Re: [Talk-GB] Govt should pressure Google to release data
Hi Gregory, Leigh has expanded a bit on twitter: https://twitter.com/ldodds/status/1066233917722845184 I think their argument is that some big tech companies are already sharing back (e.g. into OSM) and this should be seen as the standard approach. This becomes particularly true when big tech has used crowd sourcing to build their data for free. It is also an aspiration to avoid duplication of work so that we get to the stage where we unlock the benefits of geospatial data sooner (they're thinking autonomous vehicles, etc). Problem is that there is potential to commercialise data here. So first steps could be releasing data where the commercial value is low yet there is still a public benefit. I think ODI are true to their strategy: advocate greater availability of open data for public good by asking big tech not to hoard data that can be released - starting with data of low commercial value but high public value. Data on wheelchair accessibility is given as an example. Best regards, *Rob* ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Govt should pressure Google to release data
On 26/11/2018 12:07, Gregory Marler wrote: The ODI have called on the government to pressure Google, Uber, Apple into releaseing "mapping data" https://theodi.org/article/we-call-on-the-government-to-work-with-google-apple-and-uber-to-publish-more-map-data-and-support-the-uks-emerging-technologies/ This got a fair amount of media attention last week in the Financial Times and other places. My reaction was a bit confused... Mapping data = location of things? Don't need it, as Sir Tim Bernes-Lee (ODI co-founder) already sings the praises of OpenStreetMap. Open data at Ordnance Survey is also getting better (I thought we/ODI we focusing on improving that, we all know govt could do better). I think it's badly headlined, and badly reported. If you read the ODI's actual submission to the consultation, what they are actually calling for is for government agencies and contractors to release more data under OGL or compatible licences. In particular, things like USRNs, UPRNs, TOIDs, INSPIRE IDs, etc. The ODI's argument is that the lack of open data makes it difficult, if not impossible, for start-ups and other SMEs to compete with the giants (such as Google and Apple), as they do not have the resources to generate their own geospatial data and both the costs and conditions of licensing non-free data makes it impractical for them to use. I entirely agree with that, and I would hope that the OSM community does, too. Mark ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Govt should pressure Google to release data
The ODI have called on the government to pressure Google, Uber, Apple into releaseing "mapping data" https://theodi.org/article/we-call-on-the-government-to-work-with-google-apple-and-uber-to-publish-more-map-data-and-support-the-uks-emerging-technologies/ This got a fair amount of media attention last week in the Financial Times and other places. My reaction was a bit confused... Mapping data = location of things? Don't need it, as Sir Tim Bernes-Lee (ODI co-founder) already sings the praises of OpenStreetMap. Open data at Ordnance Survey is also getting better (I thought we/ODI we focusing on improving that, we all know govt could do better). Mapping data = user data, like current traffic locations or insights into journeys people take? This would be amazing to get. But the companies won't give it away if you ask nicely, it's potentially their most valuable asset besides giving away the actual users. The govt can't control that, unless it was part of an existing agreement (i.e. bike share schemes, or taxis). The article/press release disappoints me, it feels like a waste of media attention. It possibly even dilutes the other messages of the ODI and it's founders. What do the rest of you think? -- Gregory Marler i...@nomoregrapes.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com http://www.nomoregrapes.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
