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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK AoA Directors Powers

2016-04-21 Thread Jez Nicholson

I had never considered that a pony may be in the offing...

And the web site example is good. There needs to be a balance between
getting things done by paying a reasonable amount and Directors going crazy
with the cash. Checks and balances.

How do we choose between the options?

On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 20:00 SK53,  wrote:

> A small document setting out a range of options for the Directors
> Authority clause.
>
> Jerry
>
> Directors Powers Options
>
>
> The basic boilerplate text of the Articles of Association provides that
> Directors can exercise all the powers of the Company. In initial
> discussions there was a strong consensus that OSM UK should be member led:
> broadly that most or all iniatives should orginate with the membership,
> with the Directors doing necessary work to facilitate such things.
>
>
> To take a simple example: I would presume OSMUK would want a website.
> Agreeing that a website is wanted & needed, then the Directors would need
> to have powers to agree a contract & pay the fees, which in turn implies a
> bank account etc. Allowing Directors full powers may mean that OSM UK
> follows the interests & desires of the Directors rather than those of the
> Members. In Rob Nickerson's original survey they were a range of things
> suggested and different levels of approval for them.
>
>
> The problem of restricting Directors' powers is that it is not always
> clear what powers they may need to perform various tasks.
>
>
> We can split powers into a number of different categories:
>
>
>
>-
>
>Basic powers needed to run the company as a going concern: ability to
>have a bank account, pay bills etc.
>-
>
>Entering into contracts. Necessary for many routine activities of a
>company, but others may not be routine.
>-
>
>Initiating projects.
>
>
> So far I have conceived of a number of different ways we can express this
> in the AoA:
>
>
>
>1.
>
>*Full powers*. Standard boilerplate text. Easy to do. Downside is that
>removing powers may require alterations to AoA, and furthermore restricting
>Directors' powers is quite likely to end up being contentious. Any such
>process will appear to be a group of members not trusting the Directors.
>2.
>
>*No powers*. Powers need to be conferred explicitly by the Members.
>This is the current draft. Downside is that it is likely to limit Directors
>far too much. Such limitation is likely to be particularly troublesome at
>the outset.
>3.
>
>*No powers except those needed for Directors to fulfill legal &
>fiduciary duties*. Basically an additional clause added to current
>draft. This is an attempt to allow Directors to do necessary things but not
>unnecessary ones. Likely to readily twisted for any purpose.
>4.
>
>*Full powers limited for a term*. As current draft but Directors given
>full powers until the first AGM. Directors would be expected to propose
>which powers they need at the first AGM.
>5.
>
>*Full powers, renewable at the AGM*. Again slightly limiting powers &
>putting onus on Directors to use them responsibly. Downside is that if
>powers are not renewed then back in same problem area of 2.
>6.
>
>*Powers need to fulfill obligations & resolution of the members*. A
>variant of 3, but phrased so that if the Membership votes for everyone to
>have a pony; Directors are implicitly granted such powers as needed to
>acquire & distribute said ponies.
>
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[Talk-GB] OSMUK AoA Directors Powers

2016-04-21 Thread SK53

A small document setting out a range of options for the Directors Authority
clause.

Jerry

Directors Powers Options


The basic boilerplate text of the Articles of Association provides that
Directors can exercise all the powers of the Company. In initial
discussions there was a strong consensus that OSM UK should be member led:
broadly that most or all iniatives should orginate with the membership,
with the Directors doing necessary work to facilitate such things.


To take a simple example: I would presume OSMUK would want a website.
Agreeing that a website is wanted & needed, then the Directors would need
to have powers to agree a contract & pay the fees, which in turn implies a
bank account etc. Allowing Directors full powers may mean that OSM UK
follows the interests & desires of the Directors rather than those of the
Members. In Rob Nickerson's original survey they were a range of things
suggested and different levels of approval for them.


The problem of restricting Directors' powers is that it is not always clear
what powers they may need to perform various tasks.


We can split powers into a number of different categories:



   -

   Basic powers needed to run the company as a going concern: ability to
   have a bank account, pay bills etc.
   -

   Entering into contracts. Necessary for many routine activities of a
   company, but others may not be routine.
   -

   Initiating projects.


So far I have conceived of a number of different ways we can express this
in the AoA:



   1.

   *Full powers*. Standard boilerplate text. Easy to do. Downside is that
   removing powers may require alterations to AoA, and furthermore restricting
   Directors' powers is quite likely to end up being contentious. Any such
   process will appear to be a group of members not trusting the Directors.
   2.

   *No powers*. Powers need to be conferred explicitly by the Members. This
   is the current draft. Downside is that it is likely to limit Directors far
   too much. Such limitation is likely to be particularly troublesome at the
   outset.
   3.

   *No powers except those needed for Directors to fulfill legal &
   fiduciary duties*. Basically an additional clause added to current
   draft. This is an attempt to allow Directors to do necessary things but not
   unnecessary ones. Likely to readily twisted for any purpose.
   4.

   *Full powers limited for a term*. As current draft but Directors given
   full powers until the first AGM. Directors would be expected to propose
   which powers they need at the first AGM.
   5.

   *Full powers, renewable at the AGM*. Again slightly limiting powers &
   putting onus on Directors to use them responsibly. Downside is that if
   powers are not renewed then back in same problem area of 2.
   6.

   *Powers need to fulfill obligations & resolution of the members*. A
   variant of 3, but phrased so that if the Membership votes for everyone to
   have a pony; Directors are implicitly granted such powers as needed to
   acquire & distribute said ponies.
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Re: [Talk-GB] defibrillators - was: phone boxes used for other purposes

2016-04-21 Thread Michael Booth

Wow, poor excuse from the leisure centre - they should deal with the
actual problem and not a hypothetical one!

I've added one in my town's High Street, but unfortunately it doesn't
show up on the standard map layer. It would be good if there was an
"emergency" layer, which listed all the emergency tags and other
important POIs. The humanitarian layer has police, fire, medical, ATMs,
taxis, etc. - would make sense to add defibrillators to that list as
well. How do we go about getting a defibrillator icon on the map?

On 21/04/2016 16:51, Ed Loach wrote:

I spent some time not that long ago trying to survey all the ones in
Tendring using the list available at

http://www.eastamb.nhs.uk/Get-involved/Community-Public-Access-Defibrillators.htm

as a starting point of where to look.

I’ve fed back to them some spelling mistakes that are on their list
(they’ve not corrected them yet), and mentioned one that they aren’t
aware of (I need to get Morrisons at Waterglade in Clacton to let them
know officially before they can add it). There are also a couple on
their list that I can’t find. Possibly inside the swimming pool and
office that are mentioned, but not externally accessible outside
opening hours when I surveyed, so they aren’t in OSM yet. I might try
and get back during opening hours at some point, but this suggests we
might need opening hours tags (or maybe access tags if they are only
for customers, for example) for those not always accessible.

I used Overpass to view them

http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/cgh

The reason I mapped them was because our CAMRA branch decided to apply
for some available funding to purchase some for local village pubs,
getting the funding for all three that we applied for. One of the
conditions was that there weren’t any near where we were applying to
add another. So I needed to know where the existing ones were, and the
overpass map seemed perfect for that. One of the pubs that was
originally suggested already had one on the outside. Anyway, the three
have been delivered to the pubs, and the one I know has been attached
to the pub I mapped yesterday. One of the other two is (or will be) at
the pub around the corner from another new one I need to survey

http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/532309

as it appears the different funding sources don’t co-ordinate (or the
Firs decided to get their own). The final one is (or will be) at the
Plough in Great Bentley.

This story is another reason why we might want to consider access tags:

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/leisure_centre_did_not_lend_defib_to_school_when_teacher_collapsed_because_of_health_and_safety_1_4462686

*From:*Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* 21 April 2016 09:57
*To:* Paul Berry
*Cc:* Talk GB
*Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] phone boxes used for other purposes

Well as we have a healthcare QP running which seems not to have
generated a community focuslike we did with schools and there's some
interest in defibs - why not get cracking on this for the rest of the QP?

regards

Brian

On 19 April 2016 at 12:21, Paul Berry > wrote:

On the subject of defibrillators, they could make a useful GB mapping
project. They need surveying, but it is something that both urban and
rural mappers could get out and find on the lighter evenings.

I quite agree. I've just mapped two near me (one in an old phone box,
one affixed to the wall of a shop).

I suspect there are far more out there than would be apparent from the
map:
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/defibrillators-uk_81299#8/53.635/-2.304

Regards,

/Paul/

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[Talk-GB] weeklyOSM 300

2016-04-21 Thread Manfred A. Reiter

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 300, is now available online in
English,
giving as always a summary of important things happening in the
openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/7325 Important
issues:

   - The severe earthquake on the Ecuadorian Pacific coast with more than
   500 casualties
   - Hot Tasks - please help and map 
   - Wiki Spanisch
   

   - Wiki Englisch
   
   - The List of upcoming Mapathons
   

will
   be updated in the wiki. The OSM Calendar
    will be updated as well.

Enjoy! weeklyOSM is brought to you by ...
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Languages

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Re: [Talk-GB] defibrillators - was: phone boxes used for other purposes

2016-04-21 Thread Ed Loach

I spent some time not that long ago trying to survey all the ones in Tendring 
using the list available at 

http://www.eastamb.nhs.uk/Get-involved/Community-Public-Access-Defibrillators.htm
 

as a starting point of where to look.

 

I’ve fed back to them some spelling mistakes that are on their list (they’ve 
not corrected them yet), and mentioned one that they aren’t aware of (I need to 
get Morrisons at Waterglade in Clacton to let them know officially before they 
can add it). There are also a couple on their list that I can’t find. Possibly 
inside the swimming pool and office that are mentioned, but not externally 
accessible outside opening hours when I surveyed, so they aren’t in OSM yet. I 
might try and get back during opening hours at some point, but this suggests we 
might need opening hours tags (or maybe access tags if they are only for 
customers, for example) for those not always accessible.

 

I used Overpass to view them

http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/cgh

 

The reason I mapped them was because our CAMRA branch decided to apply for some 
available funding to purchase some for local village pubs, getting the funding 
for all three that we applied for. One of the conditions was that there weren’t 
any near where we were applying to add another. So I needed to know where the 
existing ones were, and the overpass map seemed perfect for that. One of the 
pubs that was originally suggested already had one on the outside. Anyway, the 
three have been delivered to the pubs, and the one I know has been attached to 
the pub I mapped yesterday. One of the other two is (or will be) at the pub 
around the corner from another new one I need to survey

http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/532309

as it appears the different funding sources don’t co-ordinate (or the Firs 
decided to get their own). The final one is (or will be) at the Plough in Great 
Bentley.

 

This story is another reason why we might want to consider access tags:

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/leisure_centre_did_not_lend_defib_to_school_when_teacher_collapsed_because_of_health_and_safety_1_4462686

 

Ed

 

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 21 April 2016 09:57
To: Paul Berry
Cc: Talk GB
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] phone boxes used for other purposes

 

Well as we have a healthcare QP running which seems not to have generated a 
community focuslike we did with schools and there's some interest in defibs - 
why not get cracking on this for the rest of the QP?

regards

Brian

 

On 19 April 2016 at 12:21, Paul Berry  wrote:

On the subject of defibrillators, they could make a useful GB mapping
project. They need surveying, but it is something that both urban and
rural mappers could get out and find on the lighter evenings.

 

I quite agree. I've just mapped two near me (one in an old phone box, one 
affixed to the wall of a shop).

 

I suspect there are far more out there than would be apparent from the map: 
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/defibrillators-uk_81299#8/53.635/-2.304

 

Regards,

Paul

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Re: [Talk-GB] Remove tag "priority" from railways

2016-04-21 Thread Andy Townsend


On 21/04/2016 09:32, Brian Prangle wrote:

Hi Roland

If it's only one line affected it looks like it's the work of one 
user.  Have you tried contacting him/her? Otherwise I have no 
objections to your proposed mechanical edit


As I understand it, that one user was also working for Mentz.  I'm not 
even sure that "User B working for company C removes tag added in one 
changeset in error by user A working for company C" would count as a 
mechanical edit.


Other tags on that line look like they could do with reviewing - 
although I'm not a local, I suspect that the maximum speed signs on 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/150215887/history actually say "100 
mph" not "161".  Looking at the history, it appears that an unsuccessful 
attempt was made to revert that.


Cheers,

Andy


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Re: [Talk-GB] phone boxes used for other purposes

2016-04-21 Thread Brian Prangle

Well as we have a healthcare QP running which seems not to have generated a
community focuslike we did with schools and there's some interest in defibs
- why not get cracking on this for the rest of the QP?

regards

Brian

On 19 April 2016 at 12:21, Paul Berry  wrote:

> On the subject of defibrillators, they could make a useful GB mapping
>> project. They need surveying, but it is something that both urban and
>> rural mappers could get out and find on the lighter evenings.
>
>
> I quite agree. I've just mapped two near me (one in an old phone box, one
> affixed to the wall of a shop).
>
> I suspect there are far more out there than would be apparent from the
> map:
> http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/defibrillators-uk_81299#8/53.635/-2.304
>
> Regards,
> *Paul*
>
>
> On 18 April 2016 at 19:21, Philip Barnes  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 2016-04-18 at 18:52 +0100, Robert Norris wrote:
>> > >
>> > > From: jack.fitzsim...@ntlworld.com
>> > > To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
>> > > Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 16:13:56 +0100
>> > > Subject: [Talk-GB] phone boxes used for other purposes
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I’m sure it must have been discussed before but how do I map a K6
>> > > booth
>> > > with no phone currently used for another purpose? I visited two
>> > > today
>> > > intending to get the phone numbers but discovered they were both
>> > > local
>> > > information points.
>> > >
>> > I've mapped a few that I've seen used as book shares like
>> > amenity=book_exchange, although I'd use amenity=public_bookcase now.
>> >
>> > Indeed the last one I remember doing has been kindly updated:
>> >
>> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3775804762/history
>> >
>> > For your case I'd probably use some form of tourism tag too (see http
>> > ://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dinformation)
>> >
>> I've mapped one which has a defibrillator in it as building=phone_box,
>> medical=defibrillator.
>>
>> On the subject of defibrillators, they could make a useful GB mapping
>> project. They need surveying, but it is something that both urban and
>> rural mappers could get out and find on the lighter evenings.
>>
>> Phil (trigpoint)
>>
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] GPS Tracks

2016-04-21 Thread Brian Prangle

Hi Jonathan

try some of the tools listed here
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Batch_Upload_of_GPX_%28various_tools%29

Regards

brian

On 20 April 2016 at 16:58, Jonathan  wrote:

>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Sorry if this isn’t pertinent to this list but if not point me in the
> right direction.
>
>
>
> I have a large number, hundreds and growing, of GPS tracks I’ve created
> while driving my van around the west midlands.
>
>
>
> I’m after a tool, web or Windows based, to help me upload them, en-masse,
> to OSM and also to help me to gather metrics from them, such as how many
> miles covered, avg speed etc, preferably exporting such data in a
> spreadsheet.  I’d also like to see them all overlaid on an OSM map for
> capturing of an image.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Jonathan
>
> Bigfatfrog67
>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Remove tag "priority" from railways

2016-04-21 Thread Brian Prangle

Hi Roland

If it's only one line affected it looks like it's the work of one user.
Have you tried contacting him/her? Otherwise I have no objections to your
proposed mechanical edit

Regards

Brian

On 21 April 2016 at 08:36, Roland Olbricht  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> we (corporation Mentz) would like to remove the tag "priority" from the
> railways in GB.
>
> They have been intially set by us to denote railway lines with important
> passenger traffic. But the German community has asked us there to use the
> route relations for that purpose instead. That has the advantage that the
> burden of maintaining it up to date is shared by more eyeballs.
>
> We would like to keep this consistent in GB. It is only one line affected:
> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/fNB
>
> I would therefore suggest to do a mechanical edit that drops the tag
> "prioity" from the ways of this line.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Roland
>
> --
> Dr. Roland Olbricht
> mdv - Mentz Datenverarbeitung GmbH
> Am Mittelhafen 10
> 48155 Münster
> e-Mail: olbri...@mentz.net
> Tel: +49 (0) 251 70330 232
> Fax: +49 (0) 251 70330 300
> http://www.mentz.net
>
> Sitz der Gesellschaft:
> Grillparzerstraße 18, 81675 München
> Geschäftsführer Dr.-Ing. Hans-J. Mentz
> Amtsgericht München, HRB 91898
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[Talk-GB] Remove tag "priority" from railways

2016-04-21 Thread Roland Olbricht


Dear all,

we (corporation Mentz) would like to remove the tag "priority" from the 
railways in GB.

They have been intially set by us to denote railway lines with important 
passenger traffic. But the German community has asked us there to use the route 
relations for that purpose instead. That has the advantage that the burden of 
maintaining it up to date is shared by more eyeballs.

We would like to keep this consistent in GB. It is only one line affected:
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/fNB

I would therefore suggest to do a mechanical edit that drops the tag "prioity" 
from the ways of this line.

Best regards,

Roland

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mdv - Mentz Datenverarbeitung GmbH
Am Mittelhafen 10
48155 Münster
e-Mail: olbri...@mentz.net
Tel: +49 (0) 251 70330 232
Fax: +49 (0) 251 70330 300
http://www.mentz.net

Sitz der Gesellschaft:
Grillparzerstraße 18, 81675 München
Geschäftsführer Dr.-Ing. Hans-J. Mentz
Amtsgericht München, HRB 91898

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