Re: [Talk-GB] A431 toll road (going a bit OT)
On 05/08/2014 15:00, Curon Davies wrote: On 5 August 2014 14:25, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com mailto:dave...@madasafish.com wrote: One reason I haven't added it is because it's illegal (AFAIK. The owners of the land local councillor failed to reply to my tweets) definitely has no planning permission. The development isn't illegal, there is no criminal offence (AFAIK), on the other hand it is unlawful. a) Semantics b) Isn't there a statute law which says 'you can't build or open a road without authorisation'? They have produced no proof it's been constructed to DfT/HA standards. AFAIK roads only need to be constructed to this standard if the road is to be adopted, there are numerous developments where the road isn't built to standard, yet they are still mapped on OSM. AFAIK adoption is only the transfer of responsibility for maintenance i.e. from the building contractor to the local municipal authority. The roads, depending on there usage, have to be constructed to various standards. I can't imagine the M6 toll was allowed to get away with rolling out just 150mm thick layer of compacted hardcore. Insurance (all parties) is unclear possibly suspect. Another reason is I don't map everybody's private drive way. Although questionable, the road is opperated by KELSTON TOLL ROAD LIMITED, and therefore would require public liability insurance. Getting insurance is dead easy. These companies love being given money for old rope, (think of extended warranties for your big screen TV). Receiving a payout is another matter. Will _your_ policy compensate if you hit another vehicle on an unlawful road? Dave F. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] A431 toll road (going a bit OT)
I would hope so, for anyone who has ever been to a village fete and parked in the farmers field. Getting insurance is dead easy. These companies love being given money for old rope, (think of extended warranties for your big screen TV). Receiving a payout is another matter. Will _your_ policy compensate if you hit another vehicle on an unlawful road? Dave F. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] A431 toll road (going a bit OT)
On 11/08/14 10:33, Dave F. wrote: On 05/08/2014 15:00, Curon Davies wrote: On 5 August 2014 14:25, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com mailto:dave...@madasafish.com wrote: One reason I haven't added it is because it's illegal (AFAIK. The owners of the land local councillor failed to reply to my tweets) definitely has no planning permission. The development isn't illegal, there is no criminal offence (AFAIK), on the other hand it is unlawful. a) Semantics b) Isn't there a statute law which says 'you can't build or open a road without authorisation'? It seems to me that this is being driven by one particular application of the map, motor vehicle routing. The road exists. It is possible to get permission to use it if you are under 3.5T. Therefore I would say that something like this is valid: highway=unclassified; motor_vehicles=yes/permissive; hgv=no; fee=yes is necessary. If that results in routing applications using it in a way that voids insurance, maybe add something like mib_approved=no. Buildings certainly should still be mapped, even if they don't have planning permission (four years for construction and 10 for use are more permanent than most shop tenancies). Settlements should be mapped, even if some other country disputes their legality. More generally, though, it is dangerous for something like OSM to claim authority on the legal status of any object. Locally, you put yourself at risk of being sued when you turn out to be wrong. Internationally, it increases the pressure to ban it from countries involved with border disputes. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
