Re: [Talk-GB] OSM UK chapter

[Rob Nickerson]

>At our first meeting, which really needs to be in a couple months from
incorporation, there will be a mass resignation and proper elections.

For those who hadn't realised, the "mass resignation" is a requirement of
the AoA to ensure we have fair elections at that first meeting. It's not a
sign that we have lost interest in this. Far from it, I'm more convinced
that this (setting up an organisation) is the right thing to do in order to
help build a larger community of mappers than ever before!

Best regards,
Rob
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

[Christian Ledermann]

On 2 June 2016 at 21:04, Gregory Marler  wrote:
> So the polygon is from the OS open data?
>
>> what do you think about a rel:os-open:functionalsite = id?
> I don't think OS open data counts as the functional site, I think it is a
> poor-quality(or low-resolution?) of the school property/boundary and so
> doesn't need special tags beyond source (additionally add
> source:outline=os_open if you really wish).

functionalsite refers to the os-open name of the shapefile

>
>
> I think your tool would be better if it clearly said "The highlighted
> polygon will be ADDED to OpenStreetMap. If a school outline is already shown
> on the base map behind, then you should manually add the tags (& edubase
> reference manually) to that object."
>

good idea, thanks :-)

> Others on this list/community may have concerns, they should speak up or it
> relies on the OSM Imports mailing list being sure this is suitable.
> Can someone confirm that we do have copyright permission/ability for the
> Edubase data? I.e. we can do go beyond "using it to conduct a survey, or add
> only the ref" and we can directly add all those attributes with an import
> tool?

http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/about.xhtml
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(other than Departmental logos) may be reproduced free of charge in
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>
>
> From two roads away from a local primary school,
> Gregory.
>
>
>
> On 2 June 2016 at 20:31, Christian Ledermann 
> wrote:
>>
>> As schools.mapthe.uk is an import project to osm:
>>
>>  Does the community `buy in` to this approach?
>>  Can I go forward to contacting osm imports?
>>  What would you like to see as improvements?
>>
>> As usual silence counts as approval ;-)
>>
>> On 1 June 2016 at 21:41, Christian Ledermann
>>  wrote:
>> > about operator tag
>> > should this be the trust in case of an academy and the LA else?
>> >
>> > On 1 June 2016 at 21:32, Christian Ledermann
>> >  wrote:
>> >> On 1 June 2016 at 21:21, Gregory Marler  wrote:
>> >>> I see you suitably have a created_by=osmoapi tag on the changeset.
>> >>>
>> >>> Having a source= tag on the the changeset and/or created object would
>> >>> be
>> >>> good.
>> >>
>> >> source would be edubase/seed+osopen ?
>> >>
>> >> what do you think about a rel:os-open:functionalsite = id?
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> I also noticed a blank website tag got added, can you check tags this
>> >>> might
>> >>> happen to and not add them if blank. E.g.
>> >>> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/relation/4300905032
>> >>
>> >> right, thanks :-)
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> From Durham,
>> >>> Gregory.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 1 June 2016 at 19:43, Christian Ledermann
>> >>> 
>> >>> wrote:
>> 
>>  A Test version is now available online at http://schools.mapthe.uk/
>>  You need an account on http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ to test
>>  the
>>  application
>>  It will not modify any data on the live server only on the test
>>  server!
>>  You can test away without being afraid to destroy anything.
>> 
>>  On 9 May 2016 at 11:01, Christian Ledermann
>>   wrote:
>>  > I updated the
>>  > https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop
>>  > branch with your comments
>>  >
>>  > On 6 May 2016 at 21:16, Eric Grosso 
>>  > wrote:
>>  >> Thanks a lot.
>>  >>
>>  >> Some feedback about your code:
>>  >> - "import urllib" is missing in fabfile.py
>>  >> - the code fails to create the schools.osm file:
>>  >> * the data/osm repository is missing and needs to be created
>>  >> * in this line: schools_file =  open(os.path.join(PROJECT_DIR,
>>  >> 'data',
>>  >> 'osm', 'schools.osm'), 'r') --> 'r' should be replaced by 'w'
>>  >> - the last part of your message (in link with seeddata2015.csv)
>>  >> should
>>  >> be
>>  >> added is added to the documentation as it helps a lot.
>>  >>
>>  >> I encountered another problem during the import. I'm going to look
>>  >> at
>>  >> it
>>  >> later.
>>  >>
>>  >> Thanks again.
>>  >>
>>  >> Eric
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >> On 6 May 2016 at 13:25, Christian Ledermann
>>  >> 
>>  >> wrote:
>>  >>>
>>  >>> from
>>  >>> https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendatadownload/products.html
>>  >>>
>>  >>> you have to download the
>>  >>>
>>  >>> `OS Open Map - Local` (all squares) and `Code-Point® Open`
>>  >>> Products
>>  >>>
>>  >>>
>>  >>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop has a
>>  >>> sligtly improved 

Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

[Christian Ledermann]

As schools.mapthe.uk is an import project to osm:

 Does the community `buy in` to this approach?
 Can I go forward to contacting osm imports?
 What would you like to see as improvements?

As usual silence counts as approval ;-)

On 1 June 2016 at 21:41, Christian Ledermann
 wrote:
> about operator tag
> should this be the trust in case of an academy and the LA else?
>
> On 1 June 2016 at 21:32, Christian Ledermann
>  wrote:
>> On 1 June 2016 at 21:21, Gregory Marler  wrote:
>>> I see you suitably have a created_by=osmoapi tag on the changeset.
>>>
>>> Having a source= tag on the the changeset and/or created object would be
>>> good.
>>
>> source would be edubase/seed+osopen ?
>>
>> what do you think about a rel:os-open:functionalsite = id?
>>
>>>
>>> I also noticed a blank website tag got added, can you check tags this might
>>> happen to and not add them if blank. E.g.
>>> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/relation/4300905032
>>
>> right, thanks :-)
>>
>>>
>>> From Durham,
>>> Gregory.
>>>
>>> On 1 June 2016 at 19:43, Christian Ledermann 
>>> wrote:

 A Test version is now available online at http://schools.mapthe.uk/
 You need an account on http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ to test the
 application
 It will not modify any data on the live server only on the test server!
 You can test away without being afraid to destroy anything.

 On 9 May 2016 at 11:01, Christian Ledermann
  wrote:
 > I updated the https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop
 > branch with your comments
 >
 > On 6 May 2016 at 21:16, Eric Grosso  wrote:
 >> Thanks a lot.
 >>
 >> Some feedback about your code:
 >> - "import urllib" is missing in fabfile.py
 >> - the code fails to create the schools.osm file:
 >> * the data/osm repository is missing and needs to be created
 >> * in this line: schools_file =  open(os.path.join(PROJECT_DIR, 'data',
 >> 'osm', 'schools.osm'), 'r') --> 'r' should be replaced by 'w'
 >> - the last part of your message (in link with seeddata2015.csv) should
 >> be
 >> added is added to the documentation as it helps a lot.
 >>
 >> I encountered another problem during the import. I'm going to look at
 >> it
 >> later.
 >>
 >> Thanks again.
 >>
 >> Eric
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> On 6 May 2016 at 13:25, Christian Ledermann
 >> 
 >> wrote:
 >>>
 >>> from https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendatadownload/products.html
 >>>
 >>> you have to download the
 >>>
 >>> `OS Open Map - Local` (all squares) and `Code-Point® Open` Products
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop has a
 >>> sligtly improved documentation
 >>>
 >>> you will also need the csv files from EduBase and seed for the
 >>> schooldata
 >>>
 >>> `All EduBase data.csv` from
 >>> http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/home.xhtml
 >>> and
 >>> `School contact details` from
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/School-Education/Datasets/contactdetails
 >>>
 >>> the latter is in excel format and has to be converted into csv before
 >>> using it. The headers must be:
 >>>'SeedCode',
 >>> 'LA Name',
 >>> 'Centre Type',
 >>> 'School Name',
 >>> 'Address 1',
 >>> 'Address 2',
 >>> 'Address 3',
 >>> 'Post code',
 >>> 'E-mail',
 >>> 'Phone',
 >>> 'Primary_school',
 >>> 'Secondary',
 >>> 'Special',
 >>> 'Primary roll',
 >>> 'Secondary roll',
 >>> 'Special roll',
 >>> 'Primary1',
 >>> 'Secondary1',
 >>> 'Special1',
 >>> 'Denomination'
 >>> so rename them accordingly and remove the columns not included here.
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> On 6 May 2016 at 12:51, Eric Grosso  wrote:
 >>> > Hi Christian,
 >>> >
 >>> > Thanks for this app.
 >>> >
 >>> > I'm trying to install it but it requires this file:
 >>> > opmplc_essh_nt.zip.
 >>> > Could you please tell me where this file comes from (as it isn't
 >>> > mentionned
 >>> > in the documentation). Thanks.
 >>> >
 >>> > Cheers,
 >>> > Eric
 >>> >
 >>> > On 6 May 2016 at 09:36, Christian Ledermann
 >>> > 
 >>> > wrote:
 >>> >>
 >>> >> On 6 May 2016 at 08:42, Brian Prangle 

[Talk-GB] OSM UK chapter

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

The silence over the last few weeks doen't mean nothing has been happening!
Jerry, Rob and myself have gone through the AoA and got to a final working
document. Rob will tidy this up over the next week (checking para nos,
typos etc) and it will be up for your inspection.

At this stage, I feel we really don't want to debate individual points
again- there may be stuff we could improve but we could be at this forever.
We really need to get cracking with the formal stuff of applying to
Companies House and get rolling with the interesting stuff. So please think
twice before objecting to anything- if you can live with it,  please do so;
and hope that the scenario you envisage or  the fear you have doesn't
materialise. (That's very much the approach we adopted in order to get to a
final set of AoA) If they do, you can say "I told you so": OSMUK will get
through the sticky patch maybe not in the most efficient way, but it will.
It will down to mobilising the community to meet the challenge.

The next step is to get a pro bono legal review of the AoA to ensure we
haven't done anything that Companies House will object to and then send off
the docs.(Anyone either a lawyer or has a good contact willing to work for
free for an hour?)

 For initial incorporation we need  5 initial directors -  we've had four
volunteers so far (Rob,Jerry,Greg and myself) - so we need those four to
confirm that their volunteering still stands and one more. Offers? At this
stage being a director is a paper exercise to get the forms completed. At
our first meeting, which really needs to be in a couple months from
incorporation, there will be  a mass resignation and proper elections.

Is this a good time to activate Dennis's OSMUK blog to start discussing
what we want to do as a progamme of activity, so that a wider audience than
talk-gb can participate?

Regards

Brian
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Summer Programme

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

Can we go for this?

Sat 25 June Kidderminster - map in the morning, meet for lunch 1pm ish in
the Severn Valley Railway Station Cafe next to Kidderminster Station

Wed July 6 Tamworth - meet in The Globe Inn

August - we need to fix a Saturday for WR10 Pershore- any offers?

Regards

Brian
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Re: [Talk-GB] Purton Hulks

[Malcolm Herring]

On 02/06/2016 10:10, Jez Nicholson wrote:

I'm guessing that the Malcolm H. responding here is the Malcolmh OSM
User involved with openseamapif so, could you tell us whether
seamark tags are specifically for known/acknowledged navigation objects
or whether anything visible from the sea can be a seamark?


I am he! A seamark is any object of navigational importance. Onshore 
wrecks, such as the Purton Hulks, do not fall into this category as they 
are not a hazard to navigation. I suggest that these objects be tagged 
as historical wrecks.




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Re: [Talk-GB] Purton Hulks

[Jez Nicholson]

I'm guessing that the Malcolm H. responding here is the Malcolmh OSM User
involved with openseamapif so, could you tell us whether seamark tags
are specifically for known/acknowledged navigation objects or whether
anything visible from the sea can be a seamark?

On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 at 09:45 Brian Prangle  wrote:

> Should have looked one menu down to see the substructure! Currently the
> only hulk tags are for floating objects, so I suggest start a new hulk tag
> for sunken breakwater. These objects are clearly hulks so the tagging
> scheme needs to be extended.
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
> On 1 June 2016 at 22:55, Malcolm Herring 
> wrote:
>
>> On 01/06/2016 17:37, Brian Prangle wrote:
>>
>>> If you go to OSM's sister project openseamap you'll find they have a tag
>>> for hulk
>>>
>>
>> Those tags are not suitable for the objects described in the OP. All the
>> categories of seamark:type=hulk are floating objects, whereas the Purton
>> Hulks are beached & non-floatable.
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Purton Hulks

[Brian Prangle]

Should have looked one menu down to see the substructure! Currently the
only hulk tags are for floating objects, so I suggest start a new hulk tag
for sunken breakwater. These objects are clearly hulks so the tagging
scheme needs to be extended.

Regards

Brian

On 1 June 2016 at 22:55, Malcolm Herring 
wrote:

> On 01/06/2016 17:37, Brian Prangle wrote:
>
>> If you go to OSM's sister project openseamap you'll find they have a tag
>> for hulk
>>
>
> Those tags are not suitable for the objects described in the OP. All the
> categories of seamark:type=hulk are floating objects, whereas the Purton
> Hulks are beached & non-floatable.
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Defibrillator Mapping

[Ed Loach]

I've just emailed the East of England Ambulance Service to let them know their 
current worksheet of locations has the postcode of the Wivenhoe Co-Op store 
against both the Wivenhoe location and the Brightlingsea location (which should 
be CO7 0BT).

Discrepancy spotted thanks to
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/defib/progress/CO/

Best wishes,

Ed


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