Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project : Schools - New edit tracker tool

[Lester Caine]

On 18/01/16 13:13, Dave F. wrote:
> On 18/01/2016 13:00, Lester Caine wrote:
>> On 17/01/16 20:35, Harry Wood wrote:
>>> I made a new tracker tool for this school mapping project:
>>>
>>> http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/diffreader/schools
>> Can I make an appeal for those adding the edubase reference and checking
>> the address details with http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/ can you
>> add the website to the school so we have all the contact details for
>> later developments. Since it's on the same page as the primary details
>> it's just a couple more clicks to copy.
> 
> I've notice a couple in my area with slightly incorrect addresses. (I
> find it irritating that businesses appear obsessed with changing them,
> especially sub pages). Either use a validator, such as Keep Right to
> check after adding them all or if you have the time, do a web search to
> ensure the current URL.

Some of the schools I've just edited are more accurate than the edubase
data ;) Seems since schools 'change ownership' a lot more often than one
would think, the official directory can't keep up :)

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Re: [Talk-GB] Requested reversions

[Philip Barnes]

On Mon, 2016-01-18 at 11:33 +, Kevin Flynn wrote:
> I would be very much obliged if someone who knows how could revert
> all of the changes I made in error in change sets 36653552 and
> 36653790. (The earlier version had errors, but in attempting to
> correct them using faulty data I made things worse!) Thanks.
> UrViator

I have reverted these in changesets
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/36656505 and 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/36656415

Phil (trigpoint)

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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project : Schools - New edit tracker tool

[Lester Caine]

On 17/01/16 20:35, Harry Wood wrote:
> I made a new tracker tool for this school mapping project:
> 
> http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/diffreader/schools

Can I make an appeal for those adding the edubase reference and checking
the address details with http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/ can you
add the website to the school so we have all the contact details for
later developments. Since it's on the same page as the primary details
it's just a couple more clicks to copy.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project : Schools - New edit tracker tool

[Dave F.]

On 18/01/2016 13:00, Lester Caine wrote:

On 17/01/16 20:35, Harry Wood wrote:

I made a new tracker tool for this school mapping project:

http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/diffreader/schools

Can I make an appeal for those adding the edubase reference and checking
the address details with http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/ can you
add the website to the school so we have all the contact details for
later developments. Since it's on the same page as the primary details
it's just a couple more clicks to copy.



I've notice a couple in my area with slightly incorrect addresses. (I 
find it irritating that businesses appear obsessed with changing them, 
especially sub pages). Either use a validator, such as Keep Right to 
check after adding them all or if you have the time, do a web search to 
ensure the current URL.


Dave F.

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Imports] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Am 17.01.2016 um 19:35 schrieb Edward Betts :
> l
> I've written some heuristic for different cases. For settlements where there
> is a node and polygon (way or relation) I prefer the node.


wikidata items for settlements are very often actually administrative objects 
in osm, because of the preference for official sources used for Wikipedia 
(wikidata started by creating an object for every article AFAIK)

Is this planned as an actual "mass import", and not every item will be looked 
at by a human before being uploaded? IMHO it would be better to provide the 
results of your analysis in small chunks for the local community to be imported 
"by hand".


cheers 
Martin 
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Imports] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

[Jo]

In the case of a museum which is tagged as a node, inside a building
closedway, I would be inclined to give both the node and the building the
same Wikidata tag.

I created Lua code which can be included on a Wikipedia page, which uses
Overpass API to show where that  'museum' is mapped on Openstreetmap.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:OSM

At the moment I'm adding wikidata tags to railway stations in Belgium
(Thanks to Simon04, who made doing so a bit more practical: THANKS), so I
add the same wikidata identifier to both the building=train_station and the
node railway=station, and sometimes to the nearby bus stops as well, if
they have station in their names.

That way, somebody who uses the script, will get to see all the OSM objects
that are related to the railway station.

At some point it may happen that the separate bus stops will have wikidata
items of their own, at that time, they can be updated in OSM and their
relation to the station can then probably be found in Wikidata.

It's time consuming, but I tend to do this one by one. There are often
things that can be mapped in better ways around those stations.

What we do need, is a way to fetch wikidata items based on their
coordinates in the Wikipedia plugin, now only Wikpedia articles of the
language set in the preferences are retrieved.

Polyglot

2016-01-17 16:51 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :

>
> 2016-01-17 12:08 GMT+01:00 Edward Betts :
>
>>
>> Any questions or comments?
>
>
>
> I have started some time ago to add wikidata tags manually myself and have
> found that there are a few problems to be careful about. Will you be
> checking the matches you have found to see if there would be contradictions
> between single wikidata statements and current OSM tags, that will require
> reorganization of either the OSM object or the wikidata object? "Partial"
> matches are not so uncommon, e.g. you could have a wikidata object
> referring to a museum and an OSM object referring to the building housing
> the museum (or the other way round).
>
> Another field of similar but not identical objects can happen with places
> (and sub-places like quarters), where one of the DBs is referring to the
> administrative entity and the other to the geographical entity (or only one
> of the DBs is referring to both while the other has it split over 2
> objects).
>
> Cheers,
> Martin
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Imports] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2016-01-17 12:08 GMT+01:00 Edward Betts :

>
> Any questions or comments?



I have started some time ago to add wikidata tags manually myself and have
found that there are a few problems to be careful about. Will you be
checking the matches you have found to see if there would be contradictions
between single wikidata statements and current OSM tags, that will require
reorganization of either the OSM object or the wikidata object? "Partial"
matches are not so uncommon, e.g. you could have a wikidata object
referring to a museum and an OSM object referring to the building housing
the museum (or the other way round).

Another field of similar but not identical objects can happen with places
(and sub-places like quarters), where one of the DBs is referring to the
administrative entity and the other to the geographical entity (or only one
of the DBs is referring to both while the other has it split over 2
objects).

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [Talk-GB] Abbreviations in OSM and schools

[Brian Prangle]

I don't think we should worry about getting a standard for this. I think
our main task is to extend the data and clean it up as far as we can. Then
we can use the name anomalies to try and get the relevant community (i.e
the schools themselves) to add the correct name - which will be the one
THEY prefer from all the official variants

Regards

Brian

On 17 January 2016 at 20:42, Ed Loach  wrote:

> So, should we be using the full school name or abbreviating 'church of
> england voluntary aided' to CEVA as they do on the school pullovers?
> Similar questions for other variations - I've seen CE, CoE, C of E for
> example.
>
> I've been leaving existing names in the main (occasionally adding VC or
> VA) in the hope these are from surveys and are what are on the sign, but
> some names are sourced from fhrs or even os opendata. Is the DfE name
> better in these cases?
>
> Ed
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

[Edward Betts]

I've written software to match geographic objects in OSM with Wikidata items.

Members of the England West Midlands community have asked me to add Wikidata
tags to OSM in the West Midlands. I have produced a list of objects to modify,
there are 1,164 of them in 44 categories.

Wikidata identifiers are look like Q2256, a Q followed by a number. The tags
I plan to add will look will look like this: wikidata=Q2256

Wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata

The matching is based on finding OSM objects with nearby Wikidata items and
comparing the names and tags in OSM with labels and aliases in Wikidata. 

My plan is to add these tags using the API, one changeset per category.

Here is a list of matches grouped by category with links to Wikidata,
Wikipedia and OSM for each match.

https://edwardbetts.com/osm-wikidata/west_midlands/2016-01-16.html

This is the list of Wikidata tags that I actually plan to add:

https://edwardbetts.com/osm-wikidata/west_midlands/matches_2016-01-16.txt

This second lists has duplicates removed. I've also removed any OSM objects
that already have a wikidata tag.

Wikidata is licensed as public domain or CC0. I'm not importing any location
data from Wikidata, just the Wikidata identifier.

There are 44,559 existing wikidata tags in the OSM database.

I've added an entry to the Import Catalogue in the "Ongoing Imports,
Semi-Automated" section.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue#Ongoing_Imports.2C_Semi-Automated

If this upload is successful I plan to repeat the process for other regions in
the UK. Then gradually expand to other parts of the world.

The matching software is in a reasonably tidy state, after a bit more clean up
I will share it for others to review and contribute.

Any questions or comments?
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project : Schools - Wales data

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

On 18 January 2016 at 16:41, Bogus Zaba  wrote:
> I was however a bit surprised to see that the progress tool referenced
> here : http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/
> includes Welsh postcodes but uses Edubase rather than estyn as the data
> source. As far as I can make out,  estyn is the more comprehensive data
> source for Wales, Edubase is by no means complete.

I set up http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/ . I was aware
of the Estyn source, but was hoping that Edubase already had all the
Welsh schools covered, as the Edubase data was easier to import
automatically. You seem to be suggesting that this isn't the case. It
looks like the Estyn numbers are actually a three-digit LA code
followed by a four-digit school code, which correspond to the
"LA/Establishment Number" stored in Edubase. I did a quick check with
the Isle of Anglesey schools, and it seems both Estyn and Edubase have
the same number -- 56. If you area aware of significant numbers of
schools missing from Edubase, then please let me know, and I'll see
how easy it would be to import the Estyn data too. In the mean time,
I'm afraid the Estyn codes won't be picked up by my tool.

Robert.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Abbreviations in OSM and schools

[Chris Hill]

On 18/01/16 06:50, Marc Gemis wrote:

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 9:57 PM, Lester Caine  wrote:

On 17/01/16 20:42, Ed Loach wrote:

So, should we be using the full school name or abbreviating 'church of
england voluntary aided' to CEVA as they do on the school pullovers?
Similar questions for other variations - I've seen CE, CoE, C of E for
example.

I've been changing them to match what is listed on edubase for the main
name, and retaining an alt_name sometimes.

Isn't this a "mechanical" edit ? Shouldn't we list what is on the
ground, .i.e. the name that can be found on the entrance in the name
field ?
I would put CEVA in short_name.

just my .5 cents



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Re: [Talk-GB] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

[Edward Betts]

Lester Caine  wrote:
> On 18/01/16 06:54, Edward Betts wrote:
> > The list of schools in the West Midlands is ready to go. Does anybody have 
> > an
> > objection to me adding the wikidata tags now? If not I'll add them.
> 
> Only done a quick scan, but Pershore High School no longer has just a
> node. Not sure on some others since need to check objects to match on of
> multiple names. Don't think any body else is editing these schools
> currently?

My work is based on a data dump downloaded a week ago. My code for adding the
wikidata tags to OSM will skip any objects that no longer exist.

> But *I* would appreciate breaking up the commits so we don't end up with all
> 1164 on the one change set? :(

The matches that I've found in the West Midlands are grouped into 44
categories. The plan is to have one changeset per category, not to upload 1164
changes in a single changeset.

> The wikidata tag is in addition to the existing wikipedia tag?

Yes. I'm not planning to make any changes to wikipedia tags.

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[Talk-GB] Quarterly Project : Schools - Wales data

[Bogus Zaba]

Following the wiki guidelines (
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects ) I have been
adding a ref:estyn=* tag to schools which are local to me. I plan to
cover some rather further afield if other mappers in Wales do not seem
to be participating enthusiastically.

I was however a bit surprised to see that the progress tool referenced
here : http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/
includes Welsh postcodes but uses Edubase rather than estyn as the data
source. As far as I can make out,  estyn is the more comprehensive data
source for Wales, Edubase is by no means complete.

Would I be correct in assuming that the progress tool is not really
something that we should be relying on when it comes to looking at Welsh
schools? My own overpass turbo queries suggest that there are 1474
amenity=school tags in Wales of which 36 so far have a ref:estyn=* tag.
I guess we have a little way to go...

bogzab

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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Schools Project

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

I didn't realise just how poor our schools data is! It looks good on the
standard map but Robert's tool just amazes me about how much work there is
to do even in what we thinkof as well-mapped areas. I'm concentrating on
tidying up South Birmingham data and Dudley, with a few forays into
Herefordshire and Warwickshire to vary the mix.  Great to see a project
really take off at last!

Regards

Brian
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