Re: [Talk-GB] Purton Hulks

2016-06-01 Thread Malcolm Herring 

On 01/06/2016 17:37, Brian Prangle wrote:

If you go to OSM's sister project openseamap you'll find they have a tag
for hulk


Those tags are not suitable for the objects described in the OP. All the 
categories of seamark:type=hulk are floating objects, whereas the Purton 
Hulks are beached & non-floatable.



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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

2016-06-01 Thread Christian Ledermann 
about operator tag
should this be the trust in case of an academy and the LA else?

On 1 June 2016 at 21:32, Christian Ledermann
 wrote:
> On 1 June 2016 at 21:21, Gregory Marler  wrote:
>> I see you suitably have a created_by=osmoapi tag on the changeset.
>>
>> Having a source= tag on the the changeset and/or created object would be
>> good.
>
> source would be edubase/seed+osopen ?
>
> what do you think about a rel:os-open:functionalsite = id?
>
>>
>> I also noticed a blank website tag got added, can you check tags this might
>> happen to and not add them if blank. E.g.
>> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/relation/4300905032
>
> right, thanks :-)
>
>>
>> From Durham,
>> Gregory.
>>
>> On 1 June 2016 at 19:43, Christian Ledermann 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> A Test version is now available online at http://schools.mapthe.uk/
>>> You need an account on http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ to test the
>>> application
>>> It will not modify any data on the live server only on the test server!
>>> You can test away without being afraid to destroy anything.
>>>
>>> On 9 May 2016 at 11:01, Christian Ledermann
>>>  wrote:
>>> > I updated the https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop
>>> > branch with your comments
>>> >
>>> > On 6 May 2016 at 21:16, Eric Grosso  wrote:
>>> >> Thanks a lot.
>>> >>
>>> >> Some feedback about your code:
>>> >> - "import urllib" is missing in fabfile.py
>>> >> - the code fails to create the schools.osm file:
>>> >> * the data/osm repository is missing and needs to be created
>>> >> * in this line: schools_file =  open(os.path.join(PROJECT_DIR, 'data',
>>> >> 'osm', 'schools.osm'), 'r') --> 'r' should be replaced by 'w'
>>> >> - the last part of your message (in link with seeddata2015.csv) should
>>> >> be
>>> >> added is added to the documentation as it helps a lot.
>>> >>
>>> >> I encountered another problem during the import. I'm going to look at
>>> >> it
>>> >> later.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks again.
>>> >>
>>> >> Eric
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 6 May 2016 at 13:25, Christian Ledermann
>>> >> 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> from https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendatadownload/products.html
>>> >>>
>>> >>> you have to download the
>>> >>>
>>> >>> `OS Open Map - Local` (all squares) and `Code-Point® Open` Products
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop has a
>>> >>> sligtly improved documentation
>>> >>>
>>> >>> you will also need the csv files from EduBase and seed for the
>>> >>> schooldata
>>> >>>
>>> >>> `All EduBase data.csv` from
>>> >>> http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/home.xhtml
>>> >>> and
>>> >>> `School contact details` from
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/School-Education/Datasets/contactdetails
>>> >>>
>>> >>> the latter is in excel format and has to be converted into csv before
>>> >>> using it. The headers must be:
>>> >>>'SeedCode',
>>> >>> 'LA Name',
>>> >>> 'Centre Type',
>>> >>> 'School Name',
>>> >>> 'Address 1',
>>> >>> 'Address 2',
>>> >>> 'Address 3',
>>> >>> 'Post code',
>>> >>> 'E-mail',
>>> >>> 'Phone',
>>> >>> 'Primary_school',
>>> >>> 'Secondary',
>>> >>> 'Special',
>>> >>> 'Primary roll',
>>> >>> 'Secondary roll',
>>> >>> 'Special roll',
>>> >>> 'Primary1',
>>> >>> 'Secondary1',
>>> >>> 'Special1',
>>> >>> 'Denomination'
>>> >>> so rename them accordingly and remove the columns not included here.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 6 May 2016 at 12:51, Eric Grosso  wrote:
>>> >>> > Hi Christian,
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Thanks for this app.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > I'm trying to install it but it requires this file:
>>> >>> > opmplc_essh_nt.zip.
>>> >>> > Could you please tell me where this file comes from (as it isn't
>>> >>> > mentionned
>>> >>> > in the documentation). Thanks.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Cheers,
>>> >>> > Eric
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > On 6 May 2016 at 09:36, Christian Ledermann
>>> >>> > 
>>> >>> > wrote:
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> On 6 May 2016 at 08:42, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>>> >>> >> > Hi Christian
>>> >>> >> >
>>> >>> >> > Would love to test your app but too much technical ability
>>> >>> >> > required
>>> >>> >> > for
>>> >>> >> > the
>>> >>> >> > preconditions to run the app. Can't we just have a browser-based
>>> >>> >> > app
>>> >>> >> > that
>>> >>> >> > ordinary folk can use?
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> Yes this is the plan :-) I have to secure some hosting and deploy
>>> >>> >> it.
>>> >>>

Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

2016-06-01 Thread Christian Ledermann 
On 1 June 2016 at 21:21, Gregory Marler  wrote:
> I see you suitably have a created_by=osmoapi tag on the changeset.
>
> Having a source= tag on the the changeset and/or created object would be
> good.

source would be edubase/seed+osopen ?

what do you think about a rel:os-open:functionalsite = id?

>
> I also noticed a blank website tag got added, can you check tags this might
> happen to and not add them if blank. E.g.
> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/relation/4300905032

right, thanks :-)

>
> From Durham,
> Gregory.
>
> On 1 June 2016 at 19:43, Christian Ledermann 
> wrote:
>>
>> A Test version is now available online at http://schools.mapthe.uk/
>> You need an account on http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ to test the
>> application
>> It will not modify any data on the live server only on the test server!
>> You can test away without being afraid to destroy anything.
>>
>> On 9 May 2016 at 11:01, Christian Ledermann
>>  wrote:
>> > I updated the https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop
>> > branch with your comments
>> >
>> > On 6 May 2016 at 21:16, Eric Grosso  wrote:
>> >> Thanks a lot.
>> >>
>> >> Some feedback about your code:
>> >> - "import urllib" is missing in fabfile.py
>> >> - the code fails to create the schools.osm file:
>> >> * the data/osm repository is missing and needs to be created
>> >> * in this line: schools_file =  open(os.path.join(PROJECT_DIR, 'data',
>> >> 'osm', 'schools.osm'), 'r') --> 'r' should be replaced by 'w'
>> >> - the last part of your message (in link with seeddata2015.csv) should
>> >> be
>> >> added is added to the documentation as it helps a lot.
>> >>
>> >> I encountered another problem during the import. I'm going to look at
>> >> it
>> >> later.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks again.
>> >>
>> >> Eric
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 6 May 2016 at 13:25, Christian Ledermann
>> >> 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> from https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendatadownload/products.html
>> >>>
>> >>> you have to download the
>> >>>
>> >>> `OS Open Map - Local` (all squares) and `Code-Point® Open` Products
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop has a
>> >>> sligtly improved documentation
>> >>>
>> >>> you will also need the csv files from EduBase and seed for the
>> >>> schooldata
>> >>>
>> >>> `All EduBase data.csv` from
>> >>> http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/home.xhtml
>> >>> and
>> >>> `School contact details` from
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/School-Education/Datasets/contactdetails
>> >>>
>> >>> the latter is in excel format and has to be converted into csv before
>> >>> using it. The headers must be:
>> >>>'SeedCode',
>> >>> 'LA Name',
>> >>> 'Centre Type',
>> >>> 'School Name',
>> >>> 'Address 1',
>> >>> 'Address 2',
>> >>> 'Address 3',
>> >>> 'Post code',
>> >>> 'E-mail',
>> >>> 'Phone',
>> >>> 'Primary_school',
>> >>> 'Secondary',
>> >>> 'Special',
>> >>> 'Primary roll',
>> >>> 'Secondary roll',
>> >>> 'Special roll',
>> >>> 'Primary1',
>> >>> 'Secondary1',
>> >>> 'Special1',
>> >>> 'Denomination'
>> >>> so rename them accordingly and remove the columns not included here.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 6 May 2016 at 12:51, Eric Grosso  wrote:
>> >>> > Hi Christian,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Thanks for this app.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I'm trying to install it but it requires this file:
>> >>> > opmplc_essh_nt.zip.
>> >>> > Could you please tell me where this file comes from (as it isn't
>> >>> > mentionned
>> >>> > in the documentation). Thanks.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Cheers,
>> >>> > Eric
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On 6 May 2016 at 09:36, Christian Ledermann
>> >>> > 
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On 6 May 2016 at 08:42, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>> >>> >> > Hi Christian
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Would love to test your app but too much technical ability
>> >>> >> > required
>> >>> >> > for
>> >>> >> > the
>> >>> >> > preconditions to run the app. Can't we just have a browser-based
>> >>> >> > app
>> >>> >> > that
>> >>> >> > ordinary folk can use?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Yes this is the plan :-) I have to secure some hosting and deploy
>> >>> >> it.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Right now the product is still unfinished and I was looking for
>> >>> >> some
>> >>> >> early feedback
>> >>> >> so I would not be barking up the wrong tree
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Regards
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Brian
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > On 5 May 2016 at 18:53, Christian

Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

2016-06-01 Thread Christian Ledermann 
A Test version is now available online at http://schools.mapthe.uk/
You need an account on http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ to test the
application
It will not modify any data on the live server only on the test server!
You can test away without being afraid to destroy anything.

On 9 May 2016 at 11:01, Christian Ledermann
 wrote:
> I updated the https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop
> branch with your comments
>
> On 6 May 2016 at 21:16, Eric Grosso  wrote:
>> Thanks a lot.
>>
>> Some feedback about your code:
>> - "import urllib" is missing in fabfile.py
>> - the code fails to create the schools.osm file:
>> * the data/osm repository is missing and needs to be created
>> * in this line: schools_file =  open(os.path.join(PROJECT_DIR, 'data',
>> 'osm', 'schools.osm'), 'r') --> 'r' should be replaced by 'w'
>> - the last part of your message (in link with seeddata2015.csv) should be
>> added is added to the documentation as it helps a lot.
>>
>> I encountered another problem during the import. I'm going to look at it
>> later.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6 May 2016 at 13:25, Christian Ledermann 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> from https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendatadownload/products.html
>>>
>>> you have to download the
>>>
>>> `OS Open Map - Local` (all squares) and `Code-Point® Open` Products
>>>
>>>
>>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop has a
>>> sligtly improved documentation
>>>
>>> you will also need the csv files from EduBase and seed for the schooldata
>>>
>>> `All EduBase data.csv` from http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/home.xhtml
>>> and
>>> `School contact details` from
>>>
>>> http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/School-Education/Datasets/contactdetails
>>>
>>> the latter is in excel format and has to be converted into csv before
>>> using it. The headers must be:
>>>'SeedCode',
>>> 'LA Name',
>>> 'Centre Type',
>>> 'School Name',
>>> 'Address 1',
>>> 'Address 2',
>>> 'Address 3',
>>> 'Post code',
>>> 'E-mail',
>>> 'Phone',
>>> 'Primary_school',
>>> 'Secondary',
>>> 'Special',
>>> 'Primary roll',
>>> 'Secondary roll',
>>> 'Special roll',
>>> 'Primary1',
>>> 'Secondary1',
>>> 'Special1',
>>> 'Denomination'
>>> so rename them accordingly and remove the columns not included here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6 May 2016 at 12:51, Eric Grosso  wrote:
>>> > Hi Christian,
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for this app.
>>> >
>>> > I'm trying to install it but it requires this file: opmplc_essh_nt.zip.
>>> > Could you please tell me where this file comes from (as it isn't
>>> > mentionned
>>> > in the documentation). Thanks.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Eric
>>> >
>>> > On 6 May 2016 at 09:36, Christian Ledermann
>>> > 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On 6 May 2016 at 08:42, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>>> >> > Hi Christian
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Would love to test your app but too much technical ability required
>>> >> > for
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > preconditions to run the app. Can't we just have a browser-based app
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > ordinary folk can use?
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes this is the plan :-) I have to secure some hosting and deploy it.
>>> >>
>>> >> Right now the product is still unfinished and I was looking for some
>>> >> early feedback
>>> >> so I would not be barking up the wrong tree
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Regards
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Brian
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On 5 May 2016 at 18:53, Christian Ledermann
>>> >> > 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Hi,
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I developed an application that enables to compare OSM,
>>> >> >> Ordonancesurvey, Edubase and SEED data.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Please have a look and let me know what you think.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> --
>>> >> >> Best Regards,
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Christian Ledermann
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>>> >> >> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>>> >> >> https://github.com/cleder/
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> <*)))>{
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have
>>> >> >> left,
>>> >> >> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But
>>> >> >> If
>>> >> >> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose
>>> >> >> both.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> 3) Don’t change

Re: [Talk-GB] Purton Hulks

2016-06-01 Thread Brian Prangle 
If you go to OSM's sister project openseamap you'll find they have a tag
for hulk

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Seamarks/Seamark_Objects

Regards

Brian

On 1 June 2016 at 12:12, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> The Purton Hulks:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purton_Hulks
>
> are a set of boats, which have been deliberately beached on the banks
> of the River Severn, to reinforce the river banks.
>
> The author of the above Wikipedia article and I would like to mark
> each individual hulk on OSM, and to include their coordinates in the
> Wikipedia article.
>
> A Bristol University Survey map of 1996 is on page 6 of:
>
>
> http://nauticalarchaeologysociety.org/sites/default/files/u9/purton_report_2008.pdf
>
> Some of the hulks are visible in Bing imagery.
>
> Can anyone assist? How should they be tagged?
>
> --
> Andy Mabbett
> @pigsonthewing
> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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Re: [Talk-GB] Purton Hulks

2016-06-01 Thread Andy Robinson 
In a prior life I worked for an engineering firm who's boss was a keen sailor, 
as was the chief engineer. They decided to build concrete sailing yachts based 
on an Australian design. One got built but alas that’s as far as it went.

Cheers
Andy

-Original Message-
From: Tom Hughes [mailto:t...@compton.nu] 
Sent: 01 June 2016 12:41
To: Andy Mabbett; Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Purton Hulks

On 01/06/16 12:12, Andy Mabbett wrote:

> The Purton Hulks:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purton_Hulks
>
> are a set of boats, which have been deliberately beached on the banks 
> of the River Severn, to reinforce the river banks.
>
> The author of the above Wikipedia article and I would like to mark 
> each individual hulk on OSM, and to include their coordinates in the 
> Wikipedia article.
>
> A Bristol University Survey map of 1996 is on page 6 of:
>
>
> http://nauticalarchaeologysociety.org/sites/default/files/u9/purton_re
> port_2008.pdf
>
> Some of the hulks are visible in Bing imagery.
>
> Can anyone assist? How should they be tagged?

I suggest barge=concrete ;-)

Not that I had any trouble believing you could make ships out of concrete or 
anything when I first heard about them as a teenager.

Tom

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Re: [Talk-GB] Purton Hulks

2016-06-01 Thread Jez Nicholson 
is it not a historic=wreck ?

I also think that The Purton Hulks makes a great name for a Rugby League
team ;)

On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 at 13:51 Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> On 1 June 2016 at 12:40, Tom Hughes  wrote:
>
> >> How should they be tagged?
>
> > I suggest barge=concrete ;-)
>
> Even the wooden and steel ones?
>
> --
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> @pigsonthewing
> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fwd: Re: June Meeting

2016-06-01 Thread Rob Nickerson 
Forward to list
-- Forwarded message --
From: "Rob Nickerson" 
Date: 1 Jun 2016 1:51 p.m.
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] June Meeting
To: "Brian Prangle" 
Cc:

I can't make this Saturday but can do the others. On 25th I'd need to be
back by 5pm but that's OK.

Rob
On 1 Jun 2016 1:37 p.m., "Brian Prangle"  wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> Remember there's no monthly evening meeting this week as we decided to go
> to Kidderminster on a Saturday.
>
> How about dates for this?  I can't make either June 11th or June 18th
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
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Re: [Talk-GB] Purton Hulks

2016-06-01 Thread Andy Mabbett 
On 1 June 2016 at 12:40, Tom Hughes  wrote:

>> How should they be tagged?

> I suggest barge=concrete ;-)

Even the wooden and steel ones?

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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] June Meeting

2016-06-01 Thread Brian Prangle 
Hi everyone

Remember there's no monthly evening meeting this week as we decided to go
to Kidderminster on a Saturday.

How about dates for this?  I can't make either June 11th or June 18th

Regards

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Re: [Talk-GB] Purton Hulks

2016-06-01 Thread Tom Hughes 

On 01/06/16 12:12, Andy Mabbett wrote:


The Purton Hulks:

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purton_Hulks

are a set of boats, which have been deliberately beached on the banks
of the River Severn, to reinforce the river banks.

The author of the above Wikipedia article and I would like to mark
each individual hulk on OSM, and to include their coordinates in the
Wikipedia article.

A Bristol University Survey map of 1996 is on page 6 of:

   
http://nauticalarchaeologysociety.org/sites/default/files/u9/purton_report_2008.pdf

Some of the hulks are visible in Bing imagery.

Can anyone assist? How should they be tagged?


I suggest barge=concrete ;-)

Not that I had any trouble believing you could make ships out of 
concrete or anything when I first heard about them as a teenager.


Tom

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