Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Etrex Legend hcx - still the best in price range
There are some resources on the net that tell you how to refurbish an etrex when the rubber has come off. Haven't tried it myself but have a unit that will need doing soon. Basically involves a cleaner and some double sided tape. Does the unit power up ok if you push the switch behind the rubber band, if so a refurb should work if Garmin are not forthcoming? Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Iain Simpson [mailto:i...@highersystems.co.uk] Sent: 04 June 2015 21:52 To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Etrex Legend hcx - still the best in price range Hi everyone My trusty Legend hcx has just stopped working - Rubber protection band loose and sticky (usual etrex problem) and not powering up. I'm contacting Garmin for repair - they've been good in the past ! But if I need to replace it what would you recommend ? How does the Etrex 30 perform ? Thanks -- Iain ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] Quick tagging question
On Fri Jun 5 14:15:09 2015 GMT+0100, Wittle, Paul wrote: Hi, Is it ok to add a tag 'addr:county' when drawing properties, it doesn't seem to be an officially recognised tag but I can find some references to it online? Also, would you put sub-districts of a town (i.e. Wyke Regis in Weymouth) under 'addr:place'? I would say yes, people navigate by county so it is helpful. Official is just royal mails means of delivering the mail. Phil (trigpoint ) -- Sent from my Jolla ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Quick tagging question
On 05/06/15 14:15, Wittle, Paul wrote: Hi, Is it ok to add a tag 'addr:county' when drawing properties, it doesn't seem to be an officially recognised tag but I can find some references to it online? Also, would you put sub-districts of a town (i.e. Wyke Regis in Weymouth) under 'addr:place'? Best Regards, Paul Wittle Paul, You can add any tag for any purpose that suits you, there are no official tags. Adding addr:county fits in the apparent address hierarchy, but some would say it is superfluous because the county that the place is in can be calculated by seeing which county boundary relation the location is in. That depends on having intact boundaries (they usually are) and the means to run 'is-in' calculations. PostGIS extension to PostgreSQL helps with that. In some edge cases it may be better to tag to be sure. Some people don't even add the addr:city tag for the same reasons but I always do, not least because in villages a civil parish boundary can have more than one named place in it. The fact is there is no right and wrong way to do this, do what suits you - but not everyone else will follow you. -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Quick tagging question
The Royal Mail has deprecated the use of counties in addressing. The PAF (Postcode Address File) no longer contains counties. In any case, I think you are only talking about postal counties which are only a fictional concept anyway. Is Bromley in Kent? Is Uxbridge in Middlesex? Only in the past. Administratively they are both in London. //colin On 2015-06-05 15:22, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: On Fri Jun 5 14:15:09 2015 GMT+0100, Wittle, Paul wrote: Hi, Is it ok to add a tag 'addr:county' when drawing properties, it doesn't seem to be an officially recognised tag but I can find some references to it online? Also, would you put sub-districts of a town (i.e. Wyke Regis in Weymouth) under 'addr:place'? I would say yes, people navigate by county so it is helpful. Official is just royal mails means of delivering the mail. Phil (trigpoint ) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Quick tagging question
On 05/06/15 14:15, Wittle, Paul wrote: Is it ok to add a tag 'addr:county' when drawing properties, it doesn't seem to be an officially recognised tag but I can find some references to it online? I don't think it's necessary if the postcode has been added. Also, would you put sub-districts of a town (i.e. Wyke Regis in Weymouth) under 'addr:place'? Again for UK addresses, only the house identifier plus postcode is necessary. However it depends what tools you are using to view the data. I've been going in and adding missing postcodes for osmand which builds the rest of the data itself, but it is tool dependent. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Quick tagging question
Hi, Is it ok to add a tag 'addr:county' when drawing properties, it doesn't seem to be an officially recognised tag but I can find some references to it online? Also, would you put sub-districts of a town (i.e. Wyke Regis in Weymouth) under 'addr:place'? Best Regards, Paul Wittle GIS Developer Tel: 710 8473 This e-mail is intended for the named addressee(s) only and may contain information about individuals or other sensitive information and should be handled accordingly. Unless you are the named addressee (or authorised to receive it for the addressee) you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this email in error, kindly disregard the content of the message and notify the sender immediately. Please be aware that all email may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with relevant legislation. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Quick tagging question
Depends what administration you are talking about; in government terms perhaps, but Bromley RFC's part of the Kent RFU and Uxbridge of Middlesex. Government admin is not the be all and end all... On 05/06/2015, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: The Royal Mail has deprecated the use of counties in addressing. The PAF (Postcode Address File) no longer contains counties. In any case, I think you are only talking about postal counties which are only a fictional concept anyway. Is Bromley in Kent? Is Uxbridge in Middlesex? Only in the past. Administratively they are both in London. //colin On 2015-06-05 15:22, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: On Fri Jun 5 14:15:09 2015 GMT+0100, Wittle, Paul wrote: Hi, Is it ok to add a tag 'addr:county' when drawing properties, it doesn't seem to be an officially recognised tag but I can find some references to it online? Also, would you put sub-districts of a town (i.e. Wyke Regis in Weymouth) under 'addr:place'? I would say yes, people navigate by county so it is helpful. Official is just royal mails means of delivering the mail. Phil (trigpoint ) -- Yours aye, Tom ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quick tagging question
All of those parts of the former parts of Middlesex within Greater London and outside postal London retained Middlesex as part of the address long after 1965, see wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_counties_of_the_United_Kingdom. These days it is not clear that the addresses are 'official' in any sense. The Royal Mail is a private firm in a deregulated market, albeit one with a near monopoly position, and ownership of post codes. Street names house numbers are official because these are allocated by local government. It seems to me poor practice to base our address naming on the Royal Mail's (frequently) changing needs for postal delivery. Of course we may want to identify the way that RM uses postal towns etc., in order to produce outputs similar to PAF; but I really see little value in addr:city in the form Kinlochbervie, by Lairg or the multiple places in Nottinghamshire which totally counter intuitively have Newark as their post town. In practice this means that I tend to avoid trying to make judgements about what should go in addr:city unless there is a clear possibility of ambiguity. Given the multiple uses for which this information might be used it seems best to allow consuming applications to determine which address elements other than street/housenumber are required. It would be interesting to see what decision the OpenAddresses project has taken in this regard. Jerry On 5 June 2015 at 17:54, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: On 05/06/15 15:15, SK53 wrote: An example from my own experience: failure to differentiate between the two Hayes in Greater London, cost a Spanish University involvement in a multi-million Euro project. They arrived 3 hours late for start of meeting by which time we had identified roles for everyone else. Hayes, Middlesex Hayes, Kent are still better identifiers than using London Borough boundaries which are unlikely to be well known even by people from the other side of London. Having just worked through the same point on the Facebook places mistakes, it is clear that 'borough' is a primary key these days, so Hayes, Hillingdon and Hayes, Bromley are the CURRENT correct locations. Middlesex ceased to exist in 1965, when Hillingdon came into existence, while a large section of Kent was transferred to Greater London by the same 1963 act. But it is perhaps not surprising that 50 years on, people still hang on to the old names? Facebook recognises https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hayes-Bromley/112359098779648 and https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hayes-Kent/257684507604168 but only https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hayes-Hillingdon/108434975843564. However none of them can be used as a 'place', for which only https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hayes-Slough-United-Kingdom/106517172716184 exists currently. So lets keep with the official designations if one must add county/borough information to every object ... which does seem a futile exercise? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Quick tagging question
On 05/06/15 18:44, SK53 wrote: All of those parts of the former parts of Middlesex within Greater London and outside postal London retained Middlesex as part of the address long after 1965, see wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_counties_of_the_United_Kingdom. These days it is not clear that the addresses are 'official' in any sense. The Royal Mail is a private firm in a deregulated market, albeit one with a near monopoly position, and ownership of post codes. Street names house numbers are official because these are allocated by local government. The county of Middlesex ceased to exist in 1965. Royal Mail retained 'former postal counties' because of the cost of changing them, but the area they call 'Middlesex' expanded to included surrounding areas and existed as a name up until 1996, It is quite clear these days what the property designation is as per the NLPG, but as demonstrated with the Hayes, Bromley example, while the postal address IS now Bromley, many locals continue to add 'Kent'. It is perhaps because of the old 'Middlesex' connection that the current miss-identification of many of those towns is 'Slough' in the Facebook places list has come about. Since it is a council responsibility to create new street names, the post office simply add postcodes to an existing entity and therefore the borough or county designation is well defined? No new roads will be created as 'Middlesex'. I lived in Hewens Road, Hillingdon, Middlesex until the mid 90's ... Royal Mail now call it Hewens Road, Uxbridge, but it is some distance from Uxbridge. Hayes, Middlesex is now simply 'Hayes' according to Royal Mail and Hayes, Kent is now simply 'Bromley' so it is perhaps understandable that locals do not take much notice of the PAF file? Facebook do not allow me to tag my home address at that time and putting 'Uxbridge' is simply wrong, so it is nice that OSM almost gets it right ... Hewens Road, Hayes, London Borough of Hillingdon, London, Greater London ... Now if I can just get the Hayes corrected to Hillingdon! The Hillingdon tag on OSM is much closer to Hewens Road than Hayes is ... now that I'm actually looking, http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2325649033 should be a 'town'? Is the 'suburb designation outranking Hillingdon's town tag? Hayes, Bromley does not seem to exist in OSM? Derick has Hayes Station, but OSM put's it in West Wickham, London Borough of Bromley, London, Greater London. While GeoNames has an entry for Hayes, Bromley, OSM it seems does not? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
