Re: [Talk-GB] Anglican churches

[Donald Noble]

Robert,

That looks like an interesting addition to your impressive collection of
tools.
Forgive me if I've missed it somewhere, but what do the different colours
represent on the nameless places of worship page?
I will have a look and see if I can resolve any in Scotland over the
festive break.

Cheers, Doanld



On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 at 19:04, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) <
robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 at 18:05, Sean Blanchflower  wrote:
> > In case anyone's interested I set myself the lockdown project of
> ensuring all the active Anglican churches in England are mapped
> consistently in OSM, and have gotten as far as I realistically can for the
> moment.
> >
> > The net result is that of the 15649 active Anglican churches that I know
> of in England, all of them are now in OSM mapped as ways with
> building=church;amenity=place_of_worship;religion=christian;denomination=anglican;name=XX
> > other than...
>
> Good stuff!
>
> On a slightly related note, I've recently done a bit of an upgrade to
> my "Nameless" tool. This flags objects that don't have a name=* tag
> when you'd usually expect them too. There's now a page for each tag
> combination with a map and list of the nameless objects. The
> top-ranked tag combination is amenity=place_of_worship, with around
> 4,000 instances:
> https://osm.mathmos.net/nameless/amenity/place_of_worship . I think a
> lot of them may have been armchair-mapped from possibly out of date
> maps. So if anyone is at a loose end and fancies trying to work out if
> the places of worship listed there are still in use and if so what
> their name is, please have a look.
>
> Robert.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Anglican churches

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 at 18:05, Sean Blanchflower  wrote:
> In case anyone's interested I set myself the lockdown project of ensuring all 
> the active Anglican churches in England are mapped consistently in OSM, and 
> have gotten as far as I realistically can for the moment.
>
> The net result is that of the 15649 active Anglican churches that I know of 
> in England, all of them are now in OSM mapped as ways with 
> building=church;amenity=place_of_worship;religion=christian;denomination=anglican;name=XX
> other than...

Good stuff!

On a slightly related note, I've recently done a bit of an upgrade to
my "Nameless" tool. This flags objects that don't have a name=* tag
when you'd usually expect them too. There's now a page for each tag
combination with a map and list of the nameless objects. The
top-ranked tag combination is amenity=place_of_worship, with around
4,000 instances:
https://osm.mathmos.net/nameless/amenity/place_of_worship . I think a
lot of them may have been armchair-mapped from possibly out of date
maps. So if anyone is at a loose end and fancies trying to work out if
the places of worship listed there are still in use and if so what
their name is, please have a look.

Robert.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Anglican churches

[Mark Goodge]

On 18/12/2020 18:03, Sean Blanchflower wrote:


In addition there are many more mapped with various tags (by others) 
which are in fact closed or redundant churches. I've been marking them 
as disused:amenity=place_of_worship when I come across them, but there 
are still many more that I haven't got to. (I may get round to this at 
some point)


Just out of interest, do we have a consistent tagging scheme for 
churches which are officially redundant but are still consecrated and 
used for other events as well as occasional worship services?


I'm thinking here mainly of CofE buildings that are now maintained by 
the Churches Conservation Trust rather than a local parish or diocese, 
although there are some equivalents from other denominations as well. 
They're not exactly disused, because they are all usually open to the 
public and often host events, including worship services, but they no 
longer host regular parish services and have no resident congregation or 
assigned priest.


So disused:amenity=place_of_worship seems wrong, to me. I think the 
'disused' key is more correct for a former church that is no longer open 
to the public or in use at all, either because it's now privately owned 
or is functionally derelict. But I'm not sure what would be a better 
option for one that is in use but, from a CofE perspective, is 
considered redundant.


Mark


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[Talk-GB] Anglican churches

[Sean Blanchflower]

Hi all,
In case anyone's interested I set myself the lockdown project of ensuring
all the active Anglican churches in England are mapped consistently in OSM,
and have gotten as far as I realistically can for the moment.

The net result is that of the 15649 active Anglican churches that I know of
in England, all of them are now in OSM mapped as ways with
building=church;amenity=place_of_worship;religion=christian;denomination=anglican;name=XX
other than...

301 - which don't have a separate building of their own (eg meet in a
school or another church etc)
3 - that I just cannot find the location of

In addition there are many more mapped with various tags (by others) which
are in fact closed or redundant churches. I've been marking them as
disused:amenity=place_of_worship when I come across them, but there are
still many more that I haven't got to. (I may get round to this at some
point)

Also I tried to augment user:Edward 's excellent work in tagging them with
their Wikidata ID. Currently 12373 of the 15649 have Wikidata tags, with
each of the Wikidata entries in turn having achurchnearyou.com IDs (the
Church of England's own tagging). My effort will probably shift to adding
Wikidata pages for the remaining churches, and augmenting them with further
info.

Sean
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Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging of historic 'stink pipes'

[SK53]

I've always been intrigued by this
, and wonder if it falls into
this category.

I dont think I've mapped it, largely for want of a suitable tag.

Jerry

On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 at 11:49, Andy Townsend  wrote:

> On 18/12/2020 08:39, Edward Bainton wrote:
> > Morning all
> >
> > My local civic society is collecting the location of 'stink pipes',
> > Victorian sewer ventilation shafts in cast iron. Pics here:
> > https://twitter.com/TobyWoody/status/1339679166371926017/photo/1
> > 
> >
> > I've suggested they use OpenStreetMap and suggested a node with tag
> > historic=ventilation_shaft. Does that seem the right tag?
> >
> >
> That isn't a tag that anyone else has used -
> https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/11jU finds only the one that you've added
> recently.  Having said that, when I looked at "historic" usage in the UK
> I didn't see anything that looked a better option.
>
> When I looked at vent shaft mapping in the UK a while back I came up
> with this list:
>
>
> https://github.com/SomeoneElseOSM/SomeoneElse-style/blob/master/style.lua#L3875
>
> These are physically very different features (though sharing some of the
> same function) as your stink pipes.  If you're going to use
> "ventilation_shaft" I'd definitely also add
> "ventilation_shaft=stink_pipe" or similar to make it clear that you're
> talking about:
>
> https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3590/3390912112_b70a3fb156_z.jpg
>
> not:
>
> https://www.picturesofengland.com/img/L/1106616.jpg
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy
>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] An NTC Training Centre

[Jez Nicholson]

Thanks Tony. I've gone with that.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 11:11 AM Tony Shield  wrote:

> I have used amenity=community_centre for my local Sea Cadet centre,
> On 18/12/2020 10:25, Jez Nicholson wrote:
>
> I just noticed "T. S. Zealous" https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/181524096
> which peaked my interest. Turns out it is a Nautical Training Corps (NTC)
> centre http://www.ntc.org.uk/zealous/
>
> Any hints on how to tag that? building=civic? There must be precedent for
> Scout huts and the like...
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Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging of historic 'stink pipes'

[Andy Townsend]

On 18/12/2020 08:39, Edward Bainton wrote:

Morning all

My local civic society is collecting the location of 'stink pipes', 
Victorian sewer ventilation shafts in cast iron. Pics here: 
https://twitter.com/TobyWoody/status/1339679166371926017/photo/1 



I've suggested they use OpenStreetMap and suggested a node with tag 
historic=ventilation_shaft. Does that seem the right tag?



That isn't a tag that anyone else has used - 
https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/11jU finds only the one that you've added 
recently.  Having said that, when I looked at "historic" usage in the UK 
I didn't see anything that looked a better option.


When I looked at vent shaft mapping in the UK a while back I came up 
with this list:


https://github.com/SomeoneElseOSM/SomeoneElse-style/blob/master/style.lua#L3875

These are physically very different features (though sharing some of the 
same function) as your stink pipes.  If you're going to use 
"ventilation_shaft" I'd definitely also add 
"ventilation_shaft=stink_pipe" or similar to make it clear that you're 
talking about:


https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3590/3390912112_b70a3fb156_z.jpg

not:

https://www.picturesofengland.com/img/L/1106616.jpg

Best Regards,

Andy




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Re: [Talk-GB] An NTC Training Centre

[Tony Shield]

I have used amenity=community_centre for my local Sea Cadet centre,

On 18/12/2020 10:25, Jez Nicholson wrote:
I just noticed "T. S. Zealous" 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/181524096 which peaked my interest. 
Turns out it is a Nautical Training Corps (NTC) centre 
http://www.ntc.org.uk/zealous/


Any hints on how to tag that? building=civic? There must be precedent 
for Scout huts and the like...


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Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging of historic 'stink pipes'

[Tony Shield]

I Use OpenStreetBrowser and select in the sidebar Culture and Religion 
-> Historic which seems to show everything Historic I've added.


https://openstreetbrowser.org/#historic/n7138777431=14/53.6461/-2.6441=historic

TonyS999 Tony Shield

On 18/12/2020 08:39, Edward Bainton wrote:

Morning all

My local civic society is collecting the location of 'stink pipes', 
Victorian sewer ventilation shafts in cast iron. Pics here: 
https://twitter.com/TobyWoody/status/1339679166371926017/photo/1


I've suggested they use OpenStreetMap and suggested a node with tag 
historic=ventilation_shaft. Does that seem the right tag?


Also do people know a rendering that will highligh all the "historic" 
features?


Thanks,

Edward

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[Talk-GB] An NTC Training Centre

[Jez Nicholson]

I just noticed "T. S. Zealous" https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/181524096
which peaked my interest. Turns out it is a Nautical Training Corps (NTC)
centre http://www.ntc.org.uk/zealous/

Any hints on how to tag that? building=civic? There must be precedent for
Scout huts and the like...
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Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging of historic 'stink pipes'

[Gareth L]

There is also this map render 
http://gk.historic.place/historische_objekte/l/en/index.html which could be of 
interest.

Gareth

On 18 Dec 2020, at 08:41, Edward Bainton  wrote:


Morning all

My local civic society is collecting the location of 'stink pipes', Victorian 
sewer ventilation shafts in cast iron. Pics here: 
https://twitter.com/TobyWoody/status/1339679166371926017/photo/1

I've suggested they use OpenStreetMap and suggested a node with tag 
historic=ventilation_shaft. Does that seem the right tag?

Also do people know a rendering that will highligh all the "historic" features?

Thanks,

Edward
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Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging of historic 'stink pipes'

[Jez Nicholson]

Nice one Ed. Great to get a local civic society interested too. Can't
comment on the tag, but you could also suggest to them: a) an Overpass
Turbo query they could use to generate a map, take a screenshot, and
display on their web site for free (with appropriate attribution), b) add
the photos to Wikimedia Commons and reference them from the OSM nodes.

>From my OpenPlaques work, I'd really love to see more civic and history
societies understanding how easy it is for them to create Open Data.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 8:41 AM Edward Bainton 
wrote:

> Morning all
>
> My local civic society is collecting the location of 'stink pipes',
> Victorian sewer ventilation shafts in cast iron. Pics here:
> https://twitter.com/TobyWoody/status/1339679166371926017/photo/1
>
> I've suggested they use OpenStreetMap and suggested a node with tag
> historic=ventilation_shaft. Does that seem the right tag?
>
> Also do people know a rendering that will highligh all the "historic"
> features?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Edward
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[Talk-GB] Tagging of historic 'stink pipes'

[Edward Bainton]

Morning all

My local civic society is collecting the location of 'stink pipes',
Victorian sewer ventilation shafts in cast iron. Pics here:
https://twitter.com/TobyWoody/status/1339679166371926017/photo/1

I've suggested they use OpenStreetMap and suggested a node with tag
historic=ventilation_shaft. Does that seem the right tag?

Also do people know a rendering that will highligh all the "historic"
features?

Thanks,

Edward
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