[Talk-GB] Fwd: [OSM Fork] Dealing with OSM Remappers and odbl Blackmailers in Europe
Hi, as Mike said, Any edits that are on the chopping block to be deleted, if you create a list of those contributors, then over on the fosm.org side, those edits can be saved. cheers, Sam -- Forwarded message -- From: Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 15:59:40 +0100 Subject: Re: [OSM Fork] Dealing with OSM Remappers and odbl Blackmailers in Europe To: osm-f...@googlegroups.com Hi there, if you provide us with a list of people to block we will block them from the sync. your data is not lost, we can reimport the older versions as well. mike On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Georg Schmitt georgschmit...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi there, I'm an osm member from Germany, who did not yet agree to those contributor terms and that new license. I'm thinking more and more about decling and leaving the project, because they keep spamming me with messages threatening to delete the data which I contributed, in case that I do not agree. I feel like being blackmailed. It's like Give your work away to some people, I dont know, or we will destroy your work! They do not only threaten to do this, but they are already stealing or destroying my work and that from other mappers. Sometimes they just copypaste streets and upload them as their work and sometimes they just delete streets or the names, max speed, sources, and other properties. It makes me sad when I see how my hard work is thrown away. I thought that my work would be safe at fosm when I heard about it. But I have looked at your data and I was shocked. My work and that of others has been stolen or destroyed in fosm too. I do not want to have to do the whole work again because some self declared cleaners throw away everything that I have mapped. I have read that you want to stop osm members deleting data in Australia, but what do you want to do about the rest of the world? - Georg -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org -- --- Across Canada Trails - Beyond 2017 - The National Trails Network Victoria, BC Canada Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: 'Sam Vekemans' Member, CommonMap Inc. http://commonmap.org/ IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #CommonMap Also find us on Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Fwd: [OSM Fork] Dealing with OSM Remappers and odbl Blackmailers in Europe
cool, Just forwarding your idea to the osm-fork mailing list. re: a list of changesets that are to be removed, as there is a place for all of the removed data to be added to. cheers, Sam On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 01/08/2012 06:22 PM, Sam Vekemans wrote: Any edits that are on the chopping block to be deleted, if you create a list of those contributors, then over on the fosm.org side, those edits can be saved. It might make sense to do this on a per-changeset rather than per-user basis. I, for example, have started to ODbL-clean my area, but that doesn't mean everything I do is of no value to a CC-BY-SA fork. Maybe if everyone who does ODbL cleanup uses a special keyword or tag in their changeset descriptions, then FOSM could copy over only the stuff not so tagged. Personally I'm not involved with FOSM and I don't plan to be, but I see absolutely no reason to harm their project out of spite, and if all it takes to help them make better use of my edits is placing or not placing a specific changeset tag, I would gladly do that. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 __**_ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-gbhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey Opendata recent releases
Cool! I from looking at whats available, I grabbed a random spot / tile area from the os vectormap http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/products/vectormap/district/docs/feature_code_list_v1-0.pdf I'll be cross-referencing these map features with the other features around the planet. Does anyone have a list / chart for what OSM tags were chosen for the conversion script? Thanks, Sam On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Robert Scott li...@humanleg.org.uk wrote: On Thursday 25 November 2010, Bunny wrote: The latest release of OS Streetview® is now available 1/11/10 The November release of OS LocatorTM is now available 16/11/10 The November release of Code-Point Open is now available 18/11/10 See: http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/opendata/ Excellent! Thanks for the reminder. robert. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway cycle route
Ok cool, so i can pretend that 'route=recreation' exists and that it renders at the same zoom level as NCN and that is purpose is to map signed recreation routes that are NOT road cycling designated. And specicially for nationally confusing trails, such as the 'Trans Canada Trail'. I'll work on some documentation on the wiki (if its not done already) Athough 'NSN' National Smooth Network' gets my vote :-) cheers, Sam On 5/11/10, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Richard Fairhurst wrote: Serious Cyclists... Oh, yes, your absolutely right. If you've got panniers attached you _must_ be so much more serious than anybody else. (Cycling Active magazine keeps running features on it) but no-one else has ever even heard of it. That says more about the magazine its minimal clique readership. -- I agree it needs a separate designation. Dave F. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway cycle route
Ok, so route=leisure; bicycle=designated rendering of brown at the same zoomlevels of NCN, would work awesome for the OCM fill the gaps :-) I can add 'network=nsn' for National Smooth/(sport) Network. Maybe? So my own rendering would pick it up for the dogsledding/canoes / rolerbladers that can unicyclers on a surf board - with detachable wheels for the Trans Canada Trail users. Cheers, Sam On 5/8/10, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: On 08/05/2010 12:08, Sam Vekemans wrote: +101 for rendering it brown, so its different than NCN, RCN, LCN I can use it promote it for the 'Trans Canada Trail' as a 'exact definition' as a leasure route with 'cycling being 1 activity, but not designated for that 1 activity' mountain biking / road cycling / hiking / ATV /canoeing /motercycle /dogsled differences are 'purposly blured' -the actual activities are signposted. And the ways would very, depending on the ground truths. Thinking a bit further: At present we have three types of rendered cycle route: NCN, RCN and LCN. Really, the National Byway is a fourth category: a leisure/touring route. There are lots of these in OSM at the moment, but generally tagged as LCN (for example, the Four Castles Cycle Route in Monmouthshire, or a number around Cheshire). This is pretty unsatisfactory, as Local Cycle Networks are generally utility commuter routes. So my suggestion would be that we choose a new relation tag for this type of route. It's not a 'network' as such, so that doesn't work. But you could perhaps do 'route=leisure' and 'bicycle=designated' or something, for those who like 'designated'. Then renderers like OCM can treat this as they wish. cheers Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Announce: OpenOS
But actually we already have a Dev.osm server API that people use for samples, this maybe could be called OpenImportMap.org? and a WMS can be created in the same way that mapnik is, and it could be traced over by the community on the main OSM API. Cool, Sam On 3/27/10, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: As you've probably heard the Ordnance Survey is going to open some data next week. We don't exactly know what data or what license it will be under but there's a reasonable chance it won't be importable in to OSM because either the data will be low scale or released with an incompatible license. If that's the case then I propose we start, separate from OSM, an OpenOS project. I basically see it as either a clearinghouse for putting up converted formats for the data and/or a full OSM stack, mapnik, potlatch and all for editing and fixing it. Because as Russ Nelson keeps saying, datasets without a community are dead. I propose that until we know it's compatible, usable and so on in OSM that no OSM resources are spent/used on something like this. Thus, I've bought the domain openos.co.uk to host it and set up a google group which you're welcome to join to help discuss what to do if/when we get some data. I think this data will need a community, tools and editing and who better to build all that than people from OSM? Thoughts? http://groups.google.com/group/open-os http://openos.co.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] [OSM-talk] Announce: OpenOS
Hi, i wrote in-line On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 8:36 AM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.comwrote: On 27 March 2010 16:17, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: But actually we already have a Dev.osm server API that people use for samples, this maybe could be called OpenImportsMap.org? The purpose of dev is a little different, people test new tools there and do that often by adding nonsensical data or deleting a random piece. I do remember on the IRC someone recommending to a newbie to 'let their kids go nuts' over on the dev API. (perhaps that wasn't the best recommendation, teaching the kid that is a group of volunteers who take pride in quality work would probably have been better). For your clearinghouse you want something where data doesn't disappear for no reason. Which is an expansion of OpenOS to include the world, so this would be a place to host the entire Import catelogue (which BTW, that top header should be BOLDED a little more) IMO. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue From my example, I would need to be careful and only put in the data that is intended to be used. ie. if a road network is available from 3 different sources (national canvec nts size geobase province size provincial Ontario separate dataset) we would want to make sure that the best version is available. Ideally, this is also a good home to store the entire CanVec/ TIGER / LINZ / OS etc..dataset (of all features). ... So then it can: 1 - be updated all the time with the latest data (as new datasets become available, that precious (or precarious) UUID is kept nice and clean) 2 - it can be converted to a WMS (of the complete set available to anyone at any time) 3 - source shp files could be kept? (or just converted to .osm as soon as its available from the source, if not available in real-time... but ogr2osm could be programmed with a script to be run to check the source for changes convert as changes happen from the data source (checking source file update-date file size) 3 - and it can be all converted to .gpx (for if it isn't available as a WMS) so people can trace over the geometry (in the regular OSM environment) 4 - and have it as an (ugly) mapnik/osmarender/special_mix map tiles can be rendered and shown. .. not pritty because we dont want to encourage editing of the this database. 5 - ... and doesn't interfere with the community work. 6 - ... and doesn't require people to 'claim' areas they are working on eg1 (as in Canada we are 'claiming NTS tiles on a Google docs chart, eg2 in Haiti the Hospital POIs were organized on a GoogleDocs chart with access by invite (which was frustrating for mappers, as it became a separate project, that always has to keep up) (ketchup and muster) ... keeping the playground separate is requested many times over. eg3 and other countries 'claim areas' using a wikitable. (and requires users to 'claim' that part of the file/file slice or geographic region) eg4 or some other like Coraine with a dedicated website hosting it all (like OpenStreetBugs). ...[1] These these methods currently in use are fine for an overview, but not for the details as it cannot keep up, and actually destroys communities (yes destroys). Since the entire community is not on the talk@ lists, or IRC's they dont know what's going on cant help in real-time, where as a 'OpenImportsMap' WMS Layer[2] or pulling data from a different API[3] or pulling GPX from a different API would solve this and keep the community) i could continue on for days but wont. :0) (I cc'd the imports@ list and talk-us@ list and talk-ca@ list and the New Zealand list (as they are currently in the planning stage of LINZ data. Sorry, i just cant handle another discussion list :-) Thanks to that user for sharing the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Importing_Government_Data page on that journal entry yesterday :-) ... i'll edit it and talk about canvec a bit there. (instead of making a new essay, i'll do that on a blog instead) Cheers, Sam [1] the OpenImportsMap idea is a derivative / spin-off from the Corrine import process (but on a much larger planet size scale) [2] http://wms.openstreetmap.de/ already exists and is a holding house for the WMS layers to be used. the all could technically be combined in to 1 large WMS feed (as a few countries are now listed) [3] the dev server is like these ones http://apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/ ... where is says 'as a data sandbox', the idea here is to designate a 'sandbox' for all of the data that is available to import. (or has already been imported the latest data can be 'imported' into this new sandbox and replace the old sand.' ... and the 'sand' is the entire world (made up of little nodes). I also have some huge datasets that I'd like to put somewhere with API access that isn't the main database, one is an import ongoing for two years already, the other is a dataset I vectorised but can't use it in OSM because I'm
Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-transit] NaPTAN - Time for the rest?
Can a WMS tileserver.map be generated (from the source shp files)? This can be used as another option for the community to make use of the data. Thanks, Sam On 3/16/10, Oliver O'Brien m...@oliverobrien.co.uk wrote: Great idea - I've put together just such a visualisation, have a look at: http://gibin.geog.ucl.ac.uk/~ollie/lonelybuses/ At z12 it's generated on-demand so might be a bit slow in places. I've used 30m as the cut-off distance between the busstops and the centreline of any kind of highway. Ollie Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:06:22 -0700 From: Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com If there are potentially lots of areas, then I'm wondering if there is a way to visualise these unmapped places. Search for bus stops where no highway=* within some distance of them? Maybe the distance would be the NaPTAN accuracy plus a few metres. This would either make a good list, or the bus stops could be displayed as large red dots on the no-names layer. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
