Re: [Talk-GB] Opening hours from opening-times.co.uk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andy Allan wrote: > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Andy Mabbett > wrote: >> I am sitting alongside Julian Burgess (CCd, also @aubergene ) of >> http://opening-times.co.uk/ which lists opening times for all sorts of >> shops and public service outlets in the UK. We have just tagged a local >> Supermarket (Tesco, Aston Lane, Birmingham) with: >> >> openingtimescouk: http://opening-times.co.uk/tesco-superstore-aston-lane >> >> Is this something folks would like to see more of? Or make use of? > > If you want to add the opening times to OSM, that would be great! But > if it's only a link to Yet Another Business Aggregator Website, I'm > not so sure. I had a look at the website in question, but it doesn't > seem to have any details on whether or not your opening hours > information is available under an open license for us to incorporate > directly? Doesn't the information change too much to be put into OSM directly? Especially as opening times tries to take account of special opening hours for Christmas and Bank holidays etc.? It is an open site, but I kind of think that the data should go the other way around, so they should keep the OSM IDs as part of the information about each location, and provide a web service to search by OSM id. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkua2pgACgkQz+aYVHdncI234QCdH2Xk0TyYrHoKbvQ5Yxdm/GPd qGQAnid/pjgRLbNVHJjDjustH3AMlXyl =rNb7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] [OSM-talk] Still interest in an Android POI collector?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 grahamjones...@googlemail.com wrote: >>. >> >> POI, track, and photo collection would be useful additional features, >> >> along with something to highlight in the directions where there is a >> >> FIXME or OSMbug entry nearby on the map. >> >> >> >> I think that integrating these features into Navit (perhaps as plugins), >> >> rather than having a separate app would be of much greater benefit. >> >> >> >> Robert (Jamie) Munro > > Robert, > I am not sure that adding more features to another application is the > best way to do it - To be useful something like POI and photo collection > needs to be really simple, without having to go through a lot of menus > to get there. Therefore I think it would be best to have one application > that does navigation, and another one for collecting mapping information > or tweaking the map on the go. So I am navigating somewhere, and I notice a missing POI. I have to exit the app, load another app, wait for the map to download, navigate different menus to the ones I am used to, then I can make a note of the problem. I then have to exit that app, load my navigation app and hope that it has remembered where I was going. Alternatively: I press the camera button on the phone and take a picture inisde my navigation app. This gets marked on the map, and saved for later, and I am presented with a menu on the screen asking me to say why I have taken a photo, either by selecting a preset, by leaving a text note or by leaving a voice note. Once I've pressed that, I'm straight back into navigation. I should be able to do this with 2 clicks, e.g. when stopped at traffic lights, or pulled over for just a moment. Another situation: Perhaps I see a road not on the map (preferably that looks like it might go in roughly the direction of my destination). I turn into this road. The navigation app notices I have gone off road, records a trace, and gives me a direction and distance arrow to my destination. When I reach a road that is back on the map, the app recalculates my route from that point, and stops the trace. No clicks at all needed, so I can improve the map without stopping. It can upload the trace to OSM, and when I get home I can convert it into a street using JOSM in no time. Of course, at any point during the above, I could have pressed the camera button to record a photo with position and add a note, e.g. to record a junction or to record the road name with a voice note. Another advantage: People aren't going to install a POI collecting app unless they are heavily into OSM. They will probably install a sat-nav app people have recommended if they ever want to go anywhere. They might drive down roads not on the map either by mistake, by curiosity, or because they know where they are going even if the map doesn't. Once they learn they can fix the map, they may well become a keen mapper. Will having apps mean that I need to copies of the map on my phone? That seems like a waste of space. So we have to ensure that they can both read the same data file. Don't say that it will download over the net, because probably most of the unmapped countryside has no 3G coverage. A lot has no coverage at all. So that will be painful if it works at all. Particularly if 2 apps are downloading data at the same time. No, it needs to be one app. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkuVGUwACgkQz+aYVHdncI3+jwCfZxf6rxRj7uDP9ZY3P4ZDgWrp 484Anin6AaUHNaFJMblfMoIZw5Oq4iDj =jNaA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Pronouncing numbers of UK roads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dave F. wrote: > Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> I've just opened a bug in navit about the pronunciation of UK road >> numbers when giving directions. >> >> These are the rules I have worked out. Can anyone think of cases where >> the results of these rules sound wrong? >> >> * Always use a long A pronounciation - i.e. rhymes with Hay, not like >> in cat. >> * Zeros are usually pronounced "Oh" (although that is possibly a matter >> of preference) > > The 'oh' has long been a bugbear of mine. 'Oh' is the phonetic of a > letter not a numeral. I agree that it's kind of wrong, but it is what is generally used in road numbers, probably because it saves a syllable. > How do your rules compare with the BBC travels announcements? Listening to the latest report at http://www.bbc.co.uk/travelnews/bulletins/ it all agreed with my rules, until he said: "A Ten Sixty five" So maybe 4 digit numbers with the second digit 0 should be read as 2 halves? Although listening to http://www.trafficradio.org.uk/ They just said "B four oh seven oh", which doesn't follow the above rule (either way sounds right to me & I think we should have less rules, not more). Both stations said "A four oh four", not "A four zero four". Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkuRKzIACgkQz+aYVHdncI2u/gCfU/wwcNf9/zcYr/aS38Xl01by Uy8An0unkOPQpS2kJZuTOYGuU62iPcEA =hYLt -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Pronouncing numbers of UK roads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've just opened a bug in navit about the pronunciation of UK road numbers when giving directions. These are the rules I have worked out. Can anyone think of cases where the results of these rules sound wrong? * Always use a long A pronounciation - i.e. rhymes with Hay, not like in cat. * Zeros are usually pronounced "Oh" (although that is possibly a matter of preference) * If the number is less than 100, say it in full - e.g. * A42 => A forty two * M25 => Em twenty five * Otherwise say it digit by digit * A121 => A one two one * A4144 => A four one four four * A4074 => A four oh seven four * but if it ends in zeros, merge those into the last number, so * A420 => A four twenty * A400 => A four hundred * B4000 => Bee four thousand Prefix the number with "the". E.g. "Turn left onto the A four twenty", not just "Turn left onto A four twenty". Some people do pronounce some road names different to the above rules - I've heard the A4074 called "A forty seventy four", for example - but the above rules are probably a good starting point. I'm not sure how A4004 and A4010 are normally pronounced: A four oh oh four? (generated by above, doesn't sound quite right) A four double oh four? A four thousand and 4? (what I would say) A four oh ten? (generated by above, doesn't sound quite right) A four oh one oh? A forty ten? (what I would say) Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkuRElUACgkQz+aYVHdncI3vrQCg1g0DJsRXlXckPXGbAdNPrBGB L+0AnA/6BcE40bXDoy2xYHgKGMrCExsL =xS6r -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] [OT] No 10 postcodes petition
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The PM has responded to the petition to make free-the-postcode like data available: http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page2 Unfortunately, they have confused PAF (the postcode address file, with every valid address in the country) with Postzon (a list of postcodes with coordinates to the nearest 100m). PAF: http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/jump2?mediaId=400085&catId=400084 Postzon: http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/content3?mediaId=55900704&catId=400088 They also completely failed to mention that the OS has some control of this data, and that it is due to be released by them to a greater or lesser degree in due course. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAktZvoEACgkQz+aYVHdncI0/jQCg+VilHfte/NFL7jluaIBOX/WA bF0An0eDNsPCHJ1vsJWO8VX6uKALMQAw =HhWp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Error (was Re: NaPTAN import status - update and question)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Russ Phillips wrote: > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Peter Miller > wrote: > >> Thinking about it, one could get OSM to produce a list of things to check >> for any particular trip - First one would produce a GPX for the trip and >> then a 'job-creator' would identify streets without names, villages without >> letter boxes, ways with 'FIXME' tags and also of course unchecked bus stops >> and produce an itinerary and map to things to do on the way. A feature I suggested for routing apps was a mode that you could use if you had to get from A to B but not in a hurry. It would treat places that had errors as less costly in terms of routing, so that routes would be biased towards them. It's usually quite easy for a routing algorithm detect no name streets and FIXMEs and cost them lower. Then have the UI signal you when you reach an error and let you leave a voice note for yourself to be able to correct the error later. It should also let you leave voice notes, and start recording a track, when your GPS lock is good (low HDOP) but you are not close enough to a way that it knows about. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksOfdEACgkQz+aYVHdncI0PNwCg4kwtwtLhYZqqvGdim3jh73dr 5hcAoMcPr0Lt4QnWJ3gXdPTvbKc4f86G =vLJ8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Roundabout, ways and relationship policies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Hill wrote: > * Increasingly there are roundabouts with roads running through the > middle: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.936219&lon=-1.24996&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF > The road through the middle is generally one-way though, and usually just > one road. This one has 2 dual carriageways running through it perpendicular to each other, and a third dual carriageway that ends at the roundabout: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.497691&lon=-0.45292&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpoY7MACgkQz+aYVHdncI1/6gCdHxXtffw7hx0oczaCJSH1AV9N PV4AoKuJbCL+f89fAxjeUyzWbnw//Pzg =SHzZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] English administrative divisions cleanup/fixup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Feargal Hogan wrote: > Hi > > First post to the list. > > I've been looking to get access to a set of polygons for the main English > administrative divisions. I'm not that concerned with the celtic regions for > the time being. This data <> available via ONS/OS but with licencing > restrictions. Better to use/create a free-to-use set, I thought. What do you mean "Administrative divisions"? The UK situation is really complicated. For example, if you look at this page: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2051.html The UK's entry is longer than any of the others. On the other hand, England is officially divided into 9 regions for some purposes, each of which is a collection of local authorities: * East * East Midlands * London * North East * North West * South East * South West * West Midlands * Yorkshire and the Humber Each has something around 5-10 million population. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are often added to the list directly as they are not big enough to be subdivided on that scale. > Working on the basis that I needed to create it myself, I took the list of > schools at http://www.showusabetterway.co.uk/call/data.html#schools and > matched it against the NPE postcode data. It only managed to geocode about > 5% of the schools, but it was enough for my next proof-of-concept step. > Using the data I was able to create voronoi cells for each Local Education > Authority (well each one that contained at least one postcode in the NPE > dataset). You could try searching for the schools addresses directly in namefinder. Namefinder's postcode search actually does this if there are no results in NPE - it will search google for the postcode and when it finds a result that looks like an address, it will search for that address. You may be able to locate a lot more than 5% of schools that way. Ideally, schools shuold be marked on the map. It would be interesting to produce a list of the schools that are already in OSM and compare that to your list. It would give us a list of places where the mapping is unfinished. Also it might be nice to add operator=[local authority] (or similar) tags to all the schools. Is there a standard way to combine known boundaries with voronoi analysis? I guess you could reverse the boundaries into points 10m either side of them that make a voronoi diagram reproducing the original boundary, then add those points to the schools (and any other points) before regenerating. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmauDgACgkQz+aYVHdncI1ZoACeKxy/ljAKF7D1bQAtDpY3+MFt sDsAoMbcE+MnnIJwG6BqDGA2ge03FyfL =EsO5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] URGENT: potential stand at Linux Expo Live
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 SteveC wrote: > We have potential to run a stand at > > Linux Expo Live, next week, 23rd to 25th october at Olympia > > Anyone interested? Please co-ordinate here and then nominate someone > to email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? Has anyone e-mailed him yet? Is anyone volunteering to, or shall I? I've turned the participants section of the wiki page into a table so that people can indicate which days they are free more clearly. Please check I haven't made any mistakes transcribing it: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/OSM_at_London_Linux_Expo_2008#Participants I think it would be good if we had more volunteers, especially on Saturday. You really need 2 people on a stand at events like this, and it would be good if there were more people than that so that people get a chance to have a look at other stands around the show. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkj8oZYACgkQz+aYVHdncI0ITgCgnW5lGvcf/g6uOn2+ky2IRS+v 178AoN4m3vrV+Voamb58KW1Ra6J1SuMY =n+ZM -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] URGENT: potential stand at Linux Expo Live
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 SteveC wrote: > We have potential to run a stand at > > Linux Expo Live, next week, 23rd to 25th October at Olympia > > Anyone interested? Please co-ordinate here and then nominate someone > to email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? I can help for one of the days. What about display materials? I know there was stuff printed for State of the Map - is any of that available? Will there be any internet connectivity at the event? Should we bring laptops to demo stuff? Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkj4fz4ACgkQz+aYVHdncI2JjQCgqaGdso5IITL85Yek/Y+t9PQs 5fcAoMesoeul6hmVODku9qFUCv7AL9oV =ACcc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Fwd: [geo-discuss] Ordonance Survey lobbying
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephen Coast wrote: > >>An extraordinary picture of a state body carrying out political >> lobbying on the issue of free data has emerged from documents obtained >> by the Guardian. Doesn't sound as bad as the UK Patent office lobbying for software patents to be legalised. http://eupat.ffii.org/gasnu/uk/index.en.html Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAki3/ykACgkQz+aYVHdncI0dTACgwt4QT2iLtsNGuMDMnXkh4pLE RuEAoO5DAmreqJxws5qO1onpDL+i4rL5 =qdbq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] [OSM-talk] Corporate Cartographers accused of demolishing history. (make press release?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tim Dobson wrote: > "Whereas Ordnance Survey maps were designed for the military, and > churches were added simply as useful landmarks, No one here seems to have mentioned that the reason that on-line maps aren't as good as OS maps is that OS won't give out the information (at least not at a reasonable price), so TeleAtlas, NavTeq, AND etc. have to spend millions of man hours collecting it all again, and they don't have the need to add all the bits and pieces. Hopefully once we (i.e. OSM) collect the data, it won't need to be collected again. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAki33goACgkQz+aYVHdncI0oAQCfcKlMdpCVb2vxy9Q3mg1/3gOu mtAAn2l+h6JR9ZyJN8neMI7O6fypfsR+ =xY5Q -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Garmin Serial Cable
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran Mooney wrote: > Hi, > > I have just purchased a geko 201 from Ebay, and opened the box to find > that is does not come with a cable! My own fault, I assumed that it > would come as standard. Silly me. > > Does anyone have an old garmin serial cable lying around that they > would like to sell to me? They aren't very expensive new. I got mine through ebay from a company called GPSBITZ. They have their own web site here: http://gpsbitz.co.uk/shop/ This may be what you need: http://gpsbitz.co.uk/shop/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=2 or a USB version: http://gpsbitz.co.uk/shop/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=22 Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiv7mkACgkQz+aYVHdncI3q/wCfcYOET+1lDL75Z9nZbhrl/Xo+ 6g4AoPrYjfTi6ZrLcPAo0OZwQtxAt2Z1 =Jz8H -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Routing through Oxford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Oxford is supposedly one of the better mapped cities in OSM, and looking at the map seems to agree, but a lot of problems show up when you try to route through it using Gosmore. See: http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/%7Elambertus/routing-world/?flat=51.752947&flon=-1.268004&tlat=51.750237&tlon=-1.24131&v=motorcar&fast=1 which takes many no-car roads. This one works great if you are a bus, but not a car: http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/%7Elambertus/routing-world/?flat=51.756427&flon=-1.259592&tlat=51.749679&tlon=-1.25676&v=motorcar&fast=1 I'm not sure if the errors here are more in lack of tags specifying where cars can go, or gosmore not recognising them. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkigffMACgkQz+aYVHdncI27YgCdFtoyQrTkGxBQtv566Sl7w/Rx fo0An0NzqYhAClVY0bBkcfRnwCy8EymU =H0JM -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Oxford meet-up TONIGHT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In case anyone There will be a general OSM meetup tonight at 7pm at the Jericho tavern, Oxford: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.76024&lon=-1.26654&zoom=17 We'll just be chatting about OSM and things in general. Maybe someone who was there can tell us what happened at State of the Map etc. If you don't know anyone, just look for MacBooks and GPS kit on the table to recognise us. :-) Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkh/XX0ACgkQz+aYVHdncI1dAACbBAsjm5ZOzdP1Mc/UwTaPZkac dhYAn3Km5aAsWpRuGmOYnPwE8k+kXgXV =Scnu -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Oxford meetup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Chadwick (email lists) wrote: | Richard Fairhurst wrote: |> Andrew Chadwick (list subscriptions) wrote: |> |> |> That would have been the Isis Boathouse, I think (Socks, you there?). |> Sounds good. |> |> There's a bit of an OSM tradition of going to the Jericho Tavern, too. | | I like the sound of that place (now). | | As for time, does either the 5th or the 19th of July seem OK to people? | That's admittedly one week either side of the Dublin conference. Did this happen / is it likely to happen next week? I haven't heard anything about it since this e-mail from about 6 weeks ago. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkh8x7IACgkQz+aYVHdncI3p7ACgxhF/gFFM4FlEYbDqcOgWtNLu W5sAoJqnWMCq9sqIRVZOHte6dpSHZIgo =6W35 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Over The Air mobile development conference / hackfest 4-5 April in London
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anyone thinking of going to Over The Air? http://overtheair.org/ "48 hours of mobile development organised by Mobile Monday London, hosted by Imperial College and supported by the BBC Some people are calling it hackday for mobile development, while others are simply calling it a well timed event for people interested in wireless and mobile development." It's free including staying overnight (bring a sleeping bag), paid for by Sponsors. It would be cool to have an OSM presence there - Many mobile apps need maps. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH6PSQz+aYVHdncI0RAgCxAKCe41dPt0Ao0iw4O3WcHTsBmZd1OACfUHRB HsZGmAMZdtfqDIDMEj2hKrY= =SdCV -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] London progress and unnamed roads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dave Stubbs wrote: | On Jan 31, 2008 4:03 PM, SteveC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: |> On 31 Jan 2008, at 16:02, Dave Stubbs wrote: |> |>> I was aiming more for a map of what's really there, rather than a map |>> of what's not there. |>> The tracing people haven't actually managed to do everywhere yet, so I |>> thought it gave a slightly better impression. |>> There's also the false positives, ie: residential streets that |>> actually don't have a name... in a highlight mode these become more |>> obvious than you really want them. In dehighlight mode they just |>> vanish, and you don't notice. |>> |>> I did try all residential streets with no name bright pink, but it was |>> kind of scary. |>> But there's no reason I can't do that too... I'll play with some |>> style sheets. |> Cheers - so my aim would be to clear all the unnamed roads near me, |> which somehting like I describe would be super helpful | | Not so pretty, but probably does what you want: | http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~random/progress/?region=london-highlightnoname That's really interesting. Anyone fancy writing a piece of navigation/surveying software that tries to find a near optimal route to drive past a load of unnamed roads, and makes it easy to log them, either with someone typing in the passenger seat, or by dictation (and ideally look for missing roads if there are any). You only need to drive past the end of each road, so it shouldn't involve much turning round. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHo4TPz+aYVHdncI0RAoK1AKCwuMQ4qfvzEf4UOwtve0FPEuC2oQCgs3Sz jByo6HwLmO9qexyiUk3lu/Q= =wAi3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Summer Wales Party / Isle of Wight Redux... Was: Re: Worcester
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephen Coast wrote: | So... | | In the dawn of time there was the Isle of Wight party. The one party | to rule them all | | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/WightIntro | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Isle_of_Wight_workshop_2006 | | We hired a cottage for 12 people I think it was, then we needed | additional space so hired another. | | | Why don't we do it again this summer? We'll hire one or more cottages | in central Wales, say, as a jumping off point. Main mapping weekend | but people welcome to stay the week. So | | * Where: mid wales | * When: er... summer some time | * Length: week, with main weekend | * Food: pubs, main meal, BBQs | * mapping: jumping off point for bits of wales and environs | | | If there's a positive show of hands, or +1's then I'll get everything | organised and will go for sponsorship as appropriate. I'd rather not | try to herd cats on the list in terms of dates, but ideas for | locations appreciated. How about systematically covering the UK, starting at Lands End and working East and North, either by drawing a line that runs North West / South East that shows the extent of mapped area, or by mapping all the counties along the south coast: Cornwall, Devon, Dorset, Hampshire, West Sussex, East Sussex, Kent, then working North. Either way we'll reach Scotland eventually :-) Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHiBJEz+aYVHdncI0RAq/iAJ9LoU8DLrEbI1s6I++IJPyn+EBtRACg2pd/ 5lXYJ/WXp3EvG95dVWazKNY= =zlNf -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Summer Wales Party / Isle of Wight Redux... Was: Re: Worcester
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephen Coast wrote: | On 11 Jan 2008, at 22:50, Frederik Ramm wrote: | |> Hi, | | I would go on talk-de but I wouldn't understand anything :-( | |>> PS How will we get Scotland finished? |> a. |> |> During the German summer holidays, set up a booth at the Newcastle |> ferry terminal and issue a GPS to each of them pouring out of the |> ferry and heading North ;-) |> |> b. |> |> Hold SOTM '08 at Inverness. | | That's actually a serious issue (mapping during SOTM) but I think | approximately 0 mapping was done in Manchester? If SOTM is going to be just a weekend event, then there is no time for mapping. Maybe you could do a mapping party in an area on Saturday / Sunday, then SOTM Mon-Wed, and some people could stay for the whole period, but if SOTM follows the model established in Manchester, I don't think mapping is practical. I would be interested in a North Wales mapping party as I have relatives ~ who I could stay with. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHiA59z+aYVHdncI0RAkSTAJ49F5LKEY1gppx1Dv5L6jVUKs6heACglR8W fWV94YERFUt4nOwhrtMmJug= =X997 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Oxford Xmas meetup reminder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just a quick reminder to people in or near Oxford: It's the Oxford Xmas pub meetup tonight at the Jericho Tavern at 8pm. http://oxford.openguides.org/wiki/?Jericho_Tavern http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.7602&lon=-1.26653&zoom=17 Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHZ9Ugz+aYVHdncI0RAnfGAJ9s01iwTlUh0TAHLRyN/6Jg58GzDwCgyQ5n CroStRqUGku0Bq7rgKrvBMc= =gi3h -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Oxford Xmas pub meetup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: > As there are quite a few OSM people in Oxford, some of us thought it > might be a nice idea to have a little social meet up some time before > Christmas. > > Anyone near Oxford involved in OSM is invited to tick the dates you are > free here: > http://meetomatic.com/respond.php?id=DD9L6C > > If you want to suggest a venue, (probably an Oxford city centre pub) put > it in the comments section. > > I'll announce the winning date and venue early next week. :-) The results are in. The winning day is Tuesday 18th December, and the winning venue is the Jericho Tavern. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHXWPmz+aYVHdncI0RAhxqAJwJ2aQ8jZvAkbQbBwmoACCCHCnDOACghWX7 TmQgaFahANZAUkWCBP8fHkY= =4F1P -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Oxford Xmas pub meetup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As there are quite a few OSM people in Oxford, some of us thought it might be a nice idea to have a little social meet up some time before Christmas. Anyone near Oxford involved in OSM is invited to tick the dates you are free here: http://meetomatic.com/respond.php?id=DD9L6C If you want to suggest a venue, (probably an Oxford city centre pub) put it in the comments section. I'll announce the winning date and venue early next week. :-) Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHWE2oz+aYVHdncI0RAt8sAJ9FhF4cB19p6SCgB18qRy5LSWJpCQCgrmML vyHkbfo4ay8+xUOxH1A1Ze8= =vTaL -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK administrative subdivisions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > >I'm a guest only on this list, having subscribed for the sole > purpose of asking this question but I thought it was not really > something for [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;-) > > I have extracted the following list of "second-level administrative > areas" for the UK from a data source named GADM. Each of these comes > with a bounding polygon, the license of which is a bit unclear to me > so I'd rather not import them into OSM right away, but I think it > would be ok for me to use these polygons to extract "mini planets" for > each of the areas. > > My question to you is, (a) would such "mini planets" be useful to > folks in the UK (does somebody else already do it, or does somebody > want to do it if I hand him Osmosis-compatible polygon definitions for > each of the areas?), and (b) is the list of administrative areas > below halfway sensible, or is it a mix of various levels that would > only confuse people and nobody would know where to look for his area? > > For bonus points, (c) does the list cover the whole of the UK? > > It certainly looks confusing to *me* but then I'm from the other side > of the Channel! The UK's administrative system is confusing. I have to deal with it a lot. For an illustration, see size of the UKs entry on this page, compared to all the other entries: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2051.html > It seems obvious that "Administrative Counties" and "Unitary > Authorities" are in England, "Districts" are in N.Ireland and "Unitary > Districts" as well as the island regions in Scotland. > > But is it correct that London Boroughs are on the same level as these? - From a government perspective, yes. Bear in mind that the London boroughs / regional assembly area is as big in population as the Scottish Parliament and Welsh assembly areas combined. Scottish and Welsh people (and to a lesser extent people from northern England) are always complaining about being under represented in government compared to London, but in reality, London is just a lot bigger. These areas are "second level" but there is a level between this and government, used for some purposes called a region, but they mostly don't have governments of their own (except, of course, for London, which has a regional assembly), they just act as partnerships between the authorities, or as convenient blocks for national organisations to divide their work into. When being used for the second purpose, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are usually treated on the same level as the regions. See, for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Kingdom_nations_by_population I do have a list of which authorities are in which regions, but I'll need to check copyright status, before I can post it publicly. > Is there really a difference between an "Administrative County" and a > mere "County" (as Berkshire is listed) and the three "Metropolitan > Counties" in the list, or is this some kind of data processing > artifact? Berkshire shouldn't be on the list. It's a historical county that doesn't exist any more, like Middlesex. I think there is a difference between "Administrative County" and "Metropolitan County", but it doesn't matter. > What's with Derry, listed as "London Borough (City)", I always thought > Derry was in Ireland? That's wrong, yes. The only place that should be listed as "London Borough (City)" is probably Westminster. But there is also "City of London" (next door), which is definitely a City, definitely part of London (along with the Boroughs), but is also not a London Borough as such. It's run by the "City of London Corporation" - voters include company representatives as well as residents. > And why is Kingston upon Thames listed as > "London Borough (royal)"? Because it is "Royal", but this is only a historical ceremonial thing, not practical. I thought that there were 2 other Royal Boroughs, Windsor (which is part of Berkshire) and Richmond on Thames, but Richmond isn't listed as Royal on your list. I haven't checked your list for missing entries etc. It would be sensible to compare it to the CIA list above. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHU/RSz+aYVHdncI0RAgfZAJ9rbAzy9xa7Dhhoiz6oWhX8re929wCgimGe IF5FGJwvS9OyRwkPI3e+R2U= =/Fv8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Ward boundaries from copyrighted maps
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Coast wrote: > no No to which parts? I expect you mean "No we can't use the maps", not "no the maps are not copyright". :-) I expect that the best way for us to get ward boundaries is if we ask councils for lists of roads / houses in each ward. This /should/, IMHO, be free information. I don't see that the OS can argue that information is derived from them. We can then cross survey the borders of the wards by following the roads listed. The nice side effect is that we may find some roads that we need to survey. Robert (Jamie) Munro > they're probably from > > http://www.election-maps.co.uk/ > > > On 18 Oct 2007, at 13:05, Tom Higgy wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> For my dad's campaigning for the local branch of a certain major >> political party, he has maps of local Birmingham ward boundaries. >> >> I've asked him about these and he says the maps themselves are >> copyrighted but the ward boundaries are public since "people need to >> know them." >> >> Is this true? More importantly, does getting the boundaries from these >> maps constitute a derivative work? And would these be any way round >> this? >> >> My thought was I couldn't copy directly from the maps but I could use >> them to work out what features these boundaries were on then follow >> with >> a GPS (without having map with me). >> >> Cheers, >> >> Tom. >> >> ___ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb >> > > have fun, > > SteveC | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.asklater.com/steve/ > > > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHF34Lz+aYVHdncI0RAsP8AKCGr9Hth4ydCuCwzQ314y0T6e4BlwCfXjtW lxOqtElolK25itbudWwoaM0= =Y67j -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] mapping tunnels
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: > Thom Shannon wrote: >> actually ASN looks a bit smarter than that. > >> Here's another crazy idea. Use a video camera close to the road (I have >> a bullet cam that can be mounted on a car) then pattern match the images >> to track motion (like an optical mouse does) then combine that with a >> trace from a digital compass. Then by taking gps readings at either end >> of the tunnel you can calibrate those traces to counter cumulative >> error. You should then be able to get a really accurate trace. > > You might be better off using a ordinary forwards facing camera, and > match-mover software (like boujou) that the use in movie effects to work > out the camera movement and add virtual elements. There seems to be a > free match-mover (camera tracker) package at > http://digilab.uni-hannover.de/docs/manual.html > that's probably worth a try. Sorry, that should be http://www.digilab.uni-hannover.de/docs/manual.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG/XSGz+aYVHdncI0RAu+9AKDQIT9jis8rWIbRbHFSJLJjBlbb5ACgmSbv 9ugtTPGiS5tQPjByX6m3hPY= =QN6N -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] mapping tunnels
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thom Shannon wrote: > actually ASN looks a bit smarter than that. > > Here's another crazy idea. Use a video camera close to the road (I have > a bullet cam that can be mounted on a car) then pattern match the images > to track motion (like an optical mouse does) then combine that with a > trace from a digital compass. Then by taking gps readings at either end > of the tunnel you can calibrate those traces to counter cumulative > error. You should then be able to get a really accurate trace. You might be better off using a ordinary forwards facing camera, and match-mover software (like boujou) that the use in movie effects to work out the camera movement and add virtual elements. There seems to be a free match-mover (camera tracker) package at http://digilab.uni-hannover.de/docs/manual.html that's probably worth a try. Jamie -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG/Qthz+aYVHdncI0RAte7AJwKY5HNHr2zLyzQZwkPPJxvcMbPdgCfevQY Fmfqhoy3cOEb+QY6c6QhkE4= =KFvH -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] [Fwd: Re: Speed limits]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Reading this thread, the thing that occurs to me is that every other tag in the system is based on British English, just because that's what we started with, and it would be horrible to have a mixture. Argubly, in British English (and even US English) speeds are, by default, in miles per hour. I vote that all speed limits must be clarified with a unit, either miles per hour or kilometers per hour. The remaining issue is how to mark the units. mph is well known. On weather to use kph or km/h, I don't mind, but it should be decided. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG88kBz+aYVHdncI0RAoBaAKC9kBwh+vt+egoK7woKuUrcm/oJiACg8cQI HiYaqNKBGpMGLJf+BNfjjGA= =Sx3C -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Conflicting tagging of london undergound stations
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alex Mauer wrote: > I'm assuming that the vast majority of railway=subway in the world is > below ground, You're assuming wrong. Only 45% of the London Underground is actually tunnels. The other 55% is above ground. I expect other cities are similar. > and therefore that requiring an additional tunnel=yes tag > on 90% or more of the subway ways, is not as good as treating the > below-ground portions as a lower layer (whether it's -1 or -2 or -1 > is beside the point) It might be better to abolish rail=subway and just use rail=metro. It's then obvious that you only put tunnel=yes when it is in a tunnel. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG8tJIz+aYVHdncI0RAv9yAKDKd+nZOpP7+NjrnFZN3Gc7AfOARQCfbH12 UjaDhqRIc703ogLUraC5kKo= =g624 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Conflicting tagging of london undergound stations
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nick Black wrote: > On 9/19/07, Tom Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> It should be railway=subway of course, not railway=rail. > > Not if the line isn't subterranean. I think that the whole underground system should be railway=subway, and for clarity, tunnel=yes or tunnel=no should always also be used. I guess the default assumption by renderers could be tunnel=yes, but I'm not sure. The reason is that if a renderer had a style for Subway stations, and another style for long distance rail, the whole underground should be shown as subway stations, not differently for different stations. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG8aCHz+aYVHdncI0RArUkAKDV8/Jd/GJ3JROeENwHQQsEk5UmygCgsEP9 onw2QTMn1y87QbUq8aTrKns= =af84 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] shoho - sanity check
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Coast wrote: > If all the GPS units are in $EASTERN_ACCESSION_STATE then how do > people map if 'A notepad or camera is the only thing that you need to > bring' ? > > Just checking you're really planning on aerial only :-) At the London mapping party, I mapped the sector nearest the area of that mapping party, (just across City Road) and I hardly got a GPS lock at any time during the day. But the Aerial photos + pen and paper worked great. I used my laptop on the way home to put the roads in using JOSM and free wireless on the Oxford Bus. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG3FgNz+aYVHdncI0RArzpAJ9MAO+ZFYzckAyqsy1IfJswFwcIQQCguSM0 JHGcW4kjjvlNGmThs4FGRHI= =foD8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Hindhead Tunnel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 80n wrote: > Jono > It was me. > > Yes, it really was surveyed, on foot, up to the point where there road > will enter a tunnel (which hasn't been built yet). > > The road in question will be a trunk road when its done, and it would be > nice for renderers to be able to show such roads in the appropriate > colour but with a dashed marking or something to mark it's status. > > The under-construction tag is not very satisfactory and highlights a > more general problem. How to make tags more extensible? We know two > things about this road, firstly that it will be a trunk road, and > secondly it is currently under construction. Since renderers should not > be expected to know about about tags that have not yet been invented, > the under_constuction tag is not a good solution. > > I tagged it this way and left it like that, intending to come back to it > when I had some better ideas about how to do it right. > > My current thoughts are that we need a tag like highway=construction > which can then be qualified with the ultimate class of the road if it is > known, producing highway=construction:trunk. This would not get > misinterpreted by renderers or other clients but still provide all the > information required. > > Any other ideas or suggestions? I think the right solution is to add a start_date tag with a date in the future. This way renderers can change rendering automatically when the date arrives. If you don't know the exact date, use a best guess. Date format doesn't seem to be specified. I would use -MM-DD format. Perhaps we should allow just and just -MM for cases where we don't know more accurately e.g. I know the M1 opened in 1959, but I don't know which month or day. Perhaps we could also allow clarification after the date e.g. start_date="2007-10-01 Approximately" or something. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG1LR0z+aYVHdncI0RAt1vAKC3TFFhuymgD3UWL7e6w8tq0JCXYQCdGql3 I5VlqFCH68t0fS/t3J1RD3o= =INM6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Future UK mapping parties
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> I was thinking about organising one in east London/Hackney in
> August/September. I know an excellent pub in the middle of some mostly
> whitespace that we can use as a base : free wifi, real ale; oh and it's
> the only pub to have recieved a 4-page writeup in Linux User magazine. :)
Anyone know any London Taxi drivers? They are world famous for knowing
by heart the name of every street in London ("The Knowledge"). They also
know a lot of POIs. Combined with Yahoo imagery, we should be able to
get London done without actually needing to go out.
Robert (Jamie) Munro
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Geocoder algorithm - workable? legal?
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David Earl wrote:
> I have been wondering about postcodes. We have a postal_code tag which can
> be applied to streets and it would be nice to collect these. However it is
> not something like name plates that you find in the street by observation.
> There are about 2 million postcodes in the UK, so gathering them manually
> via the freethepostcode project is hard. But using data from most other
> places is subject to copyright.
>
> But what about this as a 90% solution:
>
> (a) generate a list of potential postcodes (there are just under 50 million
> patterns of the form "[A-Z]{1,2}[0-9]{1,2} [0-9][A-Z]{2}". Unlike countries
> with numerical codes, these are quite distinctive and amenable to pattern
> matching.
There's a few that go outside that pattern and have an extra letter on
the beginning of the first half. SW1A 1AA is the postcode of Buckingham
Palace, W1A 1AA is BBC Broadcasting House. SW1W also exists as a prefix.
I expect there are more. A corrected pattern is:
"[A-Z]{1,2}[0-9][0-9A-Z]{0,1} [0-9][A-Z]{2}"
There's also a few extra weird cases like GIR 0AA for Girobank, one for
Gibraltar, and some for other UK dependent islands, but they probably
don't matter because they aren't connected directly to streets.
I'm not sure why we have to generate and store the whole list. That just
seems like a huge waste of time and disc space. Surely we only need to
store postcodes we know something about. Allocate searches by whole
prefix, not by
> (b) enumerate streets in the UK from OSM(1) and determine what place they
> are "near" in the UK(2) (e.g. gives us "Hinton Road, Fulbourn" among many
> others)
>
> (c) do an automated web search on the street. The hits will nearly always(3)
> contain a result which includes one or more addresses in the summary (no
> need to go further). Do a pattern match which is restrictive enough to
> determine the postcode(s) for the address in the sought street, but general
> enough to cope with some variability (punctuation, skipping suburbs and
> counties in the address and so on)
>
> (d) look up the pattern-matched code from (c) in our table from (a) and fill
> in against it the lat/lon derived from (b). Take the postcode from our table
> and apply it to the postal_code tag in OSM for the street.
> There is a danger that repeated automatic web searches might be autodetected
> by the G company or whoever and one's IP blocked as a result. However it
> could be done over a longish period of time (a month, say, so the search
> rate is low and spread across many volunteers. And as new streets appear
> they can be added incrementally - a much lower search volume.
Use Google's official API. This has a limit on search volume. Write the
scripts to match that volume.
Something I just tried was searching for a postcode prefix - e.g. OX1.
This returned several results with second half postcodes in, some with
addresses, some without. This may be a way to find lots of postcodes.
Legally, IANAL. I know that the post office won't like it, and will
probably tell you that it is illegal. That doesn't mean they are right.
Robert (Jamie) Munro
P.s. I have used roughly the above method manually to search for some
places near where I live, and add them to NPEmaps.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Virtual place mapping 'party'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Earl wrote: > As I was filling using the NPE maps to confirm some details recently I found > myself adding one or two places which had been missed, and then checking > others for name and is_in, and I wondered about this: [snip] > What do people think? Shall I set up a wiki page to allocate squares? It sounds like a good idea for a custom tool. If someone can query the database for a list of places already in OSM, then overlay them on NPE, with a click-to-add place mechanism, that would be a great thing. It would take much longer in JOSM or whatever because you can't download large areas in one go. The tool would also be more accurate because it could work in OSGB projection - JOSM doesn't do the translation properly, so the NPE maps get much less accurate as you move away from London. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGSwdoz+aYVHdncI0RAqUjAJ0Shfs1j/VSLGzaPUeciBEzUiDbvACg/JJD cfOjxJhGXMStjJ5l16DG1gs= =amLk -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK dev day - Saturday 5th May
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Hi all, > > I have as yet been unable to find a venue for the development day on > Saturday 5th May. :( > > Needs to accommodate six or so OSM hackers and have broadband (ideally > wifi). South/Midlands and easily accessible by train would be helpful. > > Can anyone help? I've just got confirmation of booking St Aldate's conference room. Sorry, they took a while to respond. It's at 40 Pembroke Street: http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=6755149.43802&lon=-139972.88905&zoom=16&layers=B000 Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGL4K4z+aYVHdncI0RAlmCAKD0Nj0Jihg/xa1sPyVqs8/C2iC6QACaAwq5 iGR/qTns84e5LGJRNV4vPPI= =JE8D -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
