residential, access=destination, on the basis that there 
is an implied right to drive up to a house you are visiting, but the 
housing association won't want to pay for the wear and tear from the 
local driving instructor using them, so permissive would be too much. 
I'd reserve access=private for gated developments, ones with authorised 
vehicles only signs, and drives associated with blocks of flats. (The 
use of permissive that I'd agree with is private roads that are part of 
a tourist area and are expected to be used by tourists.)


Note that people can put up misleading signage implying that adopted 
roads are not public highways.


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Re: [Talk-GB] UK use of highway=living_street

[David Woolley]

On 31/08/14 13:30, SK53 wrote:

It is sometimes worth ascertaining if the block-paved sections are
adopted highways, where they only occur at the ends of streets. In some
cases these may just be a shared-access driveway. Not always easy to do
of course.


My impression is that councils are very reluctant to adopt these days, 
so it quite likely to be, at most, a private residential road (although 
I'd personally tend to map it as access destination, rather than 
private, unless there were indications that cars were unwelcome without 
prior agreement.  There aren't really enough gradations of privacy to 
accurately map this sort of case (e.g. it might not be a public highway, 
but, if un-gated, no-one may be enforcing that, and even the residents 
may not have read their title deeds that carefully, until they get 
called upon to pay for upkeep!).


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Re: [Talk-GB] UK use of highway=living_street

[Rob Nickerson]

The one I saw the other day was a reasonably long loop road. It would
expect it to either be maintained by the Local Authority or the Housing
Association, but even if it was a non-adopted highway I'm not sure how this
would change my tagging??

Shared access driveways were tarmac in this development. I usually tag
these are highway=service or not map them at all (in cases where they are
short, and I am only using GPS data as no aerial imagery is available).

Rob


On 31 August 2014 13:30, SK53  wrote:

> Hi Rob,
>
> I know others have mapped as in your first suggestion, but I'm strongly in
> favour of the second. Living Streets have particular regulations whereas
> modern estate roads (usually cul-de-sacs) do not.
>
> It is sometimes worth ascertaining if the block-paved sections are adopted
> highways, where they only occur at the ends of streets. In some cases these
> may just be a shared-access driveway. Not always easy to do of course.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> On 31 August 2014 12:51, Rob Nickerson  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've see an increased use of block paving as a road surface on new
>> housing developments. Example image:
>>
>> http://cms.esi.info/Media/productImages/38030_1338993270237_PF.jpg
>>
>> How are people tagging these? At first I wondered about the
>> highway=living_street tag but the wiki page suggests these should be
>> signposted and have special regulations:
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=living_street
>>
>> I guess highway=residential and surface=paving_stones is most suitable
>> unless someone has some better suggestions?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK use of highway=living_street

[SK53]

Hi Rob,

I know others have mapped as in your first suggestion, but I'm strongly in
favour of the second. Living Streets have particular regulations whereas
modern estate roads (usually cul-de-sacs) do not.

It is sometimes worth ascertaining if the block-paved sections are adopted
highways, where they only occur at the ends of streets. In some cases these
may just be a shared-access driveway. Not always easy to do of course.

Jerry


On 31 August 2014 12:51, Rob Nickerson  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've see an increased use of block paving as a road surface on new housing
> developments. Example image:
>
> http://cms.esi.info/Media/productImages/38030_1338993270237_PF.jpg
>
> How are people tagging these? At first I wondered about the
> highway=living_street tag but the wiki page suggests these should be
> signposted and have special regulations:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=living_street
>
> I guess highway=residential and surface=paving_stones is most suitable
> unless someone has some better suggestions?
>
> Regards,
> Rob
>
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[Talk-GB] UK use of highway=living_street

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

I've see an increased use of block paving as a road surface on new housing
developments. Example image:

http://cms.esi.info/Media/productImages/38030_1338993270237_PF.jpg

How are people tagging these? At first I wondered about the
highway=living_street tag but the wiki page suggests these should be
signposted and have special regulations:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=living_street

I guess highway=residential and surface=paving_stones is most suitable
unless someone has some better suggestions?

Regards,
Rob
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