Re: [Talk-GB] Inland Border Facilities

[Brian Prangle]

Thinking more about this  these new facilities are really  road transport
logistics hubs which are needed for the purposes of checking brexit customs
paperwork and easing bottlenecks at ports so perhaps landuse=commercial
operator=HMRC (and DEFRA where appropriate).It might also be worthwhile to
differentiate between outbound only hubs (like Birmingham Airport) and
inbound/outbound ones and inbound only,

On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 14:53, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB <
talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

>
>
>
> Dec 6, 2020, 15:05 by sk53@gmail.com:
>
> I was wondering if there were any equivalents elsewhere.
>
> Closest I can think of is this location
> 
> between Feldkirch & Bludenz, which although described as a goods vehicle
> checkpoint from my personal experience is also operated as in internal
> custom checkpoint (and therefore amenity=police might be wrong too). As a
> group travelling from Zurich to Soelden many of us were stopped for a
> passport/car check. A friend who worked in marketing for BAT was driving a
> company van, and was hugely amused at the idea that smuggling cigarettes
> from Switzerland to Austria might be a way of making money.
>
> Close to the Poland/Belarus borders there are Border Guard
>  stations, such as this
> one . I think these are
> mainly concerned with immigration rather customs. Certainly if travelling
> in a car with non-local numberplates one can be expected to stopped &
> documents checked (first time was stressful as unexpected & about 5:30 in
> the morning).
>
> Looking at description in Polish it seems to be about handling smuggling
> and illegal migration,
> not about handling customs of legally traveling cargo (AFAIK it would
> happen at border crossing,
> such as https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.47616/23.35744 ).
>
> BTW, it should be probably tagged as police-type force, not as
> military-type force.
>
> On their website they imply that they enforce ban on presence on part of a
> border
> ("od znaku granicznego nr 303 do znaku granicznego nr 317 wprowadzono zakaz
> przebywania na pasie drogi granicznej").
>
> Even traditional land borders with heavy duty border controls don't seem
> to be tagged in an obvious way:
>
> For example see
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/700736522#map=16/52.4744/23.3651
> 
> - just fence mapped and some objects inside, no tag for the entire feature
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Re: [Talk-GB] Inland Border Facilities

[Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB]

Dec 6, 2020, 15:05 by sk53@gmail.com:

> I was wondering if there were any equivalents elsewhere. 
>
> Closest I can think of is > this location 
> >  between 
> Feldkirch & Bludenz, which although described as a goods vehicle checkpoint 
> from my personal experience is also operated as in internal custom checkpoint 
> (and therefore amenity=police might be wrong too). As a group travelling from 
> Zurich to Soelden many of us were stopped for a passport/car check. A friend 
> who worked in marketing for BAT was driving a company van, and was hugely 
> amused at the idea that smuggling cigarettes from Switzerland to Austria 
> might be a way of making money.
>
> Close to the Poland/Belarus borders there are > Border Guard 
> >  stations, such as > 
> this one > . I think these are 
> mainly concerned with immigration rather customs. Certainly if travelling in 
> a car with non-local numberplates one can be expected to stopped & documents 
> checked (first time was stressful as unexpected & about 5:30 in the morning).
>
Looking at description in Polish it seems to be about handling smuggling and 
illegal migration,
not about handling customs of legally traveling cargo (AFAIK it would happen at 
border crossing,
such as https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.47616/23.35744 ).

BTW, it should be probably tagged as police-type force, not as military-type 
force.

On their website they imply that they enforce ban on presence on part of a 
border
("od znaku granicznego nr 303 do znaku granicznego nr 317 wprowadzono zakaz
przebywania na pasie drogi granicznej").


> Even traditional land borders with heavy duty border controls don't seem to 
> be tagged in an obvious way:
>
For example see 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/700736522#map=16/52.4744/23.3651 

- just fence mapped and some objects inside, no tag for the entire feature
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Re: [Talk-GB] Inland Border Facilities

[SK53]

I was wondering if there were any equivalents elsewhere.

Closest I can think of is this location
 between
Feldkirch & Bludenz, which although described as a goods vehicle checkpoint
from my personal experience is also operated as in internal custom
checkpoint (and therefore amenity=police might be wrong too). As a group
travelling from Zurich to Soelden many of us were stopped for a
passport/car check. A friend who worked in marketing for BAT was driving a
company van, and was hugely amused at the idea that smuggling cigarettes
from Switzerland to Austria might be a way of making money.

Close to the Poland/Belarus borders there are Border Guard
 stations, such as this
one . I think these are mainly
concerned with immigration rather customs. Certainly if travelling in a car
with non-local numberplates one can be expected to stopped & documents
checked (first time was stressful as unexpected & about 5:30 in the
morning).

In Argentinian Patagonia, and probably elsewhere in the country, police
checkpoints exist as one exits more populated areas. These seem to mainly
involve checking of identity documents, but may involve other things. These
seem to be mapped as police stations, e.g., on the edge of Ushuaia
.

Only the first may bear any resemblance to the UK Inland Border sites, and
the existing mapping is little help. Even traditional land borders with
heavy duty border controls don't seem to be tagged in an obvious way:
Poland/Belarus

outside Brest Litovsk; San Sebastian
 (AR side), San
Sebastian  (CL
side). The tag barrier=border_control may be fine for light weight ones
such as the skilifts in Ischgl
 or the US/Canadian
border  at
Aldergrove, but I suspect we could do with a tag for the whole area
(amenity=customs is potentially only part of it).

Jerry

On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 11:36, Brian Prangle  wrote:

> I've just mapped the one at Birmingham Airport- construction site only so
> far. There are several on the go . Is
> anyone up to date on mapping the others? What should they be tagged as when
> they are operational?
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
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[Talk-GB] Inland Border Facilities

[Brian Prangle]

I've just mapped the one at Birmingham Airport- construction site only so
far. There are several on the go . Is
anyone up to date on mapping the others? What should they be tagged as when
they are operational?

Regards

Brian
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