[Talk-GB] Types of Kissing Gates

[SK53]

Whilst we tag different types of stiles, I'm not aware that we
differentiate different kinds of kissing gates.

Yesterday visiting Clumber Park to participate in a National Trust path
mapping briefing we saw three distinct kinds, to which I've added a fourth:


   1.  A traditional wooden kissing gate with a triangular cross-section.
   Generally now replaced by 2.
   2. A metal kissing gate with a circular cross-section
   3.  As for 2, but substantially larger, with the gate part able to be
   opened entirely with a RADAR key for wheelchair access (including, I think,
   powered ones).
   4.  A large wooden one with the central gate being of the size of a
   traditional farm gate, locking into a latch at either end of it's swing.
   (Probably really need to find a picture)

Obviously we can use material and wheelchair tags to capture some of these
differences, but it might be worth having a kissing_gate tag to separate
them more clearly.

Any thoughts?

Jerry
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Re: [Talk-GB] Strava heatmaps - permission reconfirmed

[Michael Booth]

Just tried it and it works for me. The cookies have an expiry date of +7 
days so I think you need to change the policy and signature in the url 
regularly.


Log in to Strava, in Chrome go to 
chrome://settings/cookies/detail?site=strava.com, then click on the 
CloudFront-Key-Pair-Id cookie and copy the "Content" value. Paste it 
into the Key-Pair-Id value below and do the same for signature and policy.


tms[3,15]:https://heatmap-external-{switch:a,b,c}.strava.com/tiles-auth/both/bluered/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png?Key-Pair-Id=&Signature=&Policy=

On 19/11/2019 19:55, Philip Barnes wrote:

On Mon, 2019-11-18 at 17:28 +, Michael Booth wrote:
Only problem is that Strava's iD fork includes the low-res heatmap 
tiles, plus I don't think the Slide tool works anymore and it's a 
really old version of iD.


The high-res heatmap tiles can be used in JOSM however, by creating a 
Strava account and following the guide at: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Strava#High-res_Global_Heatmap_in_JOSM



Has anyone been able to get this to work recently.

I have retrieved the cookie information, using both firefox and 
chrome, but the fields do not match those in the instructions.


  * CloudFront-Key-Pair-Id
  * CloudFront-Policy
  * CloudFront-Signature


Phil (trigpoint)

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Re: [Talk-GB] Types of Kissing Gates

[Tony OSM]

Happy with a kissing_gate tag that could combine these variations.

Can we also discuss paths/tracks which have a vehicle gate and a 
pedestrian gate alongside each other. Is it one complex gate? or for 
routing do we have to place two gates and draw paths through each?


Personally I just need to know what is the agreed method.

Regards

TonyS999

On 20/11/2019 11:35, SK53 wrote:
Whilst we tag different types of stiles, I'm not aware that we 
differentiate different kinds of kissing gates.


Yesterday visiting Clumber Park to participate in a National Trust 
path mapping briefing we saw three distinct kinds, to which I've added 
a fourth:


 1.  A traditional wooden kissing gate with a triangular
cross-section. Generally now replaced by 2.
 2. A metal kissing gate with a circular cross-section
 3.  As for 2, but substantially larger, with the gate part able to be
opened entirely with a RADAR key for wheelchair access (including,
I think, powered ones).
 4.  A large wooden one with the central gate being of the size of a
traditional farm gate, locking into a latch at either end of it's
swing.  (Probably really need to find a picture)

Obviously we can use material and wheelchair tags to capture some of 
these differences, but it might be worth having a kissing_gate tag to 
separate them more clearly.


Any thoughts?

Jerry

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Re: [Talk-GB] Types of Kissing Gates

[SK53]

In general I try and map both (example here
 where the
footpath goes over a stile, but notion is the same), and if it's a public
footpath route the public footpath through the pedestrian gate. This is
definitely micro-mapping, so If I'm in a hurry I'll do a single gate which
is implicitly the pedestrian one.

It might be worth expanding discussion to types of gates too. Both gate &
gate:type are in use (and both have values of kissing!). I've very rarely
used gate=wicket_gate for the small <1m wide pedestrian gate, but standard
single & double farm gates are worth noting.

Jerry

On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 at 12:29, Tony OSM  wrote:

> Happy with a kissing_gate tag that could combine these variations.
>
> Can we also discuss paths/tracks which have a vehicle gate and a
> pedestrian gate alongside each other. Is it one complex gate? or for
> routing do we have to place two gates and draw paths through each?
>
> Personally I just need to know what is the agreed method.
>
> Regards
>
> TonyS999
> On 20/11/2019 11:35, SK53 wrote:
>
> Whilst we tag different types of stiles, I'm not aware that we
> differentiate different kinds of kissing gates.
>
> Yesterday visiting Clumber Park to participate in a National Trust path
> mapping briefing we saw three distinct kinds, to which I've added a fourth:
>
>
>1.  A traditional wooden kissing gate with a triangular cross-section.
>Generally now replaced by 2.
>2. A metal kissing gate with a circular cross-section
>3.  As for 2, but substantially larger, with the gate part able to be
>opened entirely with a RADAR key for wheelchair access (including, I think,
>powered ones).
>4.  A large wooden one with the central gate being of the size of a
>traditional farm gate, locking into a latch at either end of it's swing.
>(Probably really need to find a picture)
>
> Obviously we can use material and wheelchair tags to capture some of these
> differences, but it might be worth having a kissing_gate tag to separate
> them more clearly.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Jerry
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Types of Kissing Gates

[Dudley Ibbett]

The kissing gate enclosure (cross section) might be a "clear" way of 
distinguishing them.  There seem to be three main versions: "v", "square" and 
"circular".

"v" seems to be implicitly for pedestrians and it may not be possible to make 
it big enough to work for wheel chairs.  They can also be quite difficult to 
pass through even for pedestrians depending on their size and if they have a 
rucksac.   The enclosure version may therefore be relevant to access.

It would appear from council design statements that the "square" and "circular" 
versions are just made bigger for wheel chair access.

Dudley


From: SK53 
Sent: 20 November 2019 12:57
To: Tony OSM 
Cc: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org 
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Types of Kissing Gates

In general I try and map both (example 
here where the 
footpath goes over a stile, but notion is the same), and if it's a public 
footpath route the public footpath through the pedestrian gate. This is 
definitely micro-mapping, so If I'm in a hurry I'll do a single gate which is 
implicitly the pedestrian one.

It might be worth expanding discussion to types of gates too. Both gate & 
gate:type are in use (and both have values of kissing!). I've very rarely used 
gate=wicket_gate for the small <1m wide pedestrian gate, but standard single & 
double farm gates are worth noting.

Jerry

On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 at 12:29, Tony OSM 
mailto:tonyo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Happy with a kissing_gate tag that could combine these variations.

Can we also discuss paths/tracks which have a vehicle gate and a pedestrian 
gate alongside each other. Is it one complex gate? or for routing do we have to 
place two gates and draw paths through each?

Personally I just need to know what is the agreed method.

Regards

TonyS999

On 20/11/2019 11:35, SK53 wrote:
Whilst we tag different types of stiles, I'm not aware that we differentiate 
different kinds of kissing gates.

Yesterday visiting Clumber Park to participate in a National Trust path mapping 
briefing we saw three distinct kinds, to which I've added a fourth:


  1.   A traditional wooden kissing gate with a triangular cross-section. 
Generally now replaced by 2.
  2.  A metal kissing gate with a circular cross-section
  3.   As for 2, but substantially larger, with the gate part able to be opened 
entirely with a RADAR key for wheelchair access (including, I think, powered 
ones).
  4.   A large wooden one with the central gate being of the size of a 
traditional farm gate, locking into a latch at either end of it's swing.  
(Probably really need to find a picture)

Obviously we can use material and wheelchair tags to capture some of these 
differences, but it might be worth having a kissing_gate tag to separate them 
more clearly.

Any thoughts?

Jerry



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