Re: [Talk-GB] Call to action: Translators needed

[Simon Poole]

It's the other way around, I believe you are the victim and have been had.

Am 12. Juli 2020 21:12:15 MESZ schrieb Kai Michael Poppe - OSM :
>
>On 12.07.2020 20:58, Simon Poole wrote:
>
>> The project in question could have naturally joined the OpenStreetMap
>transifex organisation and profited from a couple of 100 very
>experienced translators, but that would be too simple.
>
>Well, don't kill the messenger. I myself only today discovered that
>there's a JOSM team and an OSM organization.
>It might be worth checking whether the projects could be moved to the
>OSM org.
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] New Bing Imagery

[Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB]

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Imagery_Offset_Database/Quick_Start
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Imagery_Offset_Database
(I think that nowadays it is built in - is plugin installation still necessary?)


No idea about iD support - 
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/search?q=imagery+offset

Jul 13, 2020, 00:21 by scolebou...@joda.org:

> Wow, the imagery is really good. But in my area the imagery is about
> 3-4m east west and 3-4m north south out of alignment with Esri World
> Imagery (Clarity) Beta, which is what I've been using up until now
> (for thousands of buildings).
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.39886/-0.24940
>
> Is there any way to unify the alignments?
>
> Stephen
>
>
> On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 at 06:41, Gareth L  wrote:
>
>>
>> I’ve noticed patches of vastly improved bing imagery since December, but it 
>> is really patchy.
>> Gareth
>>
>> > On 6 Jul 2020, at 23:21, Cj Malone  
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > I was splitting houses in Portsmouth/Southsea this morning. The imagery
>> > is great, I don't know if it was part of this update, or if it's been
>> > like this for a while.
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Re: [Talk-GB] New Bing Imagery

[Stephen Colebourne]

Wow, the imagery is really good. But in my area the imagery is about
3-4m east west and 3-4m north south out of alignment with Esri World
Imagery (Clarity) Beta, which is what I've been using up until now
(for thousands of buildings).
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.39886/-0.24940

Is there any way to unify the alignments?

Stephen


On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 at 06:41, Gareth L  wrote:
>
> I’ve noticed patches of vastly improved bing imagery since December, but it 
> is really patchy.
> Gareth
>
> > On 6 Jul 2020, at 23:21, Cj Malone  
> > wrote:
> >
> > I was splitting houses in Portsmouth/Southsea this morning. The imagery
> > is great, I don't know if it was part of this update, or if it's been
> > like this for a while.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Call to action: Translators needed

[Kai Michael Poppe - OSM]

On 12.07.2020 20:58, Simon Poole wrote:

> The project in question could have naturally joined the OpenStreetMap 
> transifex organisation and profited from a couple of 100 very experienced 
> translators, but that would be too simple.

Well, don't kill the messenger. I myself only today discovered that there's a 
JOSM team and an OSM organization.
It might be worth checking whether the projects could be moved to the OSM org.

Kai

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Re: [Talk-GB] Call to action: Translators needed

[Simon Poole]

The project in question could have naturally joined the OpenStreetMap transifex 
organisation and profited from a couple of 100 very experienced translators, 
but that would be too simple.

Am 12. Juli 2020 19:50:43 MESZ schrieb Kai Michael Poppe - OSM :
>Good evening list!
>
>During last week's Missing Maps London event I got to know the mobile
>App "MapSwipe". This app is used to identify Imagery Tiles with
>specific features like buildings, roads, etc. in countries with low map
>coverage (i.e. developing/least developed countries). It is a
>second-level crowdsourcing platform and it's data is used by the
>Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HotOSM.org) to feed it's taskmanager.
>From there volounteers use computer-based editors to map the tiles that
>were marked as having a mappable feature.
>
>Enough marketing talk, this is what this mail is about: The developing
>team uses Transifex
>(https://www.transifex.com/mapswipe/mapswipe-app/dashboard/) to
>translate the strings in the OpenSource-App
>(https://github.com/mapswipe/mapswipe) and is looking for people who'd
>love to contribute with more translations or finishing/reviewing the
>existing languages. Czech only needs review, but Dutch, French,
>Japanese, Nepali, Persian, Swahili, Hungarian, Indonesia, Russian and
>Spanish are still missing loads of translated strings.
>
>So, if any of you would be able to help with any of the languages
>mentioned above (you may also add any other language that you think
>should be on the app), this would be greatly appreciated!
>
>Please do not hesitate to share this mail with anyone you think could
>help or cross-post this outside this list, I haven't done so anywhere
>except the German Telegram Group t.me/OSM_de.
>
>Thank you for reading this far :)
>
>Kai
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[Talk-GB] Call to action: Translators needed

[Kai Michael Poppe - OSM]

Good evening list!

During last week's Missing Maps London event I got to know the mobile App 
"MapSwipe". This app is used to identify Imagery Tiles with specific features 
like buildings, roads, etc. in countries with low map coverage (i.e. 
developing/least developed countries). It is a second-level crowdsourcing 
platform and it's data is used by the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team 
(HotOSM.org) to feed it's taskmanager. From there volounteers use 
computer-based editors to map the tiles that were marked as having a mappable 
feature.

Enough marketing talk, this is what this mail is about: The developing team 
uses Transifex (https://www.transifex.com/mapswipe/mapswipe-app/dashboard/) to 
translate the strings in the OpenSource-App 
(https://github.com/mapswipe/mapswipe) and is looking for people who'd love to 
contribute with more translations or finishing/reviewing the existing 
languages. Czech only needs review, but Dutch, French, Japanese, Nepali, 
Persian, Swahili, Hungarian, Indonesia, Russian and Spanish are still missing 
loads of translated strings.

So, if any of you would be able to help with any of the languages mentioned 
above (you may also add any other language that you think should be on the 
app), this would be greatly appreciated!

Please do not hesitate to share this mail with anyone you think could help or 
cross-post this outside this list, I haven't done so anywhere except the German 
Telegram Group t.me/OSM_de.

Thank you for reading this far :)

Kai

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Re: [Talk-GB] Old copies of OS Open Map Local Raster?

[Adam Snape]

There was definitely a 2017-04 release. For raster I'm afraid I only
downloaded my local SD grid square.

Kind regards,

Adam

On Sun, 12 Jul 2020, 17:50 Grant Slater, 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone have old copies of the OS Open Map Local raster?
> The original filename is: omlras_gtfc_gb.zip
>
> I believe the releases were:
> * 2016-10
> * 2017 ???
> * 2018-04
> * 2018-10
> * 2019-04 (have copy)
> * 2020-04 (have copy)
>
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[Talk-GB] Old copies of OS Open Map Local Raster?

[Grant Slater]

Hi All,

Does anyone have old copies of the OS Open Map Local raster?
The original filename is: omlras_gtfc_gb.zip

I believe the releases were:
* 2016-10
* 2017 ???
* 2018-04
* 2018-10
* 2019-04 (have copy)
* 2020-04 (have copy)

Kind regards,

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[Talk-GB] Farmworkers Seasonal Accomodation

[SK53]

The recent outbreak of covid-19 in Herefordshire prompts me to wonder how
we map the groups of (usually) caravans provided on farm sites to
accommodate seasonal workers. I remember we (Andy, Tom & I) passed one east
of Gringley-on-the-Hill 5 years ago which Andy (SomeoneElse) mapped
 as landuse=residential. (It
looks to have increased in size since then)

I've added  the area which I
presume is the similarly dedicated area on Rook Row Farm, Mathon: the covid
outbreak site. This one is more readily confusable with a touring caravan
site, at least on Bing imagery, than the one at Gringley. I've also added a
residential=seasonal_farm_workers as a subtag for now.

Does anyone have any other suggestions for how to tag these? it was the
first thing I that came to mind.

We may wish to map these more explicitly as this outbreak may not be the
last in this type of setting. (I've also done a few of the meat packing
factories, but not sure I've fully tagged them. They are often both
abattoirs and a production facility)
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Re: [Talk-GB] Great North Trail MTB Route

[Andy Townsend]

On 12/07/2020 12:32, Adam Snape wrote:


My main concern here is about whether we should be mapping unmarked 
routes at all and especially whether it is okay to import them without 
discussion or the explicit permission of the copyright holder.


I'd agree with that.  Generally speaking, even aside from the copyright 
issue, I don't believe that unsigned routes belong in OSM.  Where I've 
personally come across them I've not removed them (since someone thought 
it was valid to add in the first place) but have added "name:signed=no" 
to e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6366232 to allow me to 
filter "someone wrote a book once" routes from 
https://map.atownsend.org.uk .  I'd also agree with Richard's point on 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/74330916 that this is not a 
general bicycle route and shouldn't be tagged as such.


If the consensus here is "this does not belong in OSM" then I'd be happy 
to see it and other unsigned routes removed (perhaps creating something 
somewhere else like umap where an overlay can be made available); if we 
don't have permission to add it then it definitely should be removed if 
the CTC haven't made the data available under a suitable licence (and 
I'm not a lawyer, but 
https://www.cyclinguk.org/about-ctc/policies-procedures/ctcs-website/terms-and-conditions 
doesn't look like it unless someone has explicitly asked).


Incidentally, there are some edge cases - Wainright's "Coast to Coast" 
was originally a book but is extensively signposted at the eastern end 
(see https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7336319 ).  "The Inn Way to 
the North York Moors" https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8450999 was 
apparently also a book route, and I'd originally set it as 
"name:signed=no" but I have found one guidepost - 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7235773122 .


Best Regards,

Andy (writing in a personal capacity*)

* I'm also a member of the DWG, and we occasionally get copyright 
complaints about things like this, although I'm not aware of one in this 
case.



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Re: [Talk-GB] Colouring London?

[Jez Nicholson]

Fairly well known.

When it launched last year I had thought that the use of OS MasterMap
buildings had blown the openness of the generated data, but they claim on
the site that it doesn't.

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 10:14 AM Neil Matthews <
ndmatth...@ndmatthews.plus.com> wrote:

> Is https://colouring.london/ well known? Just stumbled onto it from an
> overly general web search.
>
> Looks like it would be a great fit for OSM -- but seems to be using
> Ordnance Survey?
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Re: [Talk-GB] Great North Trail MTB Route

[Adam Snape]

Hit Tony,

It's already tagged as network=ncn and I think there seems pretty much
universal agreement from commenters thus far that is not correct, because
it isn't part of the National Cycle Network (which as you suggest is
Sustrans' responsibility) and it is a mountain bike route.

My main concern here is about whether we should be mapping unmarked routes
at all and especially whether it is okay to import them without discussion
or the explicit permission of the copyright holder.

Kind regards,

Adam

On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 at 12:20, Tony OSM  wrote:

> Hi
>
> On https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustrans the first line is '*Sustrans*
> is a UK walking and cycling charity and custodian of the National Cycle
> Network .'
> Custodian is the important term.
>
> The Sustrans website
> https://www.sustrans.org.uk/for-professionals/infrastructure/national-cycle-network-design-principles/
> does not make that claim (please correct me) but the whole of the site
> suggests it is the custodian and that they make decisions about the NCN.
>
> As Sustrans is described as the custodian and its website infers/implies
> that it is, then unless a route is on their website or literature it is not
> part of the NCN. OSM does not have the right to make a decision like that
> no matter how good the intentions.
>
> So please do not tag as ncn; but please keep as a route.
>
> As the route is tagged mtb I think that it may not meet the design
> principles as shown on the referred  Sustrans page.
>
> Tony - TonyS999
> On 12/07/2020 11:34, Adam Snape wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> A mapper has recently added a long mountain bike route to OSM and there
> has been a difference of opinions in the changeset comments
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/87757341 .So I thought I'd share
> here to try to achieve some community consensus.
>
> Personally I'm concerned that it appears to be an undiscussed import
> without explicit copyright owner permission, possibly containing OS-derived
> data. It goes against the general principle that we only map what's on the
> ground, potentially opening the floodgates for all kinds of such unmarked
> routes. The route is tagged as ncn despite not being part of the National
> Cycle Network and as a mountain bike route is largely unsuitable for
> general bicycle routing.
>
> Does anybody have any further thoughts? I'll make the original mapper
> aware of this discussion.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Adam
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Re: [Talk-GB] Great North Trail MTB Route

[Tony OSM]

Hi

On https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustrans the first line is '*Sustrans* 
is a UK walking and cycling charity and custodian of the National Cycle 
Network .' 
Custodian is the important term.


The Sustrans website 
https://www.sustrans.org.uk/for-professionals/infrastructure/national-cycle-network-design-principles/ 
does not make that claim (please correct me) but the whole of the site 
suggests it is the custodian and that they make decisions about the NCN.


As Sustrans is described as the custodian and its website infers/implies 
that it is, then unless a route is on their website or literature it is 
not part of the NCN. OSM does not have the right to make a decision like 
that no matter how good the intentions.


So please do not tag as ncn; but please keep as a route.

As the route is tagged mtb I think that it may not meet the design 
principles as shown on the referred  Sustrans page.


Tony - TonyS999

On 12/07/2020 11:34, Adam Snape wrote:

Hi,

A mapper has recently added a long mountain bike route to OSM and 
there has been a difference of opinions in the changeset comments 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/87757341 .So I thought I'd 
share here to try to achieve some community consensus.


Personally I'm concerned that it appears to be an undiscussed import 
without explicit copyright owner permission, possibly containing 
OS-derived data. It goes against the general principle that we only 
map what's on the ground, potentially opening the floodgates for all 
kinds of such unmarked  routes. The route is tagged as ncn despite not 
being part of the National Cycle Network and as a mountain bike route 
is largely unsuitable for general bicycle routing.


Does anybody have any further thoughts? I'll make the original mapper 
aware of this discussion.


Kind regards,

Adam

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[Talk-GB] Great North Trail MTB Route

[Adam Snape]

Hi,

A mapper has recently added a long mountain bike route to OSM and there has
been a difference of opinions in the changeset comments
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/87757341 .So I thought I'd share
here to try to achieve some community consensus.

Personally I'm concerned that it appears to be an undiscussed import
without explicit copyright owner permission, possibly containing OS-derived
data. It goes against the general principle that we only map what's on the
ground, potentially opening the floodgates for all kinds of such unmarked
routes. The route is tagged as ncn despite not being part of the National
Cycle Network and as a mountain bike route is largely unsuitable for
general bicycle routing.

Does anybody have any further thoughts? I'll make the original mapper aware
of this discussion.

Kind regards,

Adam
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[Talk-GB] weeklyOSM #520 2020-06-30-2020-07-06

[weeklyteam]

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 520,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of 
things happening in the openstreetmap world:

 https://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/13367/

Enjoy! 

Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log in 
to https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login with your OSM account. Read more about 
how to write a post here: 
http://www.weeklyosm.eu/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm 

weeklyOSM? 
who: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
where?: 
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently-produced-in_56718#2/8.6/108.3
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[Talk-GB] Colouring London?

[Neil Matthews]

Is https://colouring.london/ well known? Just stumbled onto it from an
overly general web search.

Looks like it would be a great fit for OSM -- but seems to be using
Ordnance Survey?

Cheers,
Neil


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