Re: [Talk-GB] Free National Grid Vector Layers for gas and electricity?
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Chris Hill chillly...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Yes, I read their TCs but it never hurts to actually ask, they might just grant us the right to use their data. It doesn't cost much to ask. Absolutely, and it's a good attitude to just plough on and ask. But I'll give good odds on it being OS derived :-) Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Free National Grid Vector Layers for gas and electricity?
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, Donald Allwright wrote: It would seem that being used as a basis for just about everything means that no-one else can ever use those data without paying the OS a fee. Must be a nice little earner for them. Of course OpenStreetMap imposes similar restrictions, except that paying a fee is replaced with the far less onerous requirement for derived works to be CC-BY-SA licensed. (Ignoring the issues to do with why we need to change the licence for now). Whether or not the CC-BY-SA requirement is less onerous rather depends on what you're doing with the data. I haven't looked at any OS licence conditions, but I imagine that if you derive your data from OS maps, then you can probably combine your data with another commercial map so long as you continue paying OS a licence fee. On the other hand, data derived from OSM must be CC-BY-SA and combining it with any commercial map would create a derived work which would need to be CC-BY-SA - it's unlikely that the commercial map supplier is going to allow this. Also, I suspect that selling maps is a nice little earner for people such as the land registry, so licensing them all as CC-BY-SA isn't in their interest (as much as it may be in the tax payer's interest). - Steve xmpp:st...@nexusuk.org sip:st...@nexusuk.org http://www.nexusuk.org/ Servatis a periculum, servatis a maleficum - Whisper, Evanescence ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Free National Grid Vector Layers for gas and electricity?
Also, I suspect that selling maps is a nice little earner for people such as the land registry, so licensing them all as CC-BY-SA isn't in their interest (as much as it may be in the tax payer's interest). And that, I believe, is the crux of the problem. The people who get to decide have a vested interest, which definitely isn't aligned with the interests of those who pay. Donald ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Free National Grid Vector Layers for gas and electricity?
Peter Miller wrote: A nice friendly person in the GIS business has just pointed this site out to me. They described it as a 'free' national grid vector layers and it certainly looks as though one can download shape files for gas pipes, electricity lines and the like. I am not sure what they mean by 'free' though and can't find a license page. Anyone fancy looking into whether we can use it or not? http://www.nationalgrid.com/uk/LandandDevelopment/DDC/GasElectricNW/undergroundcables/shape/ Yeah, I'll see what they say. Cheers, Chris ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Free National Grid Vector Layers for gas and electricity?
Ron Wellsted wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Hill wrote: Peter Miller wrote: A nice friendly person in the GIS business has just pointed this site out to me. They described it as a 'free' national grid vector layers and it certainly looks as though one can download shape files for gas pipes, electricity lines and the like. I am not sure what they mean by 'free' though and can't find a license page. Anyone fancy looking into whether we can use it or not? http://www.nationalgrid.com/uk/LandandDevelopment/DDC/GasElectricNW/undergroundcables/shape/ Yeah, I'll see what they say. Cheers, Chris I would have thought their site Terms Conditions exclude the use by OSM, specifically: You agree not for yourself or through or by way of assistance to any third party to distribute, decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble or otherwise deal in or with the Website or materials therein or otherwise commercially exploit such material or content otherwise than as permitted by law. see http://www.nationalgrid.com/corporate/leg Yes, I read their TCs but it never hurts to actually ask, they might just grant us the right to use their data. It doesn't cost much to ask. Chris ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
