[Talk-GB] Follow up : Hampshire Rights of Way Data released under OS OpenData licence
Hi Nick, All, Has any contact been made with either Ordnance Survey or Hampshire CC to get clarity on the use of the Hampshire OS OpenData? Recap of the Issue: * Hampshire CC : The data has been published as Open Data under the Ordnance Survey Open Data Licence. Here the use of Open Data seems to be an internal term that Hants CC use [1]. To me this appears to suggest that they have contacted Ordnance Survey to check that they can release the data and OS came back with the suggestion that they use the OS Open Data Licence (it is clear that the rights of way are not derived from OS OpenData as the resolution is too high - i.e. very zoomed in) * The OS OpenData licence [2] states that it governs access to the data on OS's website. The Hampshire data is not on the OS website. This wording therefore looks bad but does it, in itself, prevent use of the data in OSM? * Ordnance Survey: Have stated that they have no objections to geodata derived in part from OS OpenData being released under the Open Database License 1.0. Thus: If we take the Ordnance Surveys response to mean they have 'no objections to geodata derived in part from OS OpenData LICENSED DATA being released under the Open Database License 1.0.' then we are okay. But, it this one step too far? Alternatively, we go back to Hampshire and get them to confirm that we can add this to OSM. We can use OS's quote as supporting evidence. Regards, RobJN [1] http://www3.hants.gov.uk/opendata.htm [2] http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/docs/licences/os-opendata-licence.pdf ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Follow up : Hampshire Rights of Way Data released under OS OpenData licence
On 8 June 2012 16:27, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: Recap of the Issue: * Hampshire CC : The data has been published as Open Data under the Ordnance Survey Open Data Licence. Here the use of Open Data seems to be an internal term that Hants CC use [1]. To me this appears to suggest that they have contacted Ordnance Survey to check that they can release the data and OS came back with the suggestion that they use the OS Open Data Licence (it is clear that the rights of way are not derived from OS OpenData as the resolution is too high - i.e. very zoomed in) * The OS OpenData licence [2] states that it governs access to the data on OS's website. The Hampshire data is not on the OS website. This wording therefore looks bad but does it, in itself, prevent use of the data in OSM? * Ordnance Survey: Have stated that they have no objections to geodata derived in part from OS OpenData being released under the Open Database License 1.0. Thus: If we take the Ordnance Surveys response to mean they have 'no objections to geodata derived in part from OS OpenData LICENSED DATA being released under the Open Database License 1.0.' then we are okay. But, it this one step too far? As things stand, the license we are being offered the data under is not compatible with ODbL. And I don't think we can assume that the special permission we have to use OS OpenData would cover this additional data -- as you say the HCC data isn't derived from OS OpenData, and in any case it's HCC offering the licence not OS, so technically we've got no right to employ our special permission from OS without HCC's approval. In short, I don't think we can rely on second-guessing what either Hampshire CC or OS mean here with the license, and hence we will need to clarify things with HCC and possibly OS too before we can make use of the data. Interestingly, of all the datasets listed at http://www3.hants.gov.uk/opendata/datasets.htm , the public rights of way data is the only one not released under the vanilla OGL license. This would suggest to me that they are aware of some rights OS has in the data, and OS requested they use OS's license. If that's the case I think it's likely that HCC and OS would agree to us using the data, if we're able to ask them. Robert. -- Robert Whittaker ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Follow up : Hampshire Rights of Way Data released under OS OpenData licence
Hello Rob, (and all) I've emailed the Hants CC guy once - he was away so the email bounced. I've emailed him again tonight. Nick -Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: - To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org, nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk, legal-t...@openstreetmap.org From: Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com Date: 08/06/2012 04:27PM Subject: Follow up : Hampshire Rights of Way Data released under OS OpenData licence Hi Nick, All, Has any contact been made with either Ordnance Survey or Hampshire CC to get clarity on the use of the Hampshire OS OpenData? Recap of the Issue: * Hampshire CC : The data has been published as Open Data under the Ordnance Survey Open Data Licence. Here the use of Open Data seems to be an internal term that Hants CC use [1]. To me this appears to suggest that they have contacted Ordnance Survey to check that they can release the data and OS came back with the suggestion that they use the OS Open Data Licence (it is clear that the rights of way are not derived from OS OpenData as the resolution is too high - i.e. very zoomed in) * The OS OpenData licence [2] states that it governs access to the data on OS's website. The Hampshire data is not on the OS website. This wording therefore looks bad but does it, in itself, prevent use of the data in OSM? * Ordnance Survey: Have stated that they have no objections to geodata derived in part from OS OpenData being released under the Open Database License 1.0. Thus: If we take the Ordnance Surveys response to mean they have 'no objections to geodata derived in part from OS OpenData LICENSED DATA being released under the Open Database License 1.0.' then we are okay. But, it this one step too far? Alternatively, we go back to Hampshire and get them to confirm that we can add this to OSM. We can use OS's quote as supporting evidence. Regards, RobJN [1] http://www3.hants.gov.uk/opendata.htm [2] http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/docs/licences/os-opendata-licence.pdf ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Follow up : Hampshire Rights of Way Data released under OS OpenData licence
On 08/06/12 17:30, Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: And I don't think we can assume that the special permission we have to use OS OpenData would cover this additional data [...] It has been repeated many times on these lists, by a very small number of people, that we have 'special permission' to use OS OpenData. This is not true. I have checked the process that the LWG went through and there was *no* special permission given. Ordnance Survey confirmed: The Ordnance Survey has no objections to geodata derived in part from OS OpenData being released under the Open Database License 1.0. This is not special permission. If there was special permission there would be something in writing to the effect We (OS) grant You (OSM) permission or somesuch and this does not exist. Please stop repeating that we have special permission, we are simply using the the OS OpenData under their licence and OS confirmed that that is acceptable, as almost everyone who considered the situation thought at the time. -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
