[Talk-gb-westmidlands] FW: [OpenStreetMap UK - General] Ordnance Survey Releases Open Dataset and Free Map of Britain’s Greenspaces

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[Talk-GB] FW: [OpenStreetMap UK - General] Ordnance Survey Releases Open Dataset and Free Map of Britain’s Greenspaces

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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Summer 2017 July-Sept

[David Woolley]

On 11/07/17 16:38, David Woolley wrote:

notices about "Withdrawal of Implied Permission", e.g.



This is a clearer version, both in terms of the sharpness of the image, 
and in terms of its presentation of the actual legal status: 



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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Summer 2017 July-Sept

[David Woolley]

On 11/07/17 14:37, SK53 wrote:

public rights of way through stations (i.e., notional places on stations
where you don't need a ticket). Paul Sladen defended the one
 at Nottingham station. Here
I think 'duck' tagging is the way to proceed, so entrances from the
street should be tagged not tops of stairs from the PRoW.


There is no public right of way simply because you are outside the 
ticket line.  Access is generally "permissive".  In fact, a number of 
big stations now have notices about "Withdrawal of Implied Permission", 
e.g. 
, 
which clearly indicate that the operator thinks that access is only 
permissive.


There may be cases where a public right of way does pass through a 
station, but that will generally be a narrow corridor, not the whole 
concourse.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Summer 2017 July-Sept

[Paul Berry]

Similarly, there is debate as to whether the main concourse bridge at
Sheffield station is a PRoW (http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/22979084).
This is partly why there are no automated ticket barriers at Sheffield
(yet).

Regards,
*Paul*

On 11 July 2017 at 12:16, SK53  wrote:

> I'd look to ask some of the people involved in the Transilien project in
> France, perhaps Florian Lainez as he's an ex Mappa Mercian. Judging by
> taginfo  they use
> railway=train_station_entrance (so much for British english in tags),
> probably in conjunction with entrance=*.
>
> SNCF even have an internal app called mapmygare for adding station
> details: there is some hope that they may open-source it.
>
> A couple of other points about station entrances:
>
>- (Obvious) accessibility info is useful
>- ticket barriers (presence or not) where these are close to or part
>of the entrance
>- opening hours for side entrances (& possibly for ticket barriers
>too, suburban stations often leave them open after staff have finished 
> work)
>- presence of an intercom (e.g., on E-side of Horsham station) to get
>someone to let you through the barrier
>- public rights of way through stations (i.e., notional places on
>stations where you don't need a ticket). Paul Sladen defended the one
> at Nottingham station.
>Here I think 'duck' tagging is the way to proceed, so entrances from the
>street should be tagged not tops of stairs from the PRoW.
>
> Please also count steps on bridges/subways etc: typically they are 10, 12
> or 16 treads to a flight. From personal experience the length a flight is
> as important as the total number of steps: one can take a breather at the
> end of each flight. So 24 steps in one run are a completely different
> matter from 2 flights of 12.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jerry
>
> Jerry
>
> On 11 July 2017 at 07:50, Jez Nicholson  wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Please be adding your snippets of knowledges, tag details, and activity
>> descriptions to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_2017_Q3_Project:_B
>> us_Route_Relations_%26_Station_Entrances so that the less initiated can
>> pick a thing to do.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jez
>>
>> On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 at 23:35 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11-Jul-17 03:03 AM, Andy Townsend wrote:
>>> > On 10/07/2017 14:26, Stuart Reynolds wrote:
>>> >> I have also come across several styles of station tagging, even in my
>>> >> local (single line) area.
>>> >
>>> > What'd be really useful, actually, would someone pointing at a good
>>> > "example station" in an OSM diary entry or similar and explain how the
>>> > various bits are tagged (without getting into the holy wars about
>>> > public transport v1 and v2 route tagging, if possible).
>>>
>>> +1. Even a reasonable example where a 'good' example cannot be found.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Summer 2017 July-Sept

[Dave F]

I gave up updating bus routes after I was informed by Traveline they had 
no intention of using the data in OSM. I felt my time would be better 
spent on other projects.


DaveF


On 10/07/2017 12:51, Brian Prangle wrote:

Hi everyone

This will be to improve bus route relations and station entrances, by 
popular vote on OSMUK Loomio channel.


Bus route relations can be tricky for the uninitiated ( and even for 
the initiated ) so perhaps this quarterly project could do with its 
own wiki page, pointing to existing tutorials or developing some new 
ones. Any volunteers?


Regards

Brian



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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Summer 2017 July-Sept

[SK53]

I'd look to ask some of the people involved in the Transilien project in
France, perhaps Florian Lainez as he's an ex Mappa Mercian. Judging by
taginfo  they use
railway=train_station_entrance (so much for British english in tags),
probably in conjunction with entrance=*.

SNCF even have an internal app called mapmygare for adding station details:
there is some hope that they may open-source it.

A couple of other points about station entrances:

   - (Obvious) accessibility info is useful
   - ticket barriers (presence or not) where these are close to or part of
   the entrance
   - opening hours for side entrances (& possibly for ticket barriers too,
   suburban stations often leave them open after staff have finished work)
   - presence of an intercom (e.g., on E-side of Horsham station) to get
   someone to let you through the barrier
   - public rights of way through stations (i.e., notional places on
   stations where you don't need a ticket). Paul Sladen defended the one
    at Nottingham station. Here
   I think 'duck' tagging is the way to proceed, so entrances from the street
   should be tagged not tops of stairs from the PRoW.

Please also count steps on bridges/subways etc: typically they are 10, 12
or 16 treads to a flight. From personal experience the length a flight is
as important as the total number of steps: one can take a breather at the
end of each flight. So 24 steps in one run are a completely different
matter from 2 flights of 12.

Cheers,

Jerry

Jerry

On 11 July 2017 at 07:50, Jez Nicholson  wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> Please be adding your snippets of knowledges, tag details, and activity
> descriptions to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_2017_Q3_Project:_
> Bus_Route_Relations_%26_Station_Entrances so that the less initiated can
> pick a thing to do.
>
> Regards,
> Jez
>
> On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 at 23:35 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11-Jul-17 03:03 AM, Andy Townsend wrote:
>> > On 10/07/2017 14:26, Stuart Reynolds wrote:
>> >> I have also come across several styles of station tagging, even in my
>> >> local (single line) area.
>> >
>> > What'd be really useful, actually, would someone pointing at a good
>> > "example station" in an OSM diary entry or similar and explain how the
>> > various bits are tagged (without getting into the holy wars about
>> > public transport v1 and v2 route tagging, if possible).
>>
>> +1. Even a reasonable example where a 'good' example cannot be found.
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Summer 2017 July-Sept

[Jez Nicholson]

Dear All,

Please be adding your snippets of knowledges, tag details, and activity
descriptions to
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_2017_Q3_Project:_Bus_Route_Relations_%26_Station_Entrances
so
that the less initiated can pick a thing to do.

Regards,
Jez

On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 at 23:35 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 11-Jul-17 03:03 AM, Andy Townsend wrote:
> > On 10/07/2017 14:26, Stuart Reynolds wrote:
> >> I have also come across several styles of station tagging, even in my
> >> local (single line) area.
> >
> > What'd be really useful, actually, would someone pointing at a good
> > "example station" in an OSM diary entry or similar and explain how the
> > various bits are tagged (without getting into the holy wars about
> > public transport v1 and v2 route tagging, if possible).
>
> +1. Even a reasonable example where a 'good' example cannot be found.
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