Re: [Talk-gb-london] cool surprise

[Emilie Laffray]

Everybody change I guess :p I didn't know he was called Charles for example
:p

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Dan S  wrote:

> Harry, you've really changed. I don't remember you being a spambot
> when I met you in the pub...
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> >
> >
> >
> > I've got a surprise for you, it's really cool and awesome, you'll like it
> > for sure. Check it out read more
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> >
> >
> > Wishes, Harry Wood
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[Talk-GB] International mailing list for OSM France

[Emilie Laffray]

Hello,

as part of a new initiative from the French OSM association, we have
created a point of contact so other communities can contact the French
community. I think it is important to have different point of contacts
between the different countries that way.
If you feel the need to contact the French community feel free to post to
internatio...@listes.openstreetmap.fr as it will be answered by people
speaking in English (and actually other languages).

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Re: [Talk-GB] International mailing list for OSM France

[Emilie Laffray]

On 13 January 2012 17:08, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote:

 **

 I was also just watching a link shared by Emilie
 http://videos.senat.fr/video/videos/2012/video11064.html , a presentation
 of OpenStreetMap to the French Senate no less. Impressive.


As I mentioned, I will see if I can create subtitles. Gael Musquet is the
elected president of the incorporated OSM France association. It is a
pleasure to see him there. They were many other members of the French OSM
association present there.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Time for another Surrey meetup?

[Emilie Laffray]

On 15 November 2010 14:40, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote:

 A meetup would work for me.  Woking, anyone?


Doesn't matter to me. Any place in Surrey is fine :)

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Re: [Talk-GB] Visualising speed limits

[Emilie Laffray]

On 1 November 2010 17:57, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl
 wrote:
  On 29/10/2010 22:22, thomas van der veen wrote:

  You might like to take note that nothing is implicit in OSM. There are no
  defaults as renderers or other consumers of the map data are
 unconstrained
  as to how they handle missing tags. Ideally all roads should have
 maxspeed
  explicitly tagged, even if it could be implied from the road class or
 other
  information.

 I disagree quite strongly on this. I see little point in pointlessly
 adding tags when they there is a sensible default. For example, we
 don't need to tag 98% of roads as oneway=no, and in the same way we
 don't need to tag 98% of UK residential roads as maxspeed=30mph.

 Life's too short for that kind of tedium. That's why we (actually do)
 have implicit information in OSM.


+1

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Re: [Talk-GB] [OSM-talk] OSM book

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On 28 October 2010 19:45, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote:

 2010/10/28 Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org:
  On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 15:51 +0100, Steve Chilton wrote:
  OpenStreetMap: Using and Enhancing the Free Map of the World by
  Ramm, Topf and Chilton is now widely available and selling well.
 
  ramm and chilton have got together? wow!


 is there some content in the English translation that the German
 version doesn't have?


Yes

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Re: [Talk-GB] Dorset/Wilts county boundary wrong...is there adefinitive source?

[Emilie Laffray]

On 8 September 2010 15:08, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Kevin Peat ke...@kevinpeat.com wrote:


 On 8 September 2010 10:07, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Kevin Peat ke...@kevinpeat.com wrote:

 Until the issue of whether the OS datasets can be used under the new
 license/CT is resolved it seems a bit pointless doing anything like this
 whatever the merits might be.


 The OS datasets are compatible with OSM as it stands at the moment.
 Worrying about future incompatibilities that may or may not happen is not
 helpful to the project.
 ...


 I should qualify my sweeping statement about OS datasets being compatible
 with OSM.  They are if you are an old contributor.  They are *not* if you
 signed up after 12th May, because Ordnance Survey's license is incompatible
 with the new Contributor Terms.

 So if you are a new contributor, too bad.


To the best of my knowledge, legal counsel has not yet stated so, as the LWG
has approached legal counsel on that particular topic. So until we have
something whether negative or positive, the point you are making is pretty
much moot.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Reporting Errors to OS - Feedback

[Emilie Laffray]

I agree that it would be better that way.

Emilie Laffray

On 12 Aug 2010 15:03, Philip Stubbs phi...@stuphi.co.uk wrote:
 On 12 August 2010 14:23, Tim Francois sk1pp...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 In that case, it sounds to me like a maintenance nightmare, especially if
 everyone adds all the errors they find in the OS data to the Catalog.
 I will certainly think before adding too many more errors to the Catalog,
 because there is every chance that in six months time (or whenever the
next
 release cycle is for the particular product) the editor that added the
data
 might be gone. It's tricky, because we obviously don't want to bombard OS
 with multiple emails with the same error (two or three won't hurt, and
may
 actually be beneficial) - however, 'bombard' might be too strong-a word,
 depending on how many people actually pass on errors to OS...

 Tough call...
 Tim

 Would it better to collect all errors in the catalogue, and then
 periodically send them to OS? I know that I would rather receive one
 email with 100 actions than 100 emails with 1 action. Or worse,
 multiple emails for the same action.

 It may also help improve the image of OSM by acting in a coordinated
manner.


 --
 Philip Stubbs

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Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM

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On 19 July 2010 23:37, Graham Jones grahamjones...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi Folks,
 Given all of the talk on the osm-talk mailing list about the possibility of
 losing data if we move to the new licence, I started to wonder just how
 widespread OS OpenData use is in OSM.  I couldn't find a visualisation, so I
 made one this evening which is visible at
 http://www.maps.webhop.net/osm_opendata/.   Not all zoom levels are
 rendered yet - it could easily take most of tomorrow to finish the higher
 zoom levels.

 The way I have detected the OS derived data is very crude - basically if
 'source' or 'source:name' matches %os%, the element gets highlighted in
 blue.  This means that tags relating to out of copyright OS maps might also
 be highlighted (I see some 'OS7' tags).

 Anyway, I thought you might be interested in seeing how widespread the use
 is - I was very surprised that at low zoom levels, the UK (or rather GB) is
 covered in blue, but if you zoom in enough you can start to see which towns
 are 'old mapping' and which contain a lot of tracing from StreetView.

 I'm not sure what to do with this now - I will work out some statistics for
 how much of the OSM data includes OS opendata.   If anyone can think of a
 use for it now that I have the database imported, please let me know!


Well the first thing to say is that the approach is a bit flawed. You would
need to look also at the history to find out what is new (completely OS
OpenData) or what has been completed with data from OS. It is very likely
that some might come from old mapping.
The second point is that I don't see the relation between knowing how much
OS OpenData and the switch to the new licence. Talks of losing data is
partially a self fulfilling prophecy. It is impossible right now to gauge
how much data IF ANY we would lose since we don't have any means to know who
is in support of what until the voluntary licence is put in place.

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[Talk-GB] State Of Country Posters - Deadline 8/07/2010 10AM

[Emilie Laffray]

Hello,

the deadline for posters for State Of Country is on 8/07/2010 10am (tomorrow
morning). The poster is A1 vertical. An example can be found at the
following link: http://dl.free.fr/mcXHIJPi4
It would be good to have a link for it. You can reply to that email.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Launch of Mapping for Change social enterprise

[Emilie Laffray]

Hello,

Yes, someone from OSM will be present. Harry added it to the list of
upcoming events. In addition, I think Muki Haklay is involved.

Emilie Laffray


On 29 June 2010 09:22, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote:

 This reached me via a roundabout route about an event on Thursday late
 afternoon. Is anyone from OSM involved? Is anyone going? Is someone in the
 London area able to go? Looks light up our street, so to speak.

 http://www.mappingforchange.org.uk

 and in particular:
 http://www.mappingforchange.org.uk/2010/06/487/

 http://mappingforchange.eventbrite.com/

 David

 (There was an attachment, but all the info is in the links).

  Original Message 
 *From:* Chris Church [mailto:removed]
 *Sent:* 14 June 2010 09:22
 *Subject:* Launch of Mapping for Change social enterprise

 Dear colleague

 As someone with some interest in the development of ‘local
 sustainability’, I am happy to invite you to University College London
 on July 1st for the launch of ‘Mapping for Change’, a social enterprise
 focused on the use of on-line mapping with local communities. Full
 information about the launch and about the work of Mapping for Change is in
 the attached note.

 With best wishes

 Chris Church

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Re: [Talk-GB] Surrey County Air Survey

[Emilie Laffray]

On 2 May 2010 16:57, Jerry Clough - OSM sk53_...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:


 My one plea is for more assiduous use of the source tag. Surrey now has
 some of the densest mapping created over several OSM eras, and now has
 probably the richest source of imagery (Yahoo, this, OS StreetView, NPE,
 some Provisional edition maps...) anywhere. Its hard to make even minor
 changes when detective work is required to know the derivation of existing
 map elements.


Or It could be that it isn't really possible anymore to know what are the
sources anymore in an area which has been worked extensively on with
different sources.
In addition, while the source is important, it is clear that the quality is
also dependent on the contributor.
In short, I am not convinced that knowing the derivation of existing map
elements is useful, especially considering that over time in rich areas, it
will be less and less useful as the result could be probably better than any
of the existing source.

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Re: [Talk-GB] VectorMap District tomorrow (29th)

[Emilie Laffray]

On 29 April 2010 09:26, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote:

 On 29/04/10 09:15, Tom Taylor wrote:
  Seems to be live now (at the bottom):
 
  https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendatadownload/products.html

 Yes - I am currently downloading all the files to the dev server.


The data looks quite interesting especially with all the layers.

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Re: [Talk-GB] VectorMap District tomorrow (29th)

[Emilie Laffray]

On 29 April 2010 11:47, Henry Gomersall h...@cantab.net wrote:

 On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 11:28 +0100, Emilie Laffray wrote:
  The data looks quite interesting especially with all the layers.

 Can anyone advise the best way of playing with ESRI data?


They are shapefiles unless I am mistaken. That means that you can find tools
like ogr2osm, shp-to-osm, polyshp2osm to manipulate them if you need to.
Shapefile are pretty much the lingua franca in geomatics.

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Re: [Talk-GB] GB Chapter

[Emilie Laffray]

On 26 April 2010 09:51, Artem Pavlenko artem.map...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Charlbury comes to mind (good beer!)



Sounds good to me. Hopefully it will be during a week I am not on holiday :)

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Re: [Talk-GB] GB Chapter

[Emilie Laffray]

On 26 April 2010 15:12, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) 
ajrli...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Banbury gets my vote. How would Saturday 12 June fit with folks? May is
 pretty stacked out for me already.


 +1 for me

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Re: [Talk-GB] Postcodes to Shapefile

[Emilie Laffray]

On 26 April 2010 15:13, Jerry Clough - OSM sk53_...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 GRASS seems to have some kind of Voronoi algorithm, but I find its
 interface very non-intuitive, so have not found it to try it out. This may
 be worth pursuing as an alternative route.

 As an aside: I notice that virtually all postcode boundaries are obviously
 created in this way. For instance the Philips Street Atlas shows totally
 implausible boundaries along the River Trent in S. Notts. Given that
 postcode boundaries are ultimately determined by logistically sensible walks
 for postmen, in this case it's pretty safe to assume that the boundary is
 actually the river. What this means is that by applying a bit of local
 knowledge and the existing points it is possible to create better
 delineating zones in OSM than appear in current mapping. Whether this is a
 good thing to do, or not, I leave for others to decide.


I think that GEOS has now implemented both voronoi and Delaunay
triangulation algorithms. I am not quite though that they have a Python
Binding. Some part of GEOS is expose through the GDAL binding, but it is
incomplete.

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Re: [Talk-GB] GB Chapter

[Emilie Laffray]

On 26 April 2010 15:18, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) 
ajrli...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Replying to myself here. Northampton would be another location option. Its
 on the London Midland line which has some cheap fares. It's also a very
 very
 unloved town.


For those living near Croydon and not afraid of me driving, this could be a
possibility at some point.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Open Knowledge Conference and Spacemakers Brixton

[Emilie Laffray]

On 15 April 2010 10:22, Harry Wood m...@harrywood.co.uk wrote:

 OK
 It looks like I've persuaded Emilie Laffray to do the talk at Open
 Knowledge conference (if she's still happy with that?) Thanks to her for
 taking on that task.  Turns out it's only a 15 minute slot. They'll be lots
 of other interesting topics and people there I'm sure, so you might like to
 go along to cheer on Emilie / help answer questions, but otherwise...

 We still need a couple of people to be in charge of a Brixton mini-mapping
 party thing. Let me know please


 Or otherwise there's the Wiltham Mapping party that Saturday too! Great
 stuff Ed.


 While I'm at it, there's a whole bunch of UK stuff happening THIS Saturday
 (17th) :
 * Birmingham mapping party:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Micro_Mapping  (nothing
 'micro' about it!)
 * Haslemere mapping party:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Three_Counties_Mapping_Party
 * Crisis Camp London:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Crisis_Camp_London  -  I'm the only
 OSMer going so far, but they'll be other people there +pizza.


I am still happy with that :)

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Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-transit] NaPTAN - Time for the rest?

[Emilie Laffray]

On 16 March 2010 17:46, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote:


 :-) I sallied forth on this issue at WhereCampEU - topics of how to
 improve the public transit data in OSM came up a surprising number of
 times on Saturday.

 Step One: Register a better domain name for people who can't remember
 how to type the double-dots in 
 http://www.öpnvkarte.de/http://www.xn--pnvkarte-m4a.de/. Et voila,
 now we have http://openbusmap.org thanks to Shaun.
 Step Two: Have a (UK?) public transport hack-weekend. Peter Miller
 offered to sponsor this at said WhereCampEU, so that just needs
 organising.
 Step Three: Good editor support. Potlatch2 already supports things
 like NAPTAN cardinal compass directions. There's more to do on that
 front...

 That's a start, and IMHO doing what the cyclemap did (i.e. provide a
 compelling end-use) does as much as YAOSMIT (that's Yet Another OSM
 Inspection Tool). The tools have their place, but only for the most
 hard-core contributors. I see contributors as progressing through the
 following stages, where only a small proportion ever make it to the
 next stage:

 1) Not interested or aware of the subject in question
 2) Liking an end-use of the subject (e.g. opencyclemap.org, openbusmap.org
 )
 3) Fiddling with the data in places that's important to them
 4) Getting interested in wider QA of the data using inspection tools

 I think we need to support 2 and 3 to get a much larger number of
 people involved in buses etc in the UK.


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Re: [Talk-GB] OS DG Vanessa Lawrence on the Future of mapping

[Emilie Laffray]

2010/1/21 Steve Chilton s.l.chil...@mdx.ac.uk

 I am definitely going.
 Anyone else?
 Beer-up afterwards?
 I will investigate a possible pub.


Hello,

I might come depending on whether I can leave work early or not.

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Re: [Talk-GB] OS DG Vanessa Lawrence on the Future of mapping

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2010/1/21 Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@googlemail.com

 Robert Scott wrote:
 Sent: 21 January 2010 2:53 PM
 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] OS DG Vanessa Lawrence on the Future of mapping
 
 Yes, I may go.
 
 Prominent OSM tshirts or are we going clandestine?
 

 You have to make a splash! If the banner hadn't been nicked in MK I'd
 suggest to take that! :-)

 Maybe a big map of Haiti or something?


A big map of Haiti would be absolutely great. It would really show how
good we are in the end.

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Re: [Talk-GB] last london pub meetup of the year

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2009/12/18 Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com

 the wiki currently has the meetup set for the john snow on tuesday[1].
 how do people feel about moving that to wednesday?


I am afraid I will be in my car driving to France wednesday.

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Re: [Talk-GB] maposmatic for the UK?

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2009/10/23 Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com


 I was at a meeting with our county council yesterday evening to
 discuss 'strategic cycle routes' in my town for inclusion in the
 official cycling strategy which will be applicable for the next
 decade. It was a very good and useful meeting, only one problem
 though, the base map they were using didn't have the cycle routes on
 it!  (it had roads and buildings but didn't even have national cycle
 route because the OS still don't seem to know about cycle routes in
 their vector datasets). It also didn't have the recently completed
 housing on it of course.

 Very irritating.

 At a future meeting I would love to be able to recommend that they
 print an OpenStreetMap. Unfortunately, MapOSMatic, which is the only
 service that I am aware of that allows one to create big town maps
 only works within France at present.

 Does anyone fancy talking to them and helping with a translation? This
 is what is says on their home page:
 Right now MapOSMatic is only available for the metropolitan France
 area. We need contributors to translate and adapt the few parts of
 MapOSMatic that are country specific.[1]


I can work on an English translation if you are interested. This shouldn't
take very long. The problem is that you will need to have your own server to
get MapOSMatic running with only a map of United Kingdom.
Also, some part of the logic is based on having municipality boundaries
Admin Level 8. You can get a zone to display of course, but it is not going
to be as convincing as opposed of having the proper border.
In addition, I suspect there is a bit of code that will need to be changing
since the street are analyzed in some ways based on the French system. For
example, Rue De La Paix is becoming on their index Paix (Rue De La). This
logic will need to work differently in English or other languages. You can
see an example of what I mean here
http://www.maposmatic.org/smedia/chavagne_index.png

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Re: [Talk-GB] Progress on estimating coverage

[Emilie Laffray]

Shaun McDonald wrote:
 It would be interesting to see the same charts taking into account the
 nonames, to take into account the places that have been traced but not
 yet named.
+1

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Re: [Talk-GB] Estimating coverage

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2009/8/4 Peter Reed peter.r...@aligre.co.uk

 Meanwhile, there is a nice map on the French Openstreetmap page showing
 coverage of French Communes
 http://files.meurisse.org/osm/2009/communes-20090801.png

 I can read French a little, and I have tried to make out the background
 from the Talk FR pages. See “Avancement des communes” in
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2009-April/thread.html

 As far as I can see, this map is plotting the extent to which boundaries
 have been plotted at the level of a French Commune (i.e- local government
 boundaries, not roads).



 My French really isn’t up to asking more in the TALK-FR lists, so I’d be
 interested in any more information from the UK. Can anyone help?


What would like to know? The thread you are pointing is updated monthly with
new statistics. The boundaries that we have is based from the Cadastre which
is a database that is owned by the tax office. We cannot incorporate data
directly, but we were given authorization to trace from it.
It is giving us access to name of streets, municipal boundaries, and
buildings.
The data is not yet completely vectorized, and adding a new commune is not
that easy even if we have programs to help. We know how much work is done
because we also have access to administrative information from the INSEE. It
is possible then to check which commune has been properly added against the
list of the INSEE. It is not perfect but it works globally well.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Estimating coverage

[Emilie Laffray]

Peter Reed wrote:

 Thank you Emilie.

  

 When you talk of adding a commune, do you mean adding (vectorising)
 the boundary?

  

 It looks as though you have access to a lot more detailed information
 on boundaries in France than we have in the UK.

 The UK administrative boundaries on OSM have to be plotted from old
 maps that are now out of copyright.

  

  

Yes, when we are talking of adding a commune, we are adding boundaries
into OSM. We are also making sure that we create the proper relations so
one way can be reused for a frontier between two communes.
We have broad data on higher administrative boundaries that we are
correcting as we progress in adding commune boundaries. We know in which
higher level boundaries commune are in. There are currently talks about
Spain and Italy boundaries on that ground. The data can be sometimes a
bit incorrect so we are verifying everything carefully.

Emilie Laffray


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