All of those parts of the former parts of Middlesex within Greater London and outside postal London retained Middlesex as part of the address long after 1965, see wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_counties_of_the_United_Kingdom>. These days it is not clear that the addresses are 'official' in any sense. The Royal Mail is a private firm in a deregulated market, albeit one with a near monopoly position, and ownership of post codes. Street names & house numbers are official because these are allocated by local government.
It seems to me poor practice to base our address naming on the Royal Mail's (frequently) changing needs for postal delivery. Of course we may want to identify the way that RM uses postal towns etc., in order to produce outputs similar to PAF; but I really see little value in addr:city in the form "Kinlochbervie, by Lairg" or the multiple places in Nottinghamshire which totally counter intuitively have Newark as their post town. In practice this means that I tend to avoid trying to make judgements about what should go in addr:city unless there is a clear possibility of ambiguity. Given the multiple uses for which this information might be used it seems best to allow consuming applications to determine which address elements other than street/housenumber are required. It would be interesting to see what decision the OpenAddresses project has taken in this regard. Jerry On 5 June 2015 at 17:54, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk> wrote: > On 05/06/15 15:15, SK53 wrote: > > An example from my own experience: failure to differentiate between the > > two Hayes in Greater London, cost a Spanish University involvement in a > > multi-million Euro project. They arrived 3 hours late for start of > > meeting by which time we had identified roles for everyone else. Hayes, > > Middlesex & Hayes, Kent are still better identifiers than using London > > Borough boundaries which are unlikely to be well known even by people > > from the other side of London. > > Having just worked through the same point on the Facebook places > mistakes, it is clear that 'borough' is a primary key these days, so > Hayes, Hillingdon and Hayes, Bromley are the CURRENT correct locations. > Middlesex ceased to exist in 1965, when Hillingdon came into existence, > while a large section of Kent was transferred to Greater London by the > same 1963 act. > > But it is perhaps not surprising that 50 years on, people still hang on > to the old names? Facebook recognises > https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hayes-Bromley/112359098779648 and > https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hayes-Kent/257684507604168 but only > https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hayes-Hillingdon/108434975843564. However > none of them can be used as a 'place', for which only > https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hayes-Slough-United-Kingdom/106517172716184 > exists currently. > > So lets keep with the official designations if one must add > county/borough information to every object ... which does seem a futile > exercise? > > -- > Lester Caine - G8HFL > ----------------------------- > Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact > L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk > EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ > Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk > Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >
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